Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[crocodilian]

If we go to the draft now we can match any bid on the Campos...............Trading or not trading Kemp has no influence on that

Yes it does, you start with your next pick after a bid is put in place, not at the end when you want

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

32 wouldn't be lost in the Campo bids most likely. We can do the Campo bids now

If a bid comes before that pick it absolutely is lost. We don't get to decide which picks make up the points to match, it starts with our next pick and it keeps deleting them until points are matched. Ben is seen as a talent around that area, and there is no doubt in my mind there'll be a club or two who bids before then to make sure we lose that pick.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Explain to me then what happens if we hold Pick #32 and someone nominates Ben Camporeale at Pick #31.

I’ll tell you what happens, we are left with a tank full of worthless late picks that we’ve accrued and won’t use.


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[ferrisb]

Here are all the trades we are currently working on with other teams. I guarantee none will be announced before 2pm

Adelaide

• Darcy - It would be good to have a Fogarty on our list that actually kicks goals
• Jones - It would be good to have a defender on our list that can actually Chayce

Brisbane

• Hugh McCluggage- We need more outside run so badly I would fly up to Brisbane, pack his bags and drive him to the airport. Plus... I'd really like to answer 'How much luggage could McCluggage lug if MucCluggage could lug luggage?'
• Bailey - he could rotate with Williams up forward. They could train for interchanging with 'Zac's on, zac's off'

Collingwood

• Isaac Quaynor - our gameplan needs more IQ

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• Shiel - Forget the private jet this time. A couple of cab vouchers would probably do the trick

Freo

• Alex Pearce - once we add NGA kids next year, we could have the interchange 'Pearce off, Ison is on'...

Geelong

• SDK - can never have enough Blues Brothers

Gold Coast

• Alex Sexton - Moved to defence this year. The perfect fit once Silvagni moves to CHB

GWS

• Coniglio - Just as a test case to see if SOS tries to recruit him next year

Hawthorn

• Dylan Moore - please sir, can we have some?
• Grainger-Barras - together with Tom Barrass
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  8.8

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  = Barassi @ Carlton

Melbourne

• McVee - Once we have Barassi, we need to bring back Judd
• Oliver - we desperately need more inside mids at Carlton

North Melbourne

• Comben - he only kicked 3 goals all year. All three were against Carlton in round 19. You know it makes sense
• LDU - We tried to right the Dow wrong with Cerra. This would complete the redemption
• Fisher - see Coniglio

Port

• Butters - We ask for him but Port send us a different player. Austin exclaims 'I can't believe it's not Butters!'
• Rozee - Walsh vs Rozee? Porque no los dos?
• Narkle - I'll be waiting for him to make a mistake so I can scream out '**** Narkle!'

Richmond

• Picks only - the cupboard is more bare than Old Mother Hubbard's
• Coulthard, Mansell & Clark - Not for recruitment, but I want to see these three race each other

St Kilda

• Henry, Higgins - they can teach our players that 'do little'

Sydney

• Papley - only if we can get Ryan O'Keefe to come out of retirement

WCE

• Barrass - see Hawthorn
• Cripps, McGovern - Pokemon, collect them all!

Bulldogs

• Daniel - A player I look up to (literally)
• Bont - Just for KohPhi
• Liberatore - A Libba at Carlton. What could go wrong?

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

Teams can go into a deficit in a bid for a player. It means we might lose a pick in next year's draft.

Yeah...nah.

Pick 32 would be used in the event a bid comes before pick 32.

 

[Stamos]

If we go to the draft now we can match any bid on the Campos...............Trading or not trading Kemp has no influence on that

If we trade Kemp for a pick that comes after a Campo bid then we have traded him for essentially nothing.

 

[Soapy V]

we are not trading him for nothing.................it potentially would open up more for Tom De Koning to re-sign

It could well be wasted on Campo bid. Way too risky

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I’ll tell you what happens, we are left with a tank full of worthless late picks that we’ve accrued and won’t use.


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Exactly. And the pick we traded Kemp for becomes Ben Camporeale, which we could have used the late picks we've accumulated to match. Meaning we would trade Kemp for effectively nothing.

 

[kingkingston]

Kemp is worth a late teens pick or future first. It is a pick that delivers a player of the quality of whitlock or berry,

He is worth a late second or third-rounder in this draft...............under contract though so that is why you might be able to get a pick around pick 20.

 

[serenityNow]

32 would be a great get. We need to stop asking the world for our players and over-rating their worth in a trade market. Take the heart out of it and use the head.

 

[kingkingston]

It could well be wasted on Campo bid. Way too risky

We will get them

 

[dragonsblues]

I assume we would be looking for future picks for Kennedy and potentially Kemp and then live trade into this years draft on draft night to avoid the possibility of campo pick being swallowed by a bid?

 

[Soapy V]

We will get them

Cripes

 

[dumb]

i like caleb daniel

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Caleb Daniel

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19.5

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11.1

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3.6

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1.0

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16.4

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7.2

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3.4

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, neat player. but like him less in our line-up. boyd/wilson should be players we hope do the things caleb has done in the past.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I assume we would be looking for future picks for Kennedy and potentially Kemp and then live trade into this years draft on draft night to avoid the possibility of campo pick being swallowed by a bid?

Apparently we want picks in this years draft not next years

 

[BigFrizz36]

Yes it does, you start with your next pick after a bid is put in place, not at the end when you want

True, but the most likely person to make a bid (based on previous form) would be SOS with 32.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

would everyone be more comfortable with pick 25 (for Kennedy) when it comes to risk of campo bid?

 

[kingkingston]

Stop over-rating our players like so many do here. Especially fringe players

Some think fringe players should get us top 20 picks...........

 

[CJMB]

We will get them

We’ll get them anyway.

If the only benefit to trading out kemp is his very reasonable contract, why not just make it easy for him then and trade him for a 5th round pick? That’s potentially the same scenario as what you’re proposing

 

[Bletch]

Does Pick 32 come in a little after academy/FS bids?

No, if anything it will go out a couple.

More detail...

Here are the relevant picks:
Brisbane: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 60, 66
Essendon: 28, 31, 40, 46, 54, 65
Gold Coast: 6, 23, 39, 41, 78

Brisbane will almost certainly do a draft-night trade of 27 for lower picks.
Essendon may well keep spend 28 and 31 on Kako, but could look to do similar to Brisbane.
Gold Coast will trade out 6 and 23 for Rioli, and prob look for some late picks back.

So matching bids for Ashcroft, Kako, Marshall and Lombard will push our 32 back to 36. Essendon using 28 and 31 will bring it back to 34. And that's about it. If we're lucky it might stay at 32, but could be as bad as 36.

In any case, that 32-36 range is right in the middle of expectations for a bid on Ben Camporeale, so it makes absolutely no sense for us to trade for a pick in that range, UNLESS, we were then looking to combine it with the Kennedy pick to move up the order.

 

[dumb]

play kemp out of position as an emergency, then trade him away for diddly-squat based on his performance out of position? or before he's had a chance to even cement that? more value to us now than a middling pick.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

He is worth a late second or third-rounder in this draft...............under contract though so that is why you might be able to get a pick around pick 20.

Can you answer my question?

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

We will get them

Oh my lord that's not the point we're arguing lmao. We have the points for the Campos as it stands, you are right, but if we trade Kemp for 32, and a bid for Ben comes before 32, 32 will be used to match the bid first NO MATTER WHAT. Ergo, trading Kemp for absolutely nothing since we had enough points for the Campos regardless.

 

[juzza316]

Even if we somehow got 25 - is that also a chance to be swallowed up by a bid for BCampo? wouldnt want to tempt anyone (SOS & dodoro) at pick 24 which could be any club pending what richmond do with it.

 

[CJMB]

Can you answer my question?

Yes but will respond with the same incorrect answer