Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[RoyalBlues]

I have high hopes for hollands. You don’t get touted as a potential number 1 pick in this day and age and have no talent. Kid could be a real player if he pulls his finger out

Not always

 

[therubbernub]

Makes sense re: Hollands. The fact that he never requested a trade suggests he wasnt desperate to leave and it was more being driven by us and gc. Any idea what we sold him on?

Did we tell him to play a bit within himself so that he can get to play at the greatest club in the land? Wouldnt be the first player.

 

[Coona Blues]

No.
If Dow goes out, there are 4 spots.
Hollands in would make it 3.

We've already brought in Cincotta and O'Keefe and 1 Irish.

So you are factoring in the, as yet, unannounced rookie upgrade.

Yes, Cincotta and O’Keeffe were over and above list quota replacing LTI players. The departure of Ed and LOB offsets them. Adding Irish rookie leaves us one over quota, demanding that we upgrade one rookie.

Main list of Plowman, Philp, Honey, Fisher and (in time) Dow. 5 spots.

Hollands in makes it four.

One (at least) has to be a rookie upgrade.

Leaves three spots to potentially take to the draft.

While we could use them all, my best guess is that we upgrade a second rookie, making future management significantly easier and add another player in the rookie draft/SSP period. Remains to be seen if that would be Soapy’s experienced depth or a young, developing player.

 

[therubbernub]

Billings could be a great acquisition if it only cost Dow. Maybe ask them to pay some of his contract though.

Maybe I was onto it with the Sandy = Saints = Billings connection.

That would be really giving the saints the 2 fingers - The Billings Method

 

[haveago]

Well I’m a member of the PFJ’s…

Splitter.

 

[Wickzki]

Billing’s is not made for finals. At 28 if he was going to he would have. I would rather have kept LOB (I think it is bad not to honour deals). Aside from one day out against Carlton where he kicked them from everywhere he struggles to execute. He is that guy who looks ama zing in the nets but can make runs

I think he's a cream player / the cherry on top who has been expected to do far more than he's capable of. Would look good in a premiership caliber team if he wasn't on too much coin snd didn't have the responsibility resting on him and was healthy

We've seen lesser yet similar players do very well in premiership teams. Just don't make him the important player in the system. That's where he falls short.

 

[The Bighouse]

Interesting. Many believe Cat B is outside that and we can now have 3

Akuei = 1 x Cat B
Monahan = 2nd Cat B
Duffy = Cat A rookie (only 1 Irish allowed as Cat B)
*Duffy/Monahan may switch between A & B but believe this is the way it’ll be from initial reporting.

 

[Sector 7G]

I think he's a cream player / the cherry on top who has been expected to do far more than he's capable of. Would look good in a premiership caliber team if he wasn't on too much coin snd didn't have the responsibility resting on him and was healthy

We've seen lesser yet similar players do very well in premiership teams. Just don't make him the important player in the system. That's where he falls short.

As long as that top team is not a kick down in a final and needs to perform under pressure. In his best year he was going at about 25% at goals ( if you take out his day out against us). I don’t think he is that Ryan Houlahan type we could use.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I hope Billings is wrong, perennially injured, slow, a poor kick & expensive.
Going in the opposite direction picking up someone like that.
Trade out a former pick 3 for another one who’s less reliable & with bigger deficiencies

 

[Arr0w]

I want to know why Wicks is still unsigned

 

[Kramer1]

No it doesn't. It was an attempt at humour playing on your weather wording.

Right. Well, probably better to let it slide...it's awkward now...

 

[thylacine60]

He hates Carlton now. I used to love him with all my heart. Now: Quite frankly: * him.

He has narcissistic personality disorder. His continual re-recruitment of players when he moves to the next club is more than just comical, it’s sad. He cannot admit when he’s wrong, ever. He is getting worse as he gets older. He will have no club to go to when he is discarded by the Saints in a few years and will die a clubless sad grumpy old man.

His bitterness toward Carlton couldn’t be any clearer.

It’s fine. Be that way. And get ****ed.

where does this vicious, vindictive rubbish even come from?

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Billings is an ordinary conditional footballer, that would be a horrible decision…

 

[TerryWallet]

So the rumoured trade is our Pick 26 for Hollands and Pick 38.

That 38 will come in on the draft night to 33 or 32 as GC relinquish 5 picks and probably Hawthorn 1. And our 26 will come in to 25 when GC relinquish 1 pick.

So basically the deal will be our 25 for Hollands and 32.

Which means so far it will be Fisher + 17 for Hollands + 21 + 32.

 

[passmark]

So the rumoured trade is our Pick 26 for Hollands and Pick 38.

That 38 will come in on the draft night to 33 or 32 as GC relinquish 5 picks and probably Hawthorn 1. And our 26 will come in to 25 when GC relinquish 1 pick.

So basically the deal will be our 25 for Hollands and 32.

Which means so far it will be Fisher + 17 for Hollands + 21 + 32.

I’m gunna say that looks ok before the trade nerds come in and tell us how ****in terrible it is.

 

[carlton_99]

So the rumoured trade is our Pick 26 for Hollands and Pick 38.

That 38 will come in on the draft night to 33 or 32 as GC relinquish 5 picks and probably Hawthorn 1. And our 26 will come in to 25 when GC relinquish 1 pick.

So basically the deal will be our 25 for Hollands and 32.

Which means so far it will be Fisher + 17 for Hollands + 21 + 32.

Just in terms of draft value 26 for 38 + Hollands would value him at pick 51. However, as you say 38 would likely come into ~32-33 which would in reality value Hollands at ~60 based on draft points differential. A massive win if it eventuates but I do find it a bit hard to believe that GC would let him go that cheaply.

 

[Sheephead]

I want to know why Wicks is still unsigned

Me too. Hope he’s one of the 2 vets we‘re supposedly looking at. Maybe Dow for pick 56 which goes to SYD. Dow for Wicks I’d be happy with. The Billings talk is Hyperbole I reckon.

 

[Stamos]

A massive steal if it eventuates

Only if he becomes a good player.

 

[tarczonandjane]

Billings is an ordinary conditional footballer, that would be a horrible decision…

But if we got him, he’d be our ordinary conditional footballer

 

[carlton_99]

Only if he becomes a good player.

Ofc we want that but at ~pick 60 it's a pretty low risk move.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Billings is an ordinary conditional footballer, that would be a horrible decision…

Why aren't clubs chasing Jack Billings?

A jack of all trades, but a master of none, the once highly-rated junior may want out of Moorabbin but nobody is biting.

www.zerohanger.com

His injury list is very impressive, kicked 5 & had 30 once & never came close again

 

[Faz 2000]

I’m gunna say that looks ok before the trade nerds come in and tell us how *in terrible it is.

It’ll look pretty smashing if E Hollands turns out to be the best player traded this off season.

 

[MitchRobinson12]

Very happy with Hollands on the cheap I think we will get he best out of him too, was he a Carlton supporter too?

Billings like someone mentioned above is a cream player and is a type we need, due diligence needed on his injury history but for the right price he could flourish in a new environment.

Wicks has been mentioned but would be be over stocked of this type if we got the 2 names mentioned above?

Hopefully we are still in plans to trade up to a higher pick. Lots to play out over the next 2 days.

 

[haveago]

So the rumoured trade is our Pick 26 for Hollands and Pick 38.

That 38 will come in on the draft night to 33 or 32 as GC relinquish 5 picks and probably Hawthorn 1. And our 26 will come in to 25 when GC relinquish 1 pick.

So basically the deal will be our 25 for Hollands and 32.

Which means so far it will be Fisher + 17 for Hollands + 21 + 32.

Way too much IMO for a guy with injury issues and can't get a game up there.

Gold Coast don't seem to rate him.

Don't think he is even close to an Acres (I know different positions) and we had to give up nothing like the above
for him.

Keep our powder dry and seek better options IMO.

 

[carlton_99]

Me too. Hope he’s one of the 2 vets we‘re supposedly looking at. Maybe Dow for pick 56 which goes to SYD. Dow for Wicks I’d be happy with. The Billings talk is Hyperbole I reckon.

He was playing for the Swans consistently in the back half of 2023 and they didn't really bring in anyone in that position. Would surprise me if they didn't re-sign him