Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[La Dispute]

Those two games he was given more time in his natural position. Funny how his form spiked in those two games though right. Shows that if given the opportunity to play in the correct spot he will be enormous value for Essendon. He’s exactly what they need.

He was down the pecking order with us, fair enough we can’t hang onto everyone. But that’s a big hit to our immediate depth should we have another mare of a year to injury. Whilst he never set the world on fire on the wing he at least could be relied upon to play multiple positions.

We really need Philp, Carroll, Cuningham, and Kemp to step up. The club is putting huge faith in these guys.

What are the chances 2 of our best 3 mids would go down at the same time again? We also missed Walsh that last Collingwood match who can play well on the inside if needed. Cerra is also very capable at the stoppages and performed really well in an inside role when we played him there.

I’m hopeful on Carroll getting more inside mid time next year.

One of Setterfield or Dow was always going to be pushed out. Setters was uncontracted so he was always more likely to leave the club first.

I really think a lot of posters are being blindsided by Setterfield’s last couple of games. Prior to that his work as an inside midfielder was patchy at best, but we probably didn’t realise how far back he was - partly due to missing a whole year of developments and having to rehab.

He was basically a new draftee when he got to the club.

Hope they trial Kemp in there at some point over the pre-season. We haven’t really given him roles where he’s had to hunt the ball and maybe he doesn’t suit a more stagnant role down back. He has good speed and attacks the contest hard. He’s currently without a current clear position, so maybe we see if he can can impact as a dynamic mid.

 

[katmanblue]

I think Dow (should we retain him) will start to shine if we give him more than 1 consecutive game.

I’d like him to shine for one quarter.


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[katmanblue]

Such grace


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[teddy-hopkins]

Setters plus a pick we weren't going to use for a pick that might (in a small way) help us move up to pick 3.

That is fine.

If we're going up to pick 3 to get Sheezle though I'd be cautious. Smart player but he might not be quick enough for AFL level.

 

[smashbox gill]

What are the chances 2 of our best 3 mids would go down at the same time again? We also missed Walsh that last Collingwood match who can play well on the inside if needed. Cerra is also very capable at the stoppages and performed really well in an inside role when we played him there.

I’m hopeful on Carroll getting more inside mid time next year.

One of Setterfield or Dow was always going to be pushed out. Setters was uncontracted so he was always more likely to leave the club first.

I really think a lot of posters are being blindsided by Setterfield’s last couple of games. Prior to that his work as an inside midfielder was patchy at best, but we probably didn’t realise how far back he was - partly due to missing a whole year of developments and having to rehab.

He was basically a new draftee when he got to the club.

Hope they trial Kemp in there at some point over the pre-season. We haven’t really given him roles where he’s had to hunt the ball and maybe he doesn’t suit a more stagnant role down back. He has good speed and attacks the contest hard. He’s currently without a current clear position, so maybe we see if he can can impact as a dynamic mid.

Carrol needs 1 more preseason on Cripps farm and he’ll be right imo

 

[CJMB]

Carrol needs 1 more preseason on Cripps farm and he’ll be right imo

He’s still only 19. Really young.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Unfortunately, we cant afford Grundy. And people here dont like it very much when you mention trading TDK, they get all upset about it.

Grundy might turn into one of the greatest white horse's ever....

You'd have to question whether he'll ever re capture his pre super contract form...

 

[Magical_EddieBetts]

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3.6

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2.3

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8.6

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said on SEN this morning that they would like to keep picks 2 and 3 but are open to trading pick 3 especially if it strengthens their hand in next year draft. Maybe we can do a deal centred around our future first

 

[FRUMPY]

Unfortunately his body of work over the last four seasons has been massively underwhelming. Two good games at the end of four season, doesn't make up for it. That people are losing their minds over him is quite amusing.

Agree with this - sure the 2 games were decent (nothing outstanding but would get picked based on that form) but you cant just ignore the other games over the last few years with little urgency and next to zero output.

Not sure we should be crying over trading a depth player

 

[RPCB]

Agree with this - sure the 2 games were decent (nothing outstanding but would get picked based on that form) but you cant just ignore the other games over the last few years with little urgency and next to zero output.

Not sure we should be crying over trading a depth player

A depth player to our depth players.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Brady Rawlings said on SEN this morning that they would like to keep picks 2 and 3 but are open to trading pick 3 especially if it strengthens their hand in next year draft. Maybe we can do a deal centred around our future first

I reckon to get up to 3 we're looking at 10(11) plus our future first, then it's a question of what comes back.

Given Port already have 2x first rounders next year (theirs and Port's), as well as their natural 2nd and 3rd round picks, they can offload those future picks without any restriction.

Given we've traded our future third to Freo, we'd need a future third rounder (or better) coming back in order to meet the requirements.

Current hands:

Carlton
2022 - 10, 29, 49, 66
2023 - ~14, 33, 56 (Ess), 70

North
2022 - 2, 3, 40, 43, 59, 70
2023 - ~1, 10 (PA), 20, 39

Think the pitch would need to look like our Pick 10, future ~14 and future ~56 for their Pick 3 and future ~39. It's about 320pts in favour of NM on the draft index, which passes the sniff test given we're moving up the board.

There's a little bit of risk involved for both sides, though I think we're a better chance of "overperforming" in 2023 and sending NM a future Pick around 16, than we are "underperforming" and sending them a top 10 pick. We finished a hair outside the top 8 despite a horrendous injury run, in the first year under a new coach, with a relatively young list - we should improve.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Brady Rawlings said on SEN this morning that they would like to keep picks 2 and 3 but are open to trading pick 3 especially if it strengthens their hand in next year draft. Maybe we can do a deal centred around our future first

We'd probably look at trading #49 for a F3 so that way we can offload the F1 + #10...

Not a fan of doing this tbh.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I reckon to get up to 3 we're looking at 10(11) plus our future first, then it's a question of what comes back.

Given Port already have 2x first rounders next year (theirs and Port's), as well as their natural 2nd and 3rd round picks, they can offload those future picks without any restriction.

Given we've traded our future third to Freo, we'd need a future third rounder (or better) coming back in order to meet the requirements.

Current hands:

Carlton
2022 - 10, 29, 49, 66
2023 - ~14, 33, 56 (Ess), 70

North
2022 - 2, 3, 40, 43, 59, 70
2023 - ~1, 10 (PA), 20, 39

Think the pitch would need to look like our Pick 10, future ~14 and future ~56 for their Pick 3 and future ~39. It's about 320pts in favour of NM on the draft index, which passes the sniff test given we're moving up the board.

There's a little bit of risk involved for both sides, though I think we're a better chance of "overperforming" in 2023 and sending NM a future Pick around 16, than we are "underperforming" and sending them a top 10 pick. We finished a hair outside the top 8 despite a horrendous injury run, in the first year under a new coach, with a relatively young list - we should improve.

Deal passes the 'sniff test' but the big question is: Is trading up the way to go?
If we had pick 3 I might be keen to split it

 

[CJMB]

Instead of trading up to 3 I think I’d rather keep 10 and do some smaller scale trading to improve our 3rd pick. Draft at 10, 29 and another 2nd round would be pretty good, leaving our future first intact.

 

[Arr0w]

Deal passes the 'sniff test' but the big question is: Is trading up the way to go?
If we had pick 3 I might be keen to split it

Swans have indicated they are keen to package up 14 and 17 for an earlier pick, unfortunately pick 10 might not be enough

But, more open to doing this type of trade, rather than gunning for pick 3

 

[Stamos]

Swans have indicated they are keen to package up 14 and 17 for an earlier pick, unfortunately pick 10 might not be enough

But, more open to doing this type of trade, rather than gunning for pick 3

Yeah, sounds like they're aiming higher.

Giants have 15, 18, & 19.
Aside from them, doesn't look like many teams have something to really offer this year for them to move up to #10. Would require futures.

 

[TENACIOUS]

The obsession on here to trade up for Sheezle... Is quite amusing...

If we wanted an x-factor forward, why not trade for an actual AFL proven one with pick 10 or a F1st, not both...

 

[Blue Flame]

Love what the mods have done with their room.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I know it’s shooting Bambi- but if we want to move up/get extra picks.
Fish & 10 to West Coast - 8 & 20 back, 20 & 29 for early teens (& maybe a little of something late/future) pick back?
Am prepared to be be smashed for this- just spit balling

 

[Blue__Balls]

The obsession on here to trade up for Sheezle... Is quite amusing...

If we wanted an x-factor forward, why not trade for an actual AFL proven one with pick 10 or a F1st, not both...

The inclination for people to brand hypothetical discussion based on a combination of rumours and club comments as "obsession"... is quite disrespectful...

If we wanted to trade Pick 10 or a future first for an actual AFL proven an x-factor forward...well, we don't have the cap space for that, do we.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Heard from a Carlton AFLW Player that Setters never really gelled with the group, was a bit of an outsider at the Blues. Had a couple good mates, but wasn't fully buying into our culture. Might explain another reason to move him on. She said he was a really nice guy, but just not super involved within the inner circle as far as she could tell.

 

[macky99]

Really? The club doesn’t need to win the trade period or make it entertaining for fans. Our 22/23 is already stronger for next season and then we add some kids in the draft. What’s wrong with that?

Yeah, sounds like they're aiming higher.

Giants have 15, 18, & 19.
Aside from them, doesn't look like many teams have something to really offer this year for them to move up to #10. Would require futures.

The stats indicate otherwise with the probability of obtaining a quality player in the 1st 10-12 selections VS 13-25 is much higher, keeping our 1st selection makes more sense, if we drop back most of the players on our shortlist are likely to be gone, we should be able to obtain a good player at 10 and look more on a needs basis at 29.

 

[Juice030103]

The obsession on here to trade up for Sheezle... Is quite amusing...

If we wanted an x-factor forward, why not trade for an actual AFL proven one with pick 10 or a F1st, not both...

We don’t have enough young guns 18-22. We need to strengthen the post McKay weitering Curnow age bracket

 

[FRUMPY]

Heard from a Carlton AFLW Player that Setters never really gelled with the group, was a bit of an outsider at the Blues. Had a couple good mates, but wasn't fully buying into our culture. Might explain another reason to move him on. She said he was a really nice guy, but just not super involved within the inner circle as far as she could tell.

Social media posts from players - Setters is always in the groups.....

 

[Stamos]

The stats indicate otherwise with the probability of obtaining a quality player in the 1st 10-12 selections VS 13-25 is much higher, keeping our 1st selection makes more sense, if we drop back most of the players on our shortlist are likely to be gone, we should be able to obtain a good player at 10 and look more on a needs basis at 29.

It seems that this is a strange draft though, with very different evaluations of the players by the recruiters, and thought to be pretty even from the mid first round to the mid second.
You might still be able to get the player you like, and another one.

Another option might be to use either F1 or F2 to get a player we want somewhere between our 2 current picks. 2023 picks seem to hold more value than 2022 ones.