Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Feels like we won’t be getting anyone noteworthy this trade period. We have this belief that we only need tweaks. Hubris.

The midfield group is slow and one paced with awful disposal. We have zero point of difference. Easy to coach against.

We should be targeting agile, skilful midfielders/half forwards like Brent Daniels

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Brent Daniels

Age

25

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Mead, Gulden, Conor MacDonald.

Corey Durdin, Motlop etc are simply not good enough either.

Where is our plan for a second key defender? Austin needs to be proactive.

 

[gbatman]

Agree but Cripps advantage is his big body and strength …difficult to tackle. He still manages to get the ball out.

Walsh Hewett Kennedy and cerra are more easily tackled and have the problems you’re alluding to.

Yep, would be ideal to have some pace and agility around him.

Our biggest issue is not winning the ball. It's when the opposition get it, we can't catch and pressure them. Same when the ball is knocked out into space which teams have done against us.

That Brisbane final last year, Lachie Neale and Cam Rayner getting the ball in the middle and having all the time in the world and running rings around our immobile midfield was the biggest telling sign what we need. We need players who can close in quick and make a tackle or force a pressure kick. Not just fall off because someone sidesteps. This is the area of the game Collingwood were best at last season. Most premiership sides are. Melbourne and Bulldogs in their flag year were elite at closing on opposition players. They weren't vulnerable like we are to midfielders who have good sidesteps. They could match the mids who were quick off the first few steps.

Us being big is an advantage when the ball is falling into our hands. We are elite in this situation. We rely too heavily on that. When this is not happening we are below average and that's when we get made to look like witches hats.

This is why I have liked Lord in the team. Closes and lays tackles, seems to have some agility.

That burst off the mark, first few step pace. If you have it you just break tackles. Don't need to be really big to break tackles, just have to make the tackler reach for you. A good side step, a few quick steps and that's how the best do it.

I think we know this.

 

[gbatman]

I just dont think he's in our best 22 anymore and he's never really been a dangerous forward

Jack Silvagni will play a lot of games next season because he can play multiple positions at a good level and none at an elite level. Looking at this season he could have easily played most of our games despite not being best 22.

Over his time he has played key forward, third tall forward, part time ruck, rover and a little bit in defence. I think next season he should be trained as a key defender. Which I think will suit him. Think he could play third tall back or 2nd tall defender.

These abilities also make him the ideal sub.

For these very reasons Jack will be valuable for us next season.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

The only reason we would trade TDK is if he wants out. Zero indication of that.

But does he “want in” post 2025 as a Free Agent?

Let’s test that shall we before we go and do something really stupid


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

This is where I rate smarts and ball use as speed. Bont's ability to make the right decisions and turn nothing into something with his class IMO is way more important than pure leg speed

I would take this over a fast runner any day

Those brains don't work as well in a 6-6-6 situation. Also, umpires have halved the time it takes to throw the ball up at stoppages. This is why the quicker ball movement teams have shot up the ladder. It's also probably why our stoppage game has been hit and miss week to week. We don't have the pace to get enough numbers around the stoppage in the 6 seconds it takes the umpire to come in, grab the ball and throw it up. The season has been flipped on its head.

 

[gbatman]

Feels like we won’t be getting anyone noteworthy this trade period. We have this belief that we only need tweaks. Hubris.

The midfield group is slow and one paced with awful disposal. We have zero point of difference. Easy to coach against.

We should be targeting agile, skilful midfielders/half forwards like Brent Daniels, Mead, Gulden, Conor MacDonald.

Corey Durdin, Motlop etc are simply not good enough either.

Where is our plan for a second key defender? Austin needs to be proactive.

How many of our small forwards are actually natural forwards?

Cottrell - IMO he's an athlete and it ends there. Has very little natural football instinct let alone forward smarts. We keep playing him as a half forward and he never gets the ball and when he does he gets it in non-threatening positions, not where he needs to be getting it as a half forward, at half forward.

E Hollands - He is a midfielder who has some ability to play forward. He's better than what we have got. But he's not a real threatening forward. More of a mid who can go forward, can play half forward as a plus one mid well. As a forward he is just ok.

Durdin - Showed a bit in 2022 and has done nothing since. Was drafted as a mid and we have tried to turn him into a forward. Goes missing.

Martin - He's a natural pure forward who can't get on the part and I highly doubt will play another game for us again.

Fantasia - Natural half forward but not very high quality. Lacks the aerial game to be a good half forward.

Motlop - Has some natural forward instinct but I feel he has more of a midfield brain. His fitness is really questionable. I would like to see how he goes when he is really fit.

Williams - Actually has half decent forward craft. I like him up forward.

Owies - Just because he is short doesn't really make him a small forward. He plays exactly like a third tall. But he's not tall.

Fogarty - Like Cottrell is VFL quality. One of the worst kicks in the game.

Kennedy - no

Carroll - no

Cincotta - no

Moir - FINALLY! This guys is a genuine forward. He's a lot like Martin. Out of all the smaller forwards on our list. He and Martin really have it and the rest have little bits and pieces and have moments now and then.

Outside of Moir, Martin and Motlop. Our small forward's are really non-threatening. Genuine half forwards who can win the ball at half forward is a must. Our good ball movement so often stops when it comes to half forward because there is simply no one there.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Yep, would be ideal to have some pace and agility around him.

Our biggest issue is not winning the ball. It's when the opposition get it, we can't catch and pressure them. Same when the ball is knocked out into space which teams have done against us.

That Brisbane final last year, Lachie Neale and Cam Rayner getting the ball in the middle and having all the time in the world and running rings around our immobile midfield was the biggest telling sign what we need. We need players who can close in quick and make a tackle or force a pressure kick. Not just fall off because someone sidesteps. This is the area of the game Collingwood were best at last season. Most premiership sides are. Melbourne and Bulldogs in their flag year were elite at closing on opposition players. They weren't vulnerable like we are to midfielders who have good sidesteps. They could match the mids who were quick off the first few steps.

Us being big is an advantage when the ball is falling into our hands. We are elite in this situation. We rely too heavily on that. When this is not happening we are below average and that's when we get made to look like witches hats.

This is why I have liked Lord in the team. Closes and lays tackles, seems to have some agility.

That burst off the mark, first few step pace. If you have it you just break tackles. Don't need to be really big to break tackles, just have to make the tackler reach for you. A good side step, a few quick steps and that's how the best do it.

I think we know this.

Spot on. Boom or bust. It’s why we look so much better with TDK, Williams and Fogarty in the team. Defensive closing speed.

 

[dogs105]

You may have this somewhere else, but Adelaide TV news reporting that Carlton are poaching "the best fitness manager in the league" from Adelaide


I wish our players were fitter with the best fitness boss...

 

[gbatman]

Spot on. Boom or bust. It’s why we look so much better with TDK, Williams and Fogarty in the team. Defensive closing speed.

We have looked better with Lord as well.

We have this backline that has intercept ability and rebound ability and it rarely gets used because our ability to apply pressure in the midfield is so poor.

 

[Stamos]

I just dont think he's in our best 22 anymore and he's never really been a dangerous forward

You’ve never rated him though, so the “anymore” doesn’t count for much

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

You’ve never rated him though, so the “anymore” doesn’t count for much

He was fine in the 22 for a while. Not so much anymore. There are a few we need to move on from if we want to win a premiership imo.

 

[carlton_99]

You may have this somewhere else, but Adelaide TV news reporting that Carlton are poaching "the best fitness manager in the league" from Adelaide


I wish our players were fitter with the best fitness boss...

 

[Stamos]

He was fine in the 22 for a while. Not so much anymore. There are a few we need to move on from if we want to win a premiership imo.

His last game he was clear BOG against the then top of the ladder team

 

[Opium]

I'd suggest that Bont and Treloar are quicker than our midfield.

Bont isn't quick

 

[Foucault1989]

If we entertained the idea of trading TDK I'd spew. That would be ridiculous.

 

[FairKouta]

Feels like we won’t be getting anyone noteworthy this trade period. We have this belief that we only need tweaks. Hubris.

The midfield group is slow and one paced with awful disposal. We have zero point of difference. Easy to coach against.

We should be targeting agile, skilful midfielders/half forwards like Brent Daniels, Mead, Gulden, Conor MacDonald.

Corey Durdin, Motlop etc are simply not good enough either.

Where is our plan for a second key defender? Austin needs to be proactive.

Bingo hit the nail on the head

 

[YeoShuey]

bloke will be 29 next year. He's not a 22 yo break out player with heaps of potential.

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Unfortunately age is irrelevant when Petracca is considered one of the Top 10 players in the league.

A team would need to pay a heavy price for a player of that calibre.

 

[sweethoney]

Double delight in that video Sam berry signed on for 2 more years

 

[Earls Smother]

Jack Silvagni will play a lot of games next season because he can play multiple positions at a good level and none at an elite level. Looking at this season he could have easily played most of our games despite not being best 22.

Over his time he has played key forward, third tall forward, part time ruck, rover and a little bit in defence. I think next season he should be trained as a key defender. Which I think will suit him. Think he could play third tall back or 2nd tall defender.

These abilities also make him the ideal sub.

For these very reasons Jack will be valuable for us next season.

When has he played in defence in the firsts? Other than maybe a cameo due to injuries or mixing it up because the game was dead?

He got dropped last year and played in defence in the 2's. By his own admission, this was to work on his second and third efforts. Nothing to do with being re-purposed as a defender.

As a forward, Jack lacks pace. As a ruck, he is pretty good because he is more agile than the 2 metre-plus lumbering types.
As a backman, he has to be reactive, not proactive, which exposes him even more for lack of speed, particularly off the mark. An ACL is not going to make him quicker.

He is not key position height so he would be a 3rd tall. We are going backwards if he is to be played as our 3rd tall defender. His best role IMO is as a ruck/forward because he is a better footballer than Pittonet and he has the footy smarts as a forward to complement TDK.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

burgess is a massive recruit for us

 

[katmanblue]

Where is our plan for a second key defender? Austin needs to be proactive.

in Austin's safe.



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[gbatman]

When has he played in defence in the firsts? Other than maybe a cameo due to injuries or mixing it up because the game was dead?

He got dropped last year and played in defence in the 2's. By his own admission, this was to work on his second and third efforts. Nothing to do with being re-purposed as a defender.

As a forward, Jack lacks pace. As a ruck, he is pretty good because he is more agile than the 2 metre-plus lumbering types.
As a backman, he has to be reactive, not proactive, which exposes him even more for lack of speed, particularly off the mark. An ACL is not going to make him quicker.

He is not key position height so he would be a 3rd tall. We are going backwards if he is to be played as our 3rd tall defender. His best role IMO is as a ruck/forward because he is a better footballer than Pittonet and he has the footy smarts as a forward to complement TDK.

Very briefly. A few occasions last year late in games. Could not remember the reasons.

He is lower end key position height so it comes down to smart body work and having a reasonable leap which he has.

Weitering is not overly quick but is a good key position defender. Pace is handy but is not the be all and end all in terms of key defender.

I think it could be an option for him.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Burgess you'd have to think would be the nail in the coffin for Pies getting Trac. Burgess and Trac renowned for having a fantastic relationship

 

[Juice030103]

burgess is a massive recruit for us

Felt like this after Russell tho gotta be honest

 

[Benaly28]

Burgess you'd have to think would be the nail in the coffin for Pies getting Trac. Burgess and Trac renowned for having a fantastic relationship

Really?

Did not know that.


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