Bluemour Discussion Thread XVI - Facts Not Welcome

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There are other assets we could use if Bont wanted in, namely picks.
There's no way we could trade for a contracted Bont without including a promising young player at a minimum. Of course that may be the very reason some wouldn't do it, which is fine, however picks alone wouldn't be enough, and that is before even taking into account that we won't have a top 10 pick.
 
What I like about TDK is this;

Even if he never becomes a terrific tap ruck-man, he doesn't often lose the contest outright.
What I mean by that, is that even if he loses the tap-out, he gets straight into getting stuck into the mids. The ball doesn't leave the area without a fight.
The other thing i like about him is that he has presence and doesn't seem to get flustered when things don't go his way.

By the way, he's not a bad mark nor kick. Has quite a bit going for him, actually.

He's nowhere near putting it all together.

But in terms of an overall skillset? Extremely high end if he does.

Weighed in at 97kg this pre-season... Get that to 100-101kg after this one, and he'll be striking fear into some midfielders.

His draft analysis on Bishop's site is interesting. Lists TDK's weaknesses as aggression and contested marking. If correct, Tom has sought to rectify those relatively quickly.

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "De Koning is an athletic ruck who can play forward and just needs to find an aggressive edge to go to the next level."

Looks like he is going to the next level.
 

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He's nowhere near putting it all together.

But in terms of an overall skillset? Extremely high end if he does.
Weighed in at 97kg this pre-season... Get that to 100-101kg after this one, and he'll be striking fear into some midfielders.
His draft analysis on Bishop's site is interesting. Lists TDK's weaknesses as aggression and contested marking. If correct, Tom has sought to rectify those relatively quickly.

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "De Koning is an athletic ruck who can play forward and just needs to find an aggressive edge to go to the next level."

Looks like he is going to the next level.

Aggression? TDK lacks aggression? Maybe he used to, but don't think that there's any issue there.

TDK is a lot more aggressive than McKay was in his first, let's say second year. I know some may have watched the weekends game and not taken much from that, but guaranteed that TDK doesn't lack aggression. Surprised Bishop came to that conclusion.
 
There's no way we could trade for a contracted Bont without including a promising young player at a minimum. Of course that may be the very reason some wouldn't do it, which is fine, however picks alone wouldn't be enough, and that is before even taking into account that we won't have a top 10 pick.
Don't matter, no way the Bulldogs trade him.
 
Aggression? TDK lacks aggression? Maybe he used to, but don't think that there's any issue there.

TDK is a lot more aggressive than McKay was in his first, let's say second year. I know some may have watched the weekends game and not taken much from that, but guaranteed that TDK doesn't lack aggression. Surprised Bishop came to that conclusion.

Might've been one of his co-authors. But an interesting take, nonetheless. May have been true 2 years ago, certainly isnt now, thankfully.
 
Totally Agree, Harry has the potential to be the best forward in the league. Harry FFWD & Charlie roaming CHF.

If I was trading a forward it would McLuvin, would have much preferred JSOS in the team on the weekend. Seems to be a lazy footballer.

Harry hasn’t got the natural ability of Charlie, not even close.
At times Harry looks lazy and lacking in footy IQ, very good tall prospect but he hasn’t the magic nor aerobic endurance , Charlie is elite material and has very real potential, Harry needs more time and will have his limitations.
 
Makes you wonder if we need to go out and find another depth ruckman...maybe we just need to repurpose Harry over the next couple of seasons.

Harry in the ruck, TDK comes in as a third tall forward, split their time 60/40. Two capable ruckman with good forward craft.
Might be worth asking Sydney what's happening with Darcy Cameron. Big young lad who doesn't seem to be getting a crack.
 
Aggression? TDK lacks aggression? Maybe he used to, but don't think that there's any issue there.

TDK is a lot more aggressive than McKay was in his first, let's say second year. I know some may have watched the weekends game and not taken much from that, but guaranteed that TDK doesn't lack aggression. Surprised Bishop came to that conclusion.
A year or two to these teenagers makes a difference, and the benefit of a ruck Coach and being surrounded by ruckmen in the 2nds helps enormously too Lobbe and Phillips.
TDK has always had something special let’s see what unfolds.
 
Harry hasn’t got the natural ability of Charlie, not even close.
At times Harry looks lazy and lacking in footy IQ, very good tall prospect but he hasn’t the magic nor aerobic endurance , Charlie is elite material and has very real potential, Harry needs more time and will have his limitations.
I didn't see much of Harry in reserves but I recall a knock on him was a lack of effort, and that appears to be the case now. Being young isn't an excuse for this to still be the case in his fourth year, and maybe that's something that we'll just need to accept with Harry. It's why though I wouldn't be against the idea of moving him on, plenty of talent but potentially always the joker.
 
We need a top 10 mature bodied midfielder to help in the engine room, some dash and run from the back line.
Invest in a young Ruckman urgently that will follow the play and distribute the ball with some aggression and to sort out our forward line.
Not necessarily marquee players but quality players that can get the job done.
Our elite talent is fine, ready to develop they need support and protection.
It’s over to Silvagni, Agresta and Brodie to get the job done.
 
Harry hasn’t got the natural ability of Charlie, not even close.
At times Harry looks lazy and lacking in footy IQ, very good tall prospect but he hasn’t the magic nor aerobic endurance , Charlie is elite material and has very real potential, Harry needs more time and will have his limitations.
I still think Harry could be better than Charlie, very athletic for his size and could be near impossible to match up once we get our game plan and skills right. Hopefully their competitive natures drive each to higher levels.

Remember that season in the early 90s North had the Fridge, Carey, Longmire and McAddam? kicking over 60 goals each. A forward line functioning like that would be nice.
 

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I didn't see much of Harry in reserves but I recall a knock on him was a lack of effort, and that appears to be the case now. Being young isn't an excuse for this to still be the case in his fourth year, and maybe that's something that we'll just need to accept with Harry. It's why though I wouldn't be against the idea of moving him on, plenty of talent but potentially always the joker.

Again - 13 games straight, first time he's strung together more than 7 in a row since joining the club. Kid's most likely tired, especially given how much he was working up the ground in the first couple of months. Wait and see how he goes after a well-deserved week off.
 
Let's put it out there

Harry McKay for Bont?

Services both teams on a needs basis. We have a glut of tall forwards.

Would allow mcgov and Curnow to play with greater freedom.

Nobody wants to let a star KPF go, but Id personally do it...


No.
 
We keep all the current players especially Harry and give them time to play together. It's not surprising that the bulk of our young talented are already signed to contracts.
Harry was important in drawing players away from Charlie Saturday night. Teague said last week that McGovern also played the team game by doing what was asked of him in not being parked in the 50m arc. Look at the whole not just 1 thing.

Does anyone realistically think Bulldogs are going to trade Bont?
Would you trade Cripps for Naughton?

This place is hilarious sometimes.
 
A year or two to these teenagers makes a difference, and the benefit of a ruck Coach and being surrounded by ruckmen in the 2nds helps enormously too Lobbe and Phillips.
TDK has always had something special let’s see what unfolds.

Is it just me that wants to see Lobbe kept on as ruck coach?

I want him......now. :)
 
There's no way we could trade for a contracted Bont without including a promising young player at a minimum. Of course that may be the very reason some wouldn't do it, which is fine, however picks alone wouldn't be enough, and that is before even taking into account that we won't have a top 10 pick.

If you are offering, 2 first round picks, that young talent you would be adding isn't going to be one of the best young key forwards in the game
 
Doesn't Bont have a degenerative hip condition?

I've got a degenerative hip condition...

...I've been becoming progressively less hip every year since my early 20s....
 
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