Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[HereComesJuddy]

Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it.

If true, I think that shifts some leverage away from the Dees' side as they'll want to avoid this getting publicly messy.

2 firsts + a second in return for paying 30% of his salary.

If he wants out of the club that badly, we could absolutely make a deal work without needing to trade out a player. If that is the case, we must absolutely pursue it.

In: Petracca
Out: half a bag of chips and a 4th

Go Dee’s

 

[new_blue]

Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it.

If true, I think that shifts some leverage away from the Dees' side as they'll want to avoid this getting publicly messy.

2 firsts + a second in return for paying 30% of his salary.

If he wants out of the club that badly, we could absolutely make a deal work without needing to trade out a player. If that is the case, we must absolutely pursue it.

Sounds like it’s getting nasty, if that’s the case.

 

[Monty1978]

You can ask these questions about every team.

We have Doc, Cripps, Harry, Charlie, Walsh, Weitering etc etc that are AA players, 2 x Coleman medalists and a Brownlow thrown in, and all they've managed in that time is a PF appearance last year and a sneak into finals appearance this year on the back of crossing our fingers another team didnt win their last game or we would be talking mad monday.

We've got all that and we are consistently not a finals team. These guys are the foundation of our team and we are generally nowhere come September. Something doesnt add up for me.

Some teams just do it better with shit lists and some teams are always at the top or bottom out and rise again … other teams take ages to get there and when they finally do last about 1-2 years .. which one you think Carlton falls into … we will struggle to get 1 premiership and I’m not super confident but wouldn’t be suprised we are back in the wilderness for a while … teams like cats and hawks even Collingwood Sydney do it all the time , melb wins one and yhe wheels are falling off… teams who do it well plan well and take risks we don’t

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it.

If true, I think that shifts some leverage away from the Dees' side as they'll want to avoid this getting publicly messy.

2 firsts + a second in return for paying 30% of his salary.

If he wants out of the club that badly, we could absolutely make a deal work without needing to trade out a player. If that is the case, we must absolutely pursue it.

That’s getting messy if it eventuates!
It’ll only hurt Melbourne and decrease what they might want to get out of the trade imo

 

[Benaly28]

Petracca at Hawthorn wins a premiership
Petracca at Carlton destroys a culture.
Why you ask because Hawthorn build from the ground up and Petracca is like the cherry on top
Carlton have never built the foundation properly and Petracca just perpetuates our obsession with star players, quick fixes and sugar hits

Brilliant post.


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[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Carlton to focus on Leek A, Haynes and Houston in that order.

It will transform our defence. Haynes will unlike Mcgovern really play an intercept role. That's a good start there.

It's really clear that Weitering is the general down back but it is also really clear that he is lost at marshalling the defensive set up because you can see the end to end goals that go past him as opposition forwards catch us out on breaks/sneaking forward. Haynes can probably help here. Houston too.

Our defensive weaknesses are twofold. One on one body contested mark defending and ground ball clearance plus the midfield defending breakaway stoppage transition. The three defenders would fix half the problem potenitally as i dont know if aleer is more physical lockdown or more light intercepter like we already have in Kemp/young/Marchbank. We need more lockdown type and physicality to balance our side.

Houston potentially helps midfield speed if required there as he beats Kennedy, Hewett and most likely Walsh who is more one paced than fast.

If they can find a midfielder with speed instead of Houston's class, well go for it. Doubt it and houston is at least on the market for consideration.

We only need to fix derence plus Houston i think. The rest of our flag chances hinge on vossy finding Curnow/Mackay/midfield less contested victories as it bangs us up by end of season. You only have to watch games to see Charlie/Mckay contests in so many pack situations repeatedly and then see the opponents one on one rebound marking contests. It's our forwards that are paying a big price for their goals. This is based on the team's baseline output formula of high down the same wing and high into the pocket footy. Not much lowering of the eyes inside 50.

Is Houston really a need? I wouldn’t say no to him though.

As much as he isn’t the sexy option, Barrass is probably the type of player we need the most.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Journalists have little reason to spread BS.

 

[JustOneTime]

Is Houston really a need? I wouldn’t say no to him though.

As much as he isn’t the sexy option, Barrass is probably the type of player we need the most.

It's more about probability why i dont mention Barass and mention Houston. I'd take Barass over Leek for sure but Barass is strongly linked elsewhere so ive omitted him.

Houston ive mentioned because JSoS grew up with him and Vossy knows him. Houston provides coverage off half back, wing and midfield if required. That is great utility value and he has been all australian. Having said all that. To your point i have him third on the list of requirements due to cost.

 

[Red_man2008]

Cerra and a future first for petracca. Melbourne surely don’t want the cash on their books. He wants out. If he files a grievance claim and wins he could walk out on his contract anyway.

 

[Aphrodite]

Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it.

If true, I think that shifts some leverage away from the Dees' side as they'll want to avoid this getting publicly messy.

2 firsts + a second in return for paying 30% of his salary.

If he wants out of the club that badly, we could absolutely make a deal work without needing to trade out a player. If that is the case, we must absolutely pursue it.

Not what Ralph said at all.

‘Trac has the option of forcing a trade through the AFL’s grievance tribunal’

Nowhere in the article does it state that ‘Trac will take the Dees to the grievance tribunal’


Not to say that it might eventually come to that.

https://archive.md/gb889

Christian Petracca has the option of forcing a trade from Melbourne through the AFL’s grievance tribunal as his teammates increasingly ponder life without their star match winner.

The Herald Sun can reveal there is a process through the AFL’s collective bargaining agreement where he could ask the AFL to step in to broker a trade through mediation if all attempts to convince the Demons he wants a new start fail.

 

[reg_lower91]

Could trade pick 11 + 31 with...

Richmond for picks 17 + 21
Sydney for picks 18 + 19
Suns for picks 20 + 26 + 46

3 examples where we could turn our first rounder in to multiple firsts or a late first-rounder + early second rounder

Would give us...
2024 late first round
2024 late first round or early second round
2025 first round
2025 second round

That's enough to get Houston/ Petracca + Aleer done.

 

[reg_lower91]

Not what Ralph said at all.

https://archive.md/gb889

What I said: "Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it"

What you've quoted from JR's article: "Christian Petracca has the option of forcing a trade from Melbourne through the AFL’s grievance tribunal"

Whilst it may not be verbatim or word-for-word, that looks the same to me?

 

[YeoShuey]

What I said: "Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it"

What you've quoted from JR's article: "Christian Petracca has the option of forcing a trade from Melbourne through the AFL’s grievance tribunal"

Whilst it may not be verbatim or word-for-word, that looks the same to me?

Can’t agree.

Huge difference between will take and has the option of in my opinion.

 

[Aphrodite]

What I said: "Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it"

What you've quoted from JR's article: "Christian Petracca has the option of forcing a trade from Melbourne through the AFL’s grievance tribunal"

Whilst it may not be verbatim or word-for-word, that looks the same to me?

I posted a link to the article & stand by my response.

1 is not the same as the other.

I also said ‘Not to say that it might eventually come to that’.

 

[Aphrodite]

Can’t agree.

Huge difference between will take and has the option of in my opinion.

Exactly my point.

 

[reg_lower91]

Can’t agree.

Huge difference between will take and has the option of in my opinion.

My bad - I was writing down as I heard it on TV. I'll work on my annotation skills moving forward

 

[Beer n Skittles]

What I said: "Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it"

What you've quoted from JR's article: "Christian Petracca has the option of forcing a trade from Melbourne through the AFL’s grievance tribunal"

Whilst it may not be verbatim or word-for-word, that looks the same to me?

“Will” vs “has the option to” are miles apart for mine

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Jon Ralph reporting that Petracca will take the Dees to a grievance tribunal to get out of his contract if it comes down to it.

If true, I think that shifts some leverage away from the Dees' side as they'll want to avoid this getting publicly messy.

2 firsts + a second in return for paying 30% of his salary.

If he wants out of the club that badly, we could absolutely make a deal work without needing to trade out a player. If that is the case, we must absolutely pursue it.

 

[Benaly28]

Could trade pick 11 + 31 with...

Richmond for picks 17 + 21
Sydney for picks 18 + 19
Suns for picks 20 + 26 + 46

3 examples where we could turn our first rounder in to multiple firsts or a late first-rounder + early second rounder

Would give us...
2024 late first round
2024 late first round or early second round
2025 first round
2025 second round

That's enough to get Houston/ Petracca + Aleer done.

If we could land those 3 players without losing any and just trading for picks it will be the biggest heist of all time.


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[Kruezing]

Could trade pick 11 + 31 with...

Richmond for picks 17 + 21
Sydney for picks 18 + 19
Suns for picks 20 + 26 + 46

3 examples where we could turn our first rounder in to multiple firsts or a late first-rounder + early second rounder

Would give us...
2024 late first round
2024 late first round or early second round
2025 first round
2025 second round

That's enough to get Houston/ Petracca + Aleer done.

Beautiful …

 

[Leeway]

Could trade pick 11 + 31 with...

Richmond for picks 17 + 21
Sydney for picks 18 + 19
Suns for picks 20 + 26 + 46

3 examples where we could turn our first rounder in to multiple firsts or a late first-rounder + early second rounder

Would give us...
2024 late first round
2024 late first round or early second round
2025 first round
2025 second round

That's enough to get Houston/ Petracca + Aleer done.

Only problem I see is...
We'll have pick 18 and not 11.
CB17

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I honestly don’t care about the speculation on Christian Petracca

5

Christian Petracca

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.4

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.5

3star

T

3.6

4star

CL

3.4

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

7.8

3star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.0

4star

. I only know that he’s a champion of the game and a pleasure to watch.

 

[Benaly28]

I honestly don’t care about the speculation on Christian Petracca

5

Christian Petracca

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.4

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.5

3star

T

3.6

4star

CL

3.4

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

7.8

3star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.0

4star

. I only know that he’s a champion of the game and a pleasure to watch.

Petracca 2021 and Petracca 2025 are completely different beasts.


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[Stamos]

Given his injuries, Trac is high risk to anyone who picks him up.

Those same injuries also make him a risk to Melbourne if he stays, not to mention other potential issues around player harmony etc.

If & when Melbourne starts to factor the risk of keeping him into their thinking, things could become much more interesting.

Yeah, it will be an interesting watch.
If they hold him, and it goes poorly, they’ll have a (turning) 30 year old owed 4 million over the next 4 years.
Not a good situation to be in.

 

[Aphrodite]