Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Your question makes little sense to me.

I have little reason to doubt the person who said it based on how I know the person.

I'm just establishing here that you actually believe that Murph was upset and sulking about the Cripps win because as you say you have trust in the person who told you and the opinions since are actually expressing your disappointment in what you believe happened.

The perspective I am looking for is whether the person has just said Murph looked upset but can't be sure why, that we don't know what he was referring to when he said he can't vent, and wonderiong whether the person followed Murphy closely in the aftermath to ensure Murph made no contact with Cripps' parents.

I am allowing for the possibility that this was not at all what it appeared to be to your friend ... benefit of the doubt and all that, and then wondering if we have to go into a whole thing about expectations of him as captain and so forth, because these things have a habit of being accepted as truth and presented as such a couple of years down the track.

Like we have heaps of rumours here but most aren't potentially damaging or defaming to a key member of the club. Reporting it is fine, but when the discussion starts to evolve to a point where we are actually believing it, I personally find it a little distasteful.

I'd just like it to be a little less circumstantial I guess.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

serious? disappointing if true......

You jest, but you watch this being re-raised in a year or two.

 

[Jabba73]

serious? disappointing if true......

Yep, the Lions are offering a third rounder because he is not worth pick 2 and they need their second rounder for the academy kids.

We will have to take it because Reddon and a 6th rounder for Murph and our 7th is the only other option. Cats are interested but have promised their 1st rounders to Adelaide for the next decade. Tigers have offered Astbury and a downgrade of our second. * is prepared to take him as steak knives in the Yarran for Stepladder trade.

If Murph doesn't want to be here, we better get rid of him asap.

 

[thylacine60]

crikey

 

[Azul]

Queue the Murph is leaving rumour coz he didnt win FFS

Murphy and Bell for Brisbane's pick 2?

Murph's father did play for the Lions...

 

[teknodeejay]

I'm just establishing here that you actually believe that Murph was upset

I thought that already from the live feed.

I'm happy to not say anything else. Unpopular views not welcome - I get it

 

[Jabba73]

I thought that already from the live feed.

I'm happy to not say anything else. Unpopular views not welcome - I get it

Nah, I think most are just checking for context in case it has been misconstrued. Would be a massive knock on the captain of the club if true, need to know if there is another explanation before we consign him to being tainted forever.

The rest of us are just taking the piss.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I thought that already from the live feed.

I'm happy to not say anything else. Unpopular views not welcome - I get it

I saw his expression too but I don't know what it was over and I think it is wrong to flesh it out and assume.

It's not that unpopular views are not welcome but gee that's a very circumstantial case to use as an attack on his captaincy. Seems like something to ponder, then move on with, rather than discuss what a captain should or shouldn't be doing.

I mean, ultimately ... are we supporters here or are we the Herald Sun Chief Football Writer?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Nah, I think most are just checking for context in case it has been misconstrued. Would be a massive knock on the captain of the club if true, need to know if there is another explanation before we consign him to being tainted forever.

This, and tainted is what he would be. You'd at least want to know for sure this was actually what he intended.

 

[Bic]

Stop.

 

[Matty411]

Murph has nonchalant expression at B&F.

Cue calls to trade him.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Stop.

Hammer time?





I tried to resist, but it was eating away at me.

 

[Sector 7G]

I saw his expression too but I don't know what it was over and I think it is wrong to flesh it out and assume.

It's not that unpopular views are not welcome but gee that's a very circumstantial case to use as an attack on his captaincy. Seems like something to ponder, then move on with, rather than discuss what a captain should or shouldn't be doing.

I mean, ultimately ... are we supporters here or are we the Herald Sun Chief Football Writer?

It could be that he took his sling off for the presentation photos, tweaked his shoulder and it was hurting or it could be he has a $50K bonus in his contract if he wins the B&F or it could be he hates Cripps (not sure this is possible). We have the information he looked unhappy but just wild speculation on why.

 

[Bic]

Hammer time?





I tried to resist, but it was eating away at me.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Post Warning: Attempted explanation of philosophy (I am sorry)

I think one of the problems we are witnessing is the ignorance of interpretative gaps.

If you subscribe, as I do, to an interpretative realist ontology (a single objective reality exists, but can never be understood by any person completely as we are always interpreting from our own conception) then this can be explained. Essentially there may be some truth to the claims regarding Murphy. Multiple people may have witnessed his reaction. But the causal reason (what caused it) for his reaction is disputed. We have heard conjecture from multiple parties on this front.

Reality is beyond our grasp in this case. We cannot be certain of what Murphy actually felt, or why. We can only ever know what we experience, and must make judgements on the rest.

tl;dr

We can't know if Murphy was upset, and honestly it's a bit beyond useless knowing as that in turn has a tenuous relationship to other potential truthes

 

[KohPhi]

I thought that already from the live feed.

I'm happy to not say anything else. Unpopular views not welcome - I get it

I can confirm Murph wasn't happy.. apparently Cripps swapped his chicken for the beef when Murphy wasn't looking and then proceeded to lick the beef so it couldn't be swapped back. Bloody young upstarts...

 

[Doro]

Maybe Smurf had a sizeable bonus trigger in the contract for B& F victory. Ohh well mate, Bali instead of the south of France

 

[Just Kreuzing]

The Lennon to carlton runours are starting to heat up, it's now on fox footy.

Barrett will break it as an exclusive on Thursday night, Caro & Hutchy will confirm it next week......

 

[My name geoff]

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-09-18/second-place-marc-murphy

Seemed pretty happy with Cripps in his interview.

 

[Nori]

The perspective I am looking for is whether the person has just said Murph looked upset but can't be sure why, that we don't know what he was referring to when he said he can't vent, and wondering whether the person followed Murphy closely in the aftermath to ensure Murph made no contact with Cripps' parents.

I agree, this is scrutiny + Imagination = Unfounded Assumption

Has anyone thought that his recently reconstructed shoulder might have been causing him pain after being on his feet most of the night. Perhaps this is why he went home early and possibly didn't get to say hi to everyone before he had to leave.

This has as much basis in fact as some WAGs intense scrutiny of everything Murphy did over the course of the night.

 

[gandaal]

Queue the Murph is leaving rumour coz he didnt win FFS

2nd rounder. Straight swap for Dud KPP. All we can get, just ask the trades board.

 

[Matty411]

Murph's post-B&F interview was very positive - had glowing words for young Crippa... not worried one bit.

He sounds like me after a few drinks #voiceboxfail

 

[zeeCFC]

What the hell are these last few pages. Absolute rubbish rumour. No way his partner took to facebook and Murph would have known Cripps won before the count started. We are over analysing his blank stare.

 

[thylacine60]

I can confirm Murph wasn't happy.. apparently Cripps swapped his chicken for the beef when Murphy wasn't looking and then proceeded to lick the beef so it couldn't be swapped back. Bloody young upstarts...

Brilliant

 

[thylacine60]

What the hell are these last few pages. Absolute rubbish rumour. No way his partner took to facebook and Murph would have known Cripps won before the count started. We are over analysing his blank stare.

Not like you to post garbage, Zee. Have you ever had your meal swapped without a word of warning? Think. Post. Think. Delete. Repent.