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I think we still have list deficiencies, particulary in midfield pace and de Goey/Petracca type burst from the centre. In no way do I think that we came close and so we should rely on the improvement of the list we already have. I look at Brisbane who keep adding components year on year. Pies won a flag by adding components last trade period.

I don't think it's a bad thing to provide a little bit of critical analysis. I think we can improve hand over fist by allowing for multiple ways to win. The contested game is an arduous one and it injures players.

I think both. We are close and we have deficiencies. I think what stopped us this year was that we were flat after our brilliant but physically hard end of season run. As you say, the contested game takes its toll (see Cripps).

If we finish top 4 in 2024 and can get a week's break then i think we are an even chance against our top 8 peers. Having said that, we should still be looking to improve as others will.

Pies won with Mason Cox and a cardboard cutout at full forward etc. Carlton can carry 2-3 weaker players and win.

Why couldnt Voss rest Cripps throughout the season given how hard our contested game is. Dow and Kennedy proved they are capable enough. The MC doesnt have the right trust levels yet. This is an area we need to improve given our specific style. Walsh/Cerra for ad-hoc rests.

TDK is another I'd protect during a season.
  • Hope Austin can find us a Petty type, and a midfielder who is a good decision maker/elite kick for the inside 50s distribution. I'd want the Degoey type too but think that's asking for the world.
  • Voss to oversee turnoever footy improvement.
  • Fwds coach to find ways to bring Charlie into the game at the pointy end of the season when contested stuff gets hard.
Above isnt too much to ask.
 
One sticks in my mind from years ago and people were listing having Glass-Mgasker in defence as a reason we didn’t need to target a key defender.

There’s nothing wrong with not rating certain players, if we are debating Duursma or anyone else, ask is he an upgrade on what we have, or do we expect them to be?

I agree with other posters that the wing isn’t a priority so unless Voss thinks Duursma will play half forward then I think we look else where
I see what you mean, and I agree, but I was thinking more of some of our current crop that are already almost out the door. People seem to want to keep them and get some more who are barely a step up.
 

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I see what you mean, and I agree, but I was thinking more of some of our current crop that are already almost out the door. People seem to want to keep them and get some more who are barely a step up.

I’m a small gains type of guy, going off a quick look, we were 9th for points scored and 4th against.

If we improve by 1 goal in points scored I think we jump to 5th, 1 goal on defence and we go 1st.

We are talking small margins at these stages
 
Good points. I'll back our guys in against everyone and I perosnally wouldnt swap Cerra/Walsh with any other midfielders in the league which is how high i rate them.

I think AFL matches are now more decided by group effort rather than individuals. But in the context that you have a decent top 10 list to start with, then it's completely about the collective, the transition strategy, and thirdly about the players. It is why intent for me explains most wins.

We need to fear the Pies rather than boast. They just won a grand final with a cardboard cutout at full forward and no key position forwards of any note. It means they won the game with other skillsets that we might find hard to stop (midfield/transition related).
We didn't find any of their skill sets hard to stop. What the **** are you on about? Fear the pies? Sounds like you should stop and consider how silly you sound. They won the GF because they are untouchable... Diacos doesn't get suspended for causing concussion in a dangerous tackle...shit haircut guy doesn't get weeks for leaving the ground and bumping into brayshaw...plus the
Umps gave them a good ride in the big dance.

Wouldn't be worried about playing them.

They think they are so ****ing great letting everyone join in the ride ****ing weak as piss that ****ing club.
 
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Funnily enough I was actually speaking to Josh Sinn's old coach earlier in the year while working for his holiday football program.

Was just discussing Callaghan and Daicos etc and how impressed I was by them this year and asked him if he had much to do with Sinn or any other kids.

Came out of nowhere but he was very critical of the kid and made it sound like he was a massive FIGJAM which was a bit of a shock. I was a massive fan of Sinn in his draft year, game breaking speed, piercing low kick and seemed to be an all out offensive weapon when I watched him.

Mentioned to me that he wasn't surprised that his game hadn't translated at AFL level and that he actively told recruiters who asked him about him to be wary of drafting him.

Didn't really ask him for any details but just mentioned that he was fairly arrogant and only really cared about his own performances which I'm assuming meant he burnt teammates on gameday etc.

I'd still be excited about him if he was to come across from Port, he has traits to make it at the level and to be a seriously damaging player. Bit injury prone still but haven't heard anything about him having a bad attitude from Port fans. Perhaps playing for his childhood club would be enough motivation to take the next step in his career.
 
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I think both. We are close and we have deficiencies. I think what stopped us this year was that we were flat after our brilliant but physically hard end of season run. As you say, the contested game takes its toll (see Cripps).

If we finish top 4 in 2024 and can get a week's break then i think we are an even chance against our top 8 peers. Having said that, we should still be looking to improve as others will.

Pies won with Mason Cox and a cardboard cutout at full forward etc. Carlton can carry 2-3 weaker players and win.

Why couldnt Voss rest Cripps throughout the season given how hard our contested game is. Dow and Kennedy proved they are capable enough. The MC doesnt have the right trust levels yet. This is an area we need to improve given our specific style. Walsh/Cerra for ad-hoc rests.

TDK is another I'd protect during a season.
  • Hope Austin can find us a Petty type, and a midfielder who is a good decision maker/elite kick for the inside 50s distribution. I'd want the Degoey type too but think that's asking for the world.
  • Voss to oversee turnoever footy improvement.
  • Fwds coach to find ways to bring Charlie into the game at the pointy end of the season when contested stuff gets hard.
Above isnt too much to ask.

I wanted Mini McQualtor for some turnover footy expertise but sounds like he’s demons bound. We need to bolster the coaching group as well as the playing group.
 
Exactly. Just because they qualify for father son are they good

Carlton or Richmond ?
Well Ben won the medal for best player in the futures game last week. Puts him right up at the pointy end of his draft class so far with a year to go. 30 touches in shortened quarters for an inside/outside mid at the G.
 
Collingwood won the flag because they have a boatload of talent in their prime playing well with minimal injuries.

We are just beggining to enter that sweet spot in terms of age. I would argue that the Pies are closer to the end of their window unless they recruit year on year like the Cats. Though it seems winning teams are getting older and older.

We don’t need to fear any club. We need to keep going with what we have, add to it and refine it.
 
Never mind all this crap...where are the teams ffs
FB: Marchbank's fingers, Acres' fingers, Big Durds
HB: Irish #1, Weitering, Irish #2
C: Acres, Oliver, Hollands Jnr
HF: Gresham, Charlie, Hollands Snr
FF: Little Durds, TDK, Cahill
Foll: Pittonet, Cripps, Walsh
Int: Cerra, Bailey Smith's mullet, Duurrssmmaa, Thompson Dow

Pretty sure...
 
FB: Marchbank's fingers, Acres' fingers, Big Durds
HB: Irish #1, Weitering, Irish #2
C: Acres, Oliver, Hollands Jnr
HF: Gresham, Charlie, Hollands Snr
FF: Little Durds, TDK, Cahill
Foll: Pittonet, Cripps, Walsh
Int: Cerra, Bailey Smith's mullet, Duurrssmmaa, Thompson Dow

Pretty sure...
Reckon Acre’s hair should have been at least named in the extended squad
 
Looks like this 'take the result on face value' means GWS has us covered? Or is there wiggle room to say it might be different in a different set of circumstances.
You mean is it possible if we played collingwood 100 times, we wouldn't win by 17 points 100 times? No ****ing shit. No wonder I can't keep up with this thread with crap like this.

Not aimed at you specifically, just this post hooked me enough to reply as it was short enough to read. Others repeating the message much more often but in much longer posts I now scroll past.
 
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Puff or no puff he's still not in our best 22. Personally think he should be one of the de-listings. Only one of him and Marchbank should move forward with us. Neither is Cottrell, Fogarty, Silvagni etc aren't best 22 either IMO. Got to move past these guys to make the next step. They're all fine as depth though.
Stunned by all this. Anyone would think you need 22 All Australians to win a flag. Ginnovan, Frampton, Cameron, Cox. WHE and Lipinski all say hi FFs.
 
But does Young want to be kept? Fisher has requested a trade to North it's now been reported (Ralphy) with 2 years to go. Players like Young, Fisher and Dow if they feel or feedback given to them is along the lines of this is where you lie at the moment and you're seen as depth for 2024, or your weaknesses are a concern, mentally that'll hurt.

Young round 1 was our best player, super promising in 2023 and from there form slump that make Harry's goal kicking yips seem quite shallow. Followed by rumours abound about his relationship with Weiters and how he's rated. Then come finals S.Durdin not seen for an eternity in the ones and coming off never ending injuries is listed above him as an emergency. Human nature, you get defeated and even if you try to spill your guts to fight back it doesn't always reap rewards, or you just keep going around in a never ending circle of feeling defeated.

Fisher and Dow brought in to cover injuries, do quite well, then sent back to VFL once injured players returned after 1 month+ lay offs (although at least Dow had the carrot in front of him as he kept being made an emergency), told theoretically to "improve aspects"... what aspects? Every player on our list has flaws. Is it that their (Fisher, Dow) strengths aren't considered vital and worthwhile keeping in the side? If that's the case their strengths may be suited elsewhere.

In terms of Casboult would've loved to have kept him, but he'd have waited on injuries like Dow, Fisher, Young to get a game. JSOS may never have played as Casboult could've been the ideal ruck/fwd (even defender as he's shown with us). But at GC he's in the seniors constantly and has been offered contract extension, and has extended his AFL career that once looked like being 0 games (fortunate we had the most injury plagues rucks back then), got his shot and here he is 5 games shy of 200 AFL games.

Levi has made a pretty good career based on some of the stick he copped from his own club's fans.
 
I’m a small gains type of guy, going off a quick look, we were 9th for points scored and 4th against.

If we improve by 1 goal in points scored I think we jump to 5th, 1 goal on defence and we go 1st.

We are talking small margins at these stages
I tend to differ because to me it implies the opposition, and to some degree the resilience of our playing list, remain static to accommodate the changes. Of cause 'small gains' are better than 'no gains'.
 
Levi has made a pretty good career based on some of the stick he copped from his own club's fans.
Pretty good?
If he gets to 200, I’d say excellent…..especially after being held hostage early days
 
Stunned by all this. Anyone would think you need 22 All Australians to win a flag. Ginnovan, Frampton, Cameron, Cox. WHE and Lipinski all say hi FFs.

Really? I'm stunned he's still on an AFL list seemingly about to head into his 9th season and even more stunned I'm still reading from some here today that they still hope his "potential" can translate into consistent performances.

So, I dont think a handful of our players should be considered in our best 22 for us to take the next step. An astounding opinion apparently.:think:
 

Let me reciprocate your post. Offence is intended.

I read this word and it just got me going - it is bloody obvious and useless. I haven't bothered to read the rest of the sentence or thread because i cant be buggered with all this posting crap.

There, ive done what you did.
 
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I haven't read ONE poster in this thread suggesting that the Club shouldn't be trying to improve its list every year - have I missed something?


I know you have mentioned a lot about how many players who arent good enough going forward for us to win a flag. You've mentioned it a lot over the last 18 months.

Pies carried two twits in their flag winning side so that takes some of the pressure off us having to have all top quality players right?

Which players wont make it battler
 
I think everyone needs to chill out.

What's keeping me Zen is the thought that North spent years trying to land a Big Fish.

Well, they finally landed a Fish and at 175cm, he's almost so small you gotta throw him back!
 
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I think Duursma has gone backwards this year but is probably mid pack in the list.

I still think with limited cap and picks to trade with, you target shallow positions for big improvement, not small improvement in where there's depth.
True, but how about we go one better and try for big (as in 'optimum') improvement in any position that we can fit a player in, that's always been my philosophy. That's not absolutely anywhere but it's broader than we think. More players who can improve our attack and who are mobile, I don't really care if they have 'small forward' or 'medium forward' stamped on their forehead or not.
 
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I haven't read ONE poster in this thread suggesting that the Club shouldn't be trying to improve its list every year - have I missed something?
I have a few ideas, but I keep them to myself for fear of ridicule
 
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