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[Tony Lynn 15]

I know many will s****** and disagree but Dow in my opinion is absolutely worth a top 10 pick on the market.

Last year his younger, less skilled and less proven brother was selected at pick 19 due to his burst of pace. Dow has fantastic traits for a midfielder, can win contested ball and can burst from packs. He’s somewhat proven at AFL level and is only 21/22. If he tidies up his defensive mindset then he’s easily worth a top 10 pick IMO.

Mate please. It matters not what you "think" nor where his brother was taken in the draft. What matters in his trade value is what he has produced and he is that far from demanding a top 10 pick it is not even funny.

 

[What else we can do]

I think everyone’s missing something here.The REAL reason why Clarkson isn’t coaching us is that Gill said NO!


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Your on the money there

 

[blue healer]

He does, how so?
What football club has he ever ran or coached before at elite level?
Did he not play a role in appointing our previous two coaches, we sacked?

He has no expertise to select our next coach. So how you guess he does, is crazy logic at this point.
If he smart, he knows this and knows Greg Williams has a lot more football club and football department workings than Sayers could ever dream to know

I thought the sarcasm in my post was dripping.

I agree he is none of those things, my point was that despite this I fear that he will ultimately do our club far more harm than good based on his first week.

 

[footyfan1978]

As for the Liddle/LLoyd part of your post, like many others, your dislike for these two is showing in your hopes.

It is lack of trust in them up to jobs they doing. I actually do not know Lloyd well enough to even know if I would dislike him. Seems reasonable guy to me but not sure how he got the role he currently in and not much has gone right at football level in much of time he been there. I happy to see them go if I do not trust their decision making. I just have no trust they up to what we actually need at this club to become seriously good. Hence, I will be happy when I know they are replaced asap. No fun as supporter being scared key decision makers in your club are not up to it.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Harvs just sounds like a typical assistant coach type and not head coach material. You do not make the same mistake twice.

Right Cain?

What mistake is that Einstein?

 

[marcmurphy3]

He does, how so?
What football club has he ever ran or coached before at elite level?
Did he not play a role in appointing our previous two coaches, we sacked?

He has no expertise to select our next coach. So how you guess he does, is crazy logic at this point.
If he smart, he knows this and knows Greg Williams has a lot more football club and football department workings than Sayers could ever dream to know

The selection committee appointed by the board will select their preferred candidate for head coach. That candidate will then be put to the board for approval. That is how the process will work. Luke Sayers will not be selecting the coach but will be a part of the approval process as boards traditionally are.

 

[katmanblue]

I don’t know, the team first ethos is a good thing to have.

I do feel his game plan is very taxing on the playing group. I mean he has a reasonable track record for getting players to turn careers around (Walters a big example) but I think there will be a fair bit of pain initially with him. How has time out of the game affected him? Not sure. Will there need to be a turnover of the playing list to fit his style? Can he adapt his style to the list?

I honestly can’t tell if it’s a good fit or a bad fit. I think there would need to be a big process to address the questions I guess.

As a bloke though he seems like a knob though

Good bloke hasn't worked out too well for us recently.

 

[Blue Bloods]

You can barely blame him though from saying no BEFORE Teague was even sacked. Why would the master coach want blood on his hands? That's why there's still an outside chance he may backflip now AFTER Teague is gone so he doesn't have to wear any blame. Or he may just have a holiday for a year and coach GC 2023. We'll see.

It certainly can’t hurt to ask again. But he did say early and repeated often that he planed to have a year off and that is what he did. All the media speculation is just that.

Maybe just maybe he wants a year off and as Eddie said “blow a $900,000 cigar in Jeff’s face for a year.”

 

[footyfan1978]

I thought the sarcasm in my post was dripping.

I agree he is none of those things, my point was that despite this I fear that he will ultimately do our club far more harm than good based on his first week.

Ok, thanks for explaining.
I do not have a set opinion on what he going to be like. Need to see more of what he says and does before can truly judge. I can only judge him as part of board we had for some time and that board made a lot of mistakes with the important football key decision maker selections.
Too early to call how different he will be as president of that board. One thing clear though, he more decisive than previous president on things to do with football side of club.

 

[Cripptonite]

Mate please. It matters not what you "think" nor where his brother was taken in the draft. What matters in his trade value is what he has produced and he is that far from demanding a top 10 pick it is not even funny.

Let’s agree to disagree. A player’s trade value is not only what they achieve to that point in time. There are projections for potential improvement in young players based on their traits and how they cope in a professional environment. It’s not just about runs on the board.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I know many will s****** and disagree but Dow in my opinion is absolutely worth a top 10 pick on the market.

Last year his younger, less skilled and less proven brother was selected at pick 19 due to his burst of pace. Dow has fantastic traits for a midfielder, can win contested ball and can burst from packs. He’s somewhat proven at AFL level and is only 21/22. If he tidies up his defensive mindset then he’s easily worth a top 10 pick IMO.

I agree with you, in a professional football environment, Dow is worth pick 5. Please bring back SoS for Trade week.

 

[GoBlues!]

I’ve heard from someone ITK (at another club) that Clarko was very close to accepting our offer until The Big House intervened and made us include the $900k Hawks we’re going to pay in our soft cap as well as averaging out the backed ended deal into next year and 2023. Combined with Teague’s payout it was going to blow our soft cap so we had to walk away from Clarko.


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Tbh this doesn't make sense to me. AFL said if Clarko coaches another team next year the Hawks payout could be spread over 2 years at $450k/yr if required, to avoid a team paying say $400k and the Hawks subsidising the difference of $500k next year.

Hawks ask AFL to close off Clarkson deal loophole

Hawthorn went to the AFL to ensure that the Hawks would not be paying a huge chunk of Alastair Clarkson’s contract next year if the four-time premiership coach crossed to Carlton or Collingwood.

www.theage.com.au

If Carlton paid Clarko >$450k/yr, the Hawks wouldn't have to pay out anything for Clarko's contract.

I'd assume we'd have to include Clarko's salary in our soft cap as well as DTs payout next year. What is this ITK trying to say?

 

[footyfan1978]

The selection committee appointed by the board will select their preferred candidate for head coach. That candidate will then be put to the board for approval. That is how the process will work. Luke Sayers will not be selecting the coach but will be a part of the approval process as boards traditionally are.

Exactly, all he involved in, is approving or disapproving their choice and in 99% of cases he going to have to back what Diesel concludes, whom will head the selection committee.

 

[Proud 2 be Blue]

It has happened to us enough times that we should be pre-empting these sorts of decisions before we approach prospects. Get the AFL rule book get clarification beforehand.

Pretty hard when the rules changed last Tuesday when AFL thought we’d get Clarko


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[footyfan1978]

What mistake is that Einstein?

Picking someone to be head coach that just assistant coach material and trying to do things on the cheap...

 

[Funk]

ridiculous and more of the same carlton mentality that has us exactly where we are - every coach says he can do it - dt is/was a first time senior coach - do you get that he needs to develop the same as the players? if that means he requires more than initially thought, what's the problem? maybe flexibility through extra support might be something worth looking at in the future, beyond a first time coach's w/l numbers through the worst pandemic the planet has seen in a century?

Then we agree to disagree.

I’m with Judd on this one - no training wheels.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Picking someone to be head coach that just assistant coach material and trying to do things on the cheap...

Doesn't rule out every experienced assistant with the capacity to take the next step.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Let’s agree to disagree. A player’s trade value is not only what they achieve to that point in time. There are projections for potential improvement in young players based on their traits and how they cope in a professional environment. It’s not just about runs on the board.

No club in their right mind is giving up a top 10 for Dow.

 

[rp84]

I’d be happy with him averaging 20+… wasn’t a big possession winner as a junior either.

He will go to another level again, but agree - fitness and AFL standard defensive effort have to be a non negotiable.

We need a full time mid to average minimum 24+ IMO. No matter how damaging..he'll be 60-70% CBA and needs to get the football

 

[footyfan1978]

I agree with you, in a professional football environment, Dow is worth pick 5. Please bring back SoS for Trade week.

In a professional football environment you do not trade him unless you get something better in value for what you put into him.
He too young to be making a call to cut and trade for a lot less than you invested into him.
We'd be ****ing dumb to do it. If a club offered another player of similar age that was key defender and had similar scope for improvement. you would consider that but trading for just a much lower pick, would make no sense in terms of list management strategy.

 

[Blue Bloods]

Tbh this doesn't make sense to me. AFL said if Clarko coaches another team next year the Hawks payout could be spread over 2 years at $450k/yr if required, to avoid a team paying say $400k and the Hawks subsidising the difference of $500k next year.

Hawks ask AFL to close off Clarkson deal loophole

Hawthorn went to the AFL to ensure that the Hawks would not be paying a huge chunk of Alastair Clarkson’s contract next year if the four-time premiership coach crossed to Carlton or Collingwood.

www.theage.com.au

If Carlton paid Clarko >$450k/yr, the Hawks wouldn't have to pay out anything for Clarko's contract.

I'd assume we'd have to include Clarko's salary in our soft cap as well as DTs payout next year. What is this ITK trying to say?

Yep, that is exactly how it would be. there is no conspiracy from the AFL, but yes Gill will do anything in his power to get Clarkson to GC.
Even then the soft cap can be broken there is just a tax/fine, correct me if I’m wrong. So if it was about the money or soft cap we would have just offered more.

 

[gab213]

I think everyone’s missing something here.The REAL reason why Clarkson isn’t coaching us is that Gill said NO!


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This is pretty funny, Clarkson doesn't strike me as the type who is going to take direction from AFL House. More the type to use his own influence to get what he wants from them.

 

[blue healer]

The selection committee appointed by the board will select their preferred candidate for head coach. That candidate will then be put to the board for approval. That is how the process will work. Luke Sayers will not be selecting the coach but will be a part of the approval process as boards traditionally are.

Who's on the selection committee and if this is going to happen why is Sayers already contacting potential coaches?

 

[footyfan1978]

Doesn't rule out every experienced assistant with the capacity to take the next step.

No, some assistants are head coach material. Seeing the difference is the tricky part.

Many are not and out of their depth if trying to make massive jump to head coach.
Like Teague, Harvey comes across as only assistant coach material. Head coach is a whole other world in way clubs are run now.
If you too timid to be head coach, it is just better sticking to what you good at, assisting the head coaches.

 

[Aphrodite]

Perhaps, on the other hand I think it's healthy we have a board challenge, if only to keep the current regime on their toes. There has to be some kind of accountability at board level for our team constantly underperforming on field.

Doesn't sound to me that Clarkson's heart was fully set on coaching us in the first place. I wouldn't lose sleep over it mate.

Disagree Elmer.

Not needed at all IMO.