Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[j09948772]

Not happy with our AA half back?

 

[Arr0w]

You said 'If looking at a smaller forward I'd prefer O'Driscoll'... Who plays as a wing and has no proven ability as a full time small forward. Delean in comparison has played forward nearly his entire junior career and has consistently been a prolific goal scorer throughout.

The bolded are contradictory to one another. Yes, there is more to a small forwards game than just kicking goals, but if he consistently hits the scoreboard as a goal sneak that means he's doing the core of his job consistently. If Owies kicked 50 goals in a season none of us would care if he was averaging 5 disposals a game, his main role in the team is to apply pressure and bob up for a goal or two making the most of his limited opportunities. Disposals up the ground, overall score involvements and turning the ball over via pressure are areas for Delean to improve upon but playing as a forward pocket, he's almost as consistent as they come

If you want a small forward in that range, yes Delean over O'Driscoll, no debate at all

if you want more versatility I'd take O'Driscoll, someone that can and has impacted as a small forward but can and has shown he can play up the ground

Only pure small forward I'd be interested in is Watson, who can also be damaging around the ball

 

[Kramer1]

I think it would be far easier to recruit Hollands from the SA or WA teams.

That's a weird thing to say Kramer, why would you say that?

 

[Kramer1]

That's a weird thing to say Kramer, why would you say that?

Because you always pass the Dutchy from the left hand side...

 

[TerryWallet]

Just on the Caddy subject, i saw him interviewed by Twomey about a month ago. I was more in the not really sold on Caddy cohort at the time. Bit of a tweener, looked a bit lairy and lethargic.

Was really impressed with the interview. Seemed intelligent and balanced. And speaking easily with Cal, a fair bit of info and context came out. He had significant hurdles this year with a leg setback early which would have put his running preparation behind the 8 ball. Then he had an illness just before the Champs that hung around longer than expected. Sounded genuine and not just coming up with excuses. I was impressed and it put what i had seen of his play into better context.

I remember rating Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

down in his year a bit because of a lacklustre Champs game, but later found out he had context in that his best mate died during that week. I was too stubborn to change my rating still(about 10, where he actually went). Mistake.

Caddy is an intriguing prospect for us. IF we get 8, which i doubt. If he thrives at AFL, which i now lean to that he will, he could take us to a new dangerous level.

I wouldn't be disappointed in us taking the leap of faith IF we can get Pick 8. He's got a package that COULD really breakout on the big stage. O'Sullivan or Caddy look the 2 for our team/list imo.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Kempy in 17 is super appropriate for mine. I have him the closest in type to Crosswell since the great man made Princes Park home.

An incidental topic, but quite interesting.

Jack Carroll has Campo’s old number and absolutely is entering a career defining year. If he can’t get semi regular senior games, or at least dominate the twos, it is hard to see him on the list post 2024, which could free up #16 for one of Campo’s boys. The Campo boys have been wearing a variety of numbers, none of which have been 16 in juniors.

The other question is if we allocate the #35 of stalwart Ed Curnow? On a couple of occasions through the season, Hudson O’Keeffe surprisingly wore #35 in the twos and “looked good” in it.

The Campo boys have regularly worn 1 and 2, at rep level, with Lucas wearing 1 at club level with Ben in #11.

It is hard to believe that 2 and 4 will be kept vacant for a couple of draftees the following year.

Further to the numbers game, if recruited does E.Hollands take up the now vacant #36 he has worn at the Suns? Theoretically with 34,35, and 36 vacant we could put the Irish in adjacent lockers, but would it be better to surround them by mentors rather than “segregation”

Nothing overly important, but hey 10 minutes of incursion in to my bored existence.

Not important ???

For a Carlton numbers tragic like me it’s important we put thought into these things. Numbers like 2 and 4 need to be respected - two of greatest leaders.

…. and don’t get me started on No. 25. Have a signed Jezza guernsey hanging in my home office.


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[Bamboo Harvester]

Firstly, I wasn't comparing Delean and O'Drisscoll as just playing a pure forward role ans as stated previously, moreso looking for a player that could play forward and on ball

Yes, Delean does kick goals in all his outings, but how does that contradict my statement of him being on or quiet. More to a small forwards game, than just kicking goals at junior level

I wouldn't mind either as a 3rd pick ( if we added another late 2nd/early 3rd, I'd just lean to O'Driscoll

Delean's an interesting one....I've seen him rated as high as pick 13 and as low as pick 35 in the various player ratings.

If we were to keep our current picks, the one's I'd be targeting who could be available around our selections would be two of Charlie Edwards, Koen Sanchez and Logan Morris....although if Collard was still on the board, it'd be pretty tempting.

At a later pick, either Billy Wilson or Phoenix Gothard are the ones I'm keen on, depending on who we've picked up beforehand.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Walsh #2??

I don’t mind this


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[SpiritOfCarlton]

Walsh #2??

I do not think Walsh would be too happy being moved to another number after playing 99 games in 18 and denied his name on the locker..

 

[Christou2Kouta]

This is the kid I'd take in the 2nd round if we wanted a 3rd tall forward

I saw Morris play live in that game against WA where he kicked four goals. Beautiful hands, great reader of the play and neat skills. I do worry that he might be a touch too small and a touch too slow for the AFL. He reminds me of Digby Morrell.

It will be interesting to see if he has scope for some athletic development when he gets into a professional setting.


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[Just Kreuzing]

I don’t mind this


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Hopefully he gets Fotia’s blessing…..

 

[BigFrizz36]

Because you always pass the Dutchy from the left hand side...

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Points given for joke quality.

Points taken off for having to post yourself to set up the punchline.

 

[Kramer1]

Points given for joke quality.

Points taken off for having to post yourself to set up the punchline.

Well I'd be a long time waiting for this board to catch up...with a handful of exceptions...you know who you are.

 

[Blue since 72]

Because you always pass the Dutchy from the left hand side...

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[Coona Blues]

First off, O'Driscoll plays predominately off a wing. He rotates fwd on occasion but he's by no means a specialist small fwd. In interviews he even says he mainly plays wing with little stints up forward, but mainly plays in the midfield.

Secondly, Delean is renowned for his ability to nearly always hit the scoreboard in games regardless of if he's having a day out or not. Averages 3 goals a game as the SANFL U18's leading goalkicker this season. Kicked over 50 goals this year across 20 games at all levels... Not sure I'd say that's someone who goes quiet too often?

Not advocating for either player, but to compare them and make out as if O'Driscoll is a consistent fwd option while Delean is hot and cold is simply incorrect.

Going to speak to the other side of this. Delean is a talent, but has shown next to no defensive intent in the games I have seen. He is a quality goal kicker. Our structure demands that our small forwards work up the ground. Delean has the skills to become in a star. In another era would be a great get. Will need to step up his workrate and defensive mindset to make it in modern footy.

Yes, O’Driscoll has been wing first at the lower level. His skill set, athleticism and intent are tailor made for the modern game. Small forwards in the AFL almost all work up the ground and in to defence. He kicked multiple goals in his championship games playing wing/forward. He screams classic modern small forward and would be an excellent option if selected for the role.

I would be far more confident drafting O’Driscoll than Delean, but readily concede that Delean has the potential to be a star,
IF he embraces defensive work rate.

 

[katmanblue]

Hooray!!

I like the sound of that no8 beer.
Here's to that.

Did you just say ?

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[myblueroan]

Did you just say ?

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Just say nose!

 

[bradfisher14]

I can’t find the guernsey numbers topic from previous years but one of the Carlton facebook groups did ask a good question: who do we give our coveted numbers 2, 4 and 25 to?

New draft picks? Current players who have shown enough? eg Kemp

Or do we save some for the Camporeale brothers? Jack Carroll may not play beyond 2024 so giving one of the boys their olds man’s 16 is a possibility. Or do we give them 2 and 4 because the mathematician in me loves that 2^4 and 4^2 = 16




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Think we will see the following:
#2 - Caddy/first round selection
#4 - Binns
#20 - E. Hollands
#25 - Collard/second round selection
#32 - third round selection
#34 - Monahan
#35 - Duffy
#36 - rookie/SSP selection

 

[BlueTongue]

It’s back!

New trade burger meal, 100% inside beef, Hollandaise sauce and a silky outside bun. A developing ‘Number 8’ Draft beer included.

RB

Am I reading too much into the OP or does this expand out further than Fish's comments?
ie.
100% inside beef = Inside mid
Hollandaise sauce = Hollands
and a silky outside bun = Outside Mid with Silky skills
& Draft Beer - Pick 8

 

[bluebunz]

Any more word on Josh Sinn??

We interested or just poking around?

And where would he fit into our team?

 

[LanceRomance]

Why would Geelong trade pick 8 for anything we have?

 

[Kramer1]

Why would Geelong trade pick 8 for anything we have?

They feel bad about Mansfield, O'Reilly, Lang and Smetds?

 

[Juice030103]

Why would Geelong trade pick 8 for anything we have?

they don’t really need the players around that pick aka Caddy or O’Sullivan. Already have 2 gun key forwards and Ollie Henry, also have Sam de koning on the other end


They are setting themselves up for next offseason and if we give them our pick plus a couple seconds or something like that, it’s more beneficial for them

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Any more word on Josh Sinn??

We interested or just poking around?

And where would he fit into our team?

He’s staying at Port.

 

[Matty411]

From the WCE board

"Carlton enquiring about Elliot Yeo, Liam Duggan and Tom Cole

Baiscally said "can we have one of them please" to the Eagles

Id imagine Duggan is the movable one?"

Interesting if true.

Very interesting. Love Duggan but not sure where he fits. Yeo the most dynamic that could fit if he could just get damn fit.