Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[marcmurphy3]

I'd say in the Cerra deal we gave them a third rounder on top of pick 6. With the Saad deal we didn't try harder to split pick 8. Of course we are happy to have them but we are obviously happy to just get the deal done quickly. It puts alot of pressure on getting all your other list management moves right.

Cerra deal was pretty fair. The going rate at the time for alot of those trades was 2 1sts with a 2nd coming back. Many on here thought 6 + F2 would be a solid result so 6+ F3 was better. No point arguing for 2 weeks if you don't have to. We weren't doing much better then that.

Saad trade I agree. I am fine with it in hindsight but at the time he was probably worth a mid to late 1st not pick8. Unfortunately we were dealing with a fired up Dodo.

 

[j09948772]

Cerra deal was pretty fair. The going rate at the time for alot of those trades was 2 1sts with a 2nd coming back. Many on here thought 6 + F2 would be a solid result so 6+ F3 was better. No point arguing for 2 weeks if you don't have to. We weren't doing much better then that.

Saad trade I agree. I am fine with it in hindsight but at the time he was probably worth a mid to late 1st not pick8. Unfortunately we were dealing with a fired up Dodo.

It took us a month to close the Saad deal.

 

[Robertio]

It took us a month to close the Saad deal.

Well worth the time, effort and price.

 

[gbatman]

Caddy looks very talented. Is he the sort of player we need? Forwards definitely are on the needs list but the biggest problem we have is getting the ball to them. Our ball movement returned to rubbish again when the finals series started. A player like Caddy will thrive next year at AFL level in a team which moves the ball quick, direct and accurate. Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

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13.3

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came into finals a Coleman medalist in red hot form and couldn't get the footy in this year's finals series because our ball movement was rubbish. A youngster like Caddy wouldn't touch it if our ball movement is like that. Recruiting talented forwards and having their talents go to waste is a concern for me with our team.

What we need is a really dynamic player who can play forward and go into the middle and change the momentum of a game. Caddy looks like he could possibly do that but what is his tank like? Hollands? Not sure he is going to be that level but perhaps more of a grinder for us which is fine. He could upgrade on what we already have and give us currency next trade period.

Depends what sort of team we are as to whether Caddy is going to work for us. A good ball movement side or a slow ball movement side which allows the opposition to get numbers back most times?

My biggest concern for us next season is our midfield. It's been borderline too slow in 2023. When it wasn't for a little period we won everything. When it was we could hardly win a game. Question over us is will we be Carlton first half of 2023 or Carlton second half 2023?

Dow out Ed Curnow out. Both played a lot of games this year. We probably would not have made finals without Dow, he came in as backup and played a big hand in a couple of very very important wins. Collingwood, St Kilda, Melbourne and GCS. We are probably not getting over the line with Ed, Binns or Carroll coming in in those ones.

We will be hoping Hollands can step up in the middle but what level has he played at at AFL level? Hoping that Binns and Carroll step up a level or two and hoping our injury list is not too bad. We will have big body depth but not two way running and leg speed depth with our midfield which could be costly.

None of these fix our issue with ball movement however. Having our half backs up and running will fix a lot of it but what happened to us in finals and the first half of this year are things we need to fix to get right to progress and make the most of a talented forward line.

I think the discussion at the end of next season will revolve around who we can trade to bring in midfield depth and speed. Hoping that we will have too many big bodied mids in form. Hollands hopefully goes past Hewett and Kennedy who will hopefully have trade value. If that happens, Hewett and Kennedy are not going to want to sit in the VFL and wait as emergencies for Hollands. Try and squeeze them all in the one team and we will more than likely have a failed season. There is going to be a lot more agility and leg speed in the game next year, that is the way teams have been adjusting their lists to suite the modern game so we are going to have to do the same and we are going to be in trouble if we are not quick and agile in there.

Pick 8 would be a really good pick to have up our sleeves. If we do get Caddy I wonder if he could develop into a forward who can go into the middle. Could he develop into a Jordan De Goey

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type midfielder? Could Hollands and Caddy rotate between forward and Mid to give us the rotations we need while keeping the talent up? I'd be excited about getting Caddy. Looks to have a lot of talent.

I get a feeling that Austin and his team get this one right. Also get the feeling we are going to be up for a huge haul next trade/draft period and are likely gearing up for that. If the rumours are true we may be trying to build up our trade currency by upgrading on best 22 players, we have the Camporeale twins and are supposed to have cap space as well.

 

[carlton_99]

What we need is a really dynamic player who can play forward and go into the middle and change the momentum of a game. Caddy looks like he could possibly do that but what is his tank like? Hollands?

Nate Caddy Draft Profile

Nate Caddy is a marking machine with good speed off the mark, unique aerial range, and game-breaking ability.

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[PoultryinMotion]

This is the kid I'd take in the 2nd round if we wanted a 3rd tall forward

Looks a handy type. Protects the drop zone. Strong hands.Does Ground level smarts.
Has Jack Delean (SA) come up in conversation on here Arrow? Different type of forward I know but looks a cheeky, crafty goal sneak who might be available later in the draft.
Also, another SA boy who seems to be getting minimal press is Kane McAuliffe who is ticking all the right boxes it seems. Anyone have thoughts on either of these lads?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

This is the kid I'd take in the 2nd round if we wanted a 3rd tall forward

My friend works with him doing high performance stuff away from the Jets. Kid is a hard worker and great athlete. I like him.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Would we look at Sam Simpson

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17.0

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9.0

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8.0

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3.3

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as a HFF option? Was playing decent footy early on last year, then fractured his thumb and had complications, so didn’t play much and was delisted. He’s a gun, I’m surprised he was delisted.

 

[geelongrecruit5]

Perhaps I will deliver it this way.

IMHO, he isn't worth pick 8 and if looking for that tweener, Logan Morris is just as talented and plays both ends

Morris is nowhere near Caddy. They tried to play Morris in defence and it didn’t work, looked lost, didn’t take one intercept mark nor did he provide any run. Caddy is athletic, plays forward and a proven midfielder at times as well. Caddy has way more upside. Morris will be drafted early second round and IMO he won’t take the next step.

 

[geelongrecruit5]

My friend works with him doing high performance stuff away from the Jets. Kid is a hard worker and great athlete. I like him.

Just doesn’t have the traits to make it IMO.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Morris is nowhere near Caddy. They tried to play Morris in defence and it didn’t work, looked lost, didn’t take one intercept mark nor did he provide any run. Caddy is athletic, plays forward and a proven midfielder at times as well. Caddy has way more upside. Morris will be drafted early second round and IMO he won’t take the next step.

Just doesn’t have the traits to make it IMO.

Jesus, he take a screamer on your son or something? Deathriding a literal child. Nice!

 

[Arr0w]

Looks a handy type. Protects the drop zone. Strong hands.Does Ground level smarts.
Has Jack Delean (SA) come up in conversation on here Arrow? Different type of forward I know but looks a cheeky, crafty goal sneak who might be available later in the draft.
Also, another SA boy who seems to be getting minimal press is Kane McAuliffe who is ticking all the right boxes it seems. Anyone have thoughts on either of these lads?

If looking at a smaller forward I'd prefer O'Driscoll over Delean who is either on or very quiet

McAuliffe is the type of player I like, has high level mongrel, similar to Viney, but given our list of inside types, I would only consider him as a late pick if still available

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Despite all this talk of #8 I'm comfortable taking what we have to the draft.

 

[Arr0w]

Morris is nowhere near Caddy. They tried to play Morris in defence and it didn’t work, looked lost, didn’t take one intercept mark nor did he provide any run. Caddy is athletic, plays forward and a proven midfielder at times as well. Caddy has way more upside. Morris will be drafted early second round and IMO he won’t take the next step.

Caddy is certainly more bankable and yes has real upside if he is willing to work harder.

If Morris makes it, it will be as a forward, but does remind me of Waterman, think he can have a reasonable career if he can continue to build his endurance

 

[Tazblue]

I can’t find the guernsey numbers topic from previous years but one of the Carlton facebook groups did ask a good question: who do we give our coveted numbers 2, 4 and 25 to?

New draft picks? Current players who have shown enough? eg Kemp

Or do we save some for the Camporeale brothers? Jack Carroll may not play beyond 2024 so giving one of the boys their olds man’s 16 is a possibility. Or do we give them 2 and 4 because the mathematician in me loves that 2^4 and 4^2 = 16




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Walsh #2??

 

[RoyalBlues]

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

With the Saad deal we didn't try harder to split pick 8. Of course we are happy to have them but we are obviously happy to just get the deal done quickly. It puts alot of pressure on getting all your other list management moves right.

re: the Saad trade, you do realise that after * were gifted the compensation pick 7 for Daniher, they had the 2 picks immediately before ours. So Dodoro in his typical chest puffing manner said that if we negotiate with any club to try and split pick 8, he'd better our offer with their pick 7 - so we were gazumped.

We also received pick 48 in return as part of the trade - which may not seem much - but we subsequently packaged that in a trade to the Swans, which netted us pick 31 to grab Corey Durdin in the draft.

Not a bad outcome imo...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If looking at a smaller forward I'd prefer O'Driscoll over Delean who is either on or very quiet

McAuliffe is the type of player I like, has high level mongrel, similar to Viney, but given our list of inside types, I would only consider him as a late pick if still available

First off, O'Driscoll plays predominately off a wing. He rotates fwd on occasion but he's by no means a specialist small fwd. In interviews he even says he mainly plays wing with little stints up forward, but mainly plays in the midfield.

Secondly, Delean is renowned for his ability to nearly always hit the scoreboard in games regardless of if he's having a day out or not. Averages 3 goals a game as the SANFL U18's leading goalkicker this season. Kicked over 50 goals this year across 20 games at all levels... Not sure I'd say that's someone who goes quiet too often?

Not advocating for either player, but to compare them and make out as if O'Driscoll is a consistent fwd option while Delean is hot and cold is simply incorrect.

 

[Kramer1]

I think it would be far easier to recruit Hollands from the SA or WA teams.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Caddy looks very talented. Is he the sort of player we need? Forwards definitely are on the needs list but the biggest problem we have is getting the ball to them. Our ball movement returned to rubbish again when the finals series started. A player like Caddy will thrive next year at AFL level in a team which moves the ball quick, direct and accurate. Charlie Curnow came into finals a Coleman medalist in red hot form and couldn't get the footy in this year's finals series because our ball movement was rubbish. A youngster like Caddy wouldn't touch it if our ball movement is like that. Recruiting talented forwards and having their talents go to waste is a concern for me with our team.

What we need is a really dynamic player who can play forward and go into the middle and change the momentum of a game. Caddy looks like he could possibly do that but what is his tank like? Hollands? Not sure he is going to be that level but perhaps more of a grinder for us which is fine. He could upgrade on what we already have and give us currency next trade period.

Depends what sort of team we are as to whether Caddy is going to work for us. A good ball movement side or a slow ball movement side which allows the opposition to get numbers back most times?

My biggest concern for us next season is our midfield. It's been borderline too slow in 2023. When it wasn't for a little period we won everything. When it was we could hardly win a game. Question over us is will we be Carlton first half of 2023 or Carlton second half 2023?

Dow out Ed Curnow out. Both played a lot of games this year. We probably would not have made finals without Dow, he came in as backup and played a big hand in a couple of very very important wins. Collingwood, St Kilda, Melbourne and GCS. We are probably not getting over the line with Ed, Binns or Carroll coming in in those ones.

We will be hoping Hollands can step up in the middle but what level has he played at at AFL level? Hoping that Binns and Carroll step up a level or two and hoping our injury list is not too bad. We will have big body depth but not two way running and leg speed depth with our midfield which could be costly.

None of these fix our issue with ball movement however. Having our half backs up and running will fix a lot of it but what happened to us in finals and the first half of this year are things we need to fix to get right to progress and make the most of a talented forward line.

I think the discussion at the end of next season will revolve around who we can trade to bring in midfield depth and speed. Hoping that we will have too many big bodied mids in form. Hollands hopefully goes past Hewett and Kennedy who will hopefully have trade value. If that happens, Hewett and Kennedy are not going to want to sit in the VFL and wait as emergencies for Hollands. Try and squeeze them all in the one team and we will more than likely have a failed season. There is going to be a lot more agility and leg speed in the game next year, that is the way teams have been adjusting their lists to suite the modern game so we are going to have to do the same and we are going to be in trouble if we are not quick and agile in there.

Pick 8 would be a really good pick to have up our sleeves. If we do get Caddy I wonder if he could develop into a forward who can go into the middle. Could he develop into a Jordan De Goey type midfielder? Could Hollands and Caddy rotate between forward and Mid to give us the rotations we need while keeping the talent up? I'd be excited about getting Caddy. Looks to have a lot of talent.

I get a feeling that Austin and his team get this one right. Also get the feeling we are going to be up for a huge haul next trade/draft period and are likely gearing up for that. If the rumours are true we may be trying to build up our trade currency by upgrading on best 22 players, we have the Camporeale twins and are supposed to have cap space as well.

We do need a ZDuursma type more than Caddy to deliver into F50, but he'll be gone before Carlton's pick.
Charlie Edwards is similar to Duursma and might be worth trading up to on draft night to obtain, or can Caddy also play this role?
Agree with Batty about our poor forward delivery, makes our already dangerous forward mix look pretty average at times.

 

[geelongrecruit5]

As I have posted a few times, I am of the belief that Lemmey’s future is either as a key defender or as a third tall/second ruck as opposed to a key forward. The bloke struggles to get into the game in front of the ball. It could be developmental, or more likely in my opinion he has Liam Jones, ability but not aptitude. His better games have been playing significant minutes as second ruck, being led to the ball.

Drafting a Caddy (or Logan Morris) gives us a key forward prospect albeit more along the lines of Charlie than a traditional key forward. While he plays taller, Charlie is listed at 192cm, Caddy is in that mould. He does have a massive wingspan, allowing him to play taller. Caddy played a number of games as a midfielder, with thought he had potential in that area. This was discontinued late, as he was doing himself no favours, being quite underwhelming.

Harry and Charlie are mid twenties and have realistically 6 or 7, or more years in front of them. Another mobile Charlie type who can contribute between the arcs could definitely work, whereas Lemmey only gets a gig if he can become the back up ruck. Repurposing Lemmey back, or even as a swingman would be great for our list.

Jesus, he take a screamer on your son or something? Deathriding a literal child. Nice!

Lol no not at all….just stating the facts, I like the lad. Have been keeping a real close eye on all KPF this year, he can really play and has some football smarts but unfortunately I honestly believe he won’t take the next step. Caddy, A Reid, Walter, Lloyd, Weatherill are just a few names ahead of Morris.

 

[Arr0w]

First off, O'Driscoll plays predominately off a wing. He rotates fwd on occasion but he's by no means a specialist small fwd. In interviews he even says he mainly plays wing with little stints up forward, but mainly plays in the midfield.

Secondly, Delean is renowned for his ability to nearly always hit the scoreboard in games regardless of if he's having a day out or not. Averages 3 goals a game as the SANFL U18's leading goalkicker this season. Kicked over 50 goals this year across 20 games at all levels... Not sure I'd say that's someone who goes quiet too often?

Not advocating for either player, but to compare them and make out as if O'Driscoll is a consistent fwd option while Delean is hot and cold is simply incorrect.

Firstly, I wasn't comparing Delean and O'Drisscoll as just playing a pure forward role ans as stated previously, moreso looking for a player that could play forward and on ball

Yes, Delean does kick goals in all his outings, but how does that contradict my statement of him being on or quiet. More to a small forwards game, than just kicking goals at junior level

I wouldn't mind either as a 3rd pick ( if we added another late 2nd/early 3rd, I'd just lean to O'Driscoll

 

[GT619]

This is the kid I'd take in the 2nd round if we wanted a 3rd tall forward

Clean set of hands and timing

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Firstly, I wasn't comparing Delean and O'Drisscoll as just playing a pure forward role ans as stated previously, moreso looking for a player that could play forward and on ball

Yes, Delean does kick goals in all his outings, but how does that contradict my statement of him being on or quiet. More to a small forwards game, than just kicking goals at junior level

I wouldn't mind either as a 3rd pick ( if we added another late 2nd/early 3rd, I'd just lean to O'Driscoll

You said 'If looking at a smaller forward I'd prefer O'Driscoll'... Who plays as a wing and has no proven ability as a full time small forward. Delean in comparison has played forward nearly his entire junior career and has consistently been a prolific goal scorer throughout.

The bolded are contradictory to one another. Yes, there is more to a small forwards game than just kicking goals, but if he consistently hits the scoreboard as a goal sneak that means he's doing the core of his job consistently. If Owies kicked 50 goals in a season none of us would care if he was averaging 5 disposals a game, his main role in the team is to apply pressure and bob up for a goal or two making the most of his limited opportunities. Disposals up the ground, overall score involvements and turning the ball over via pressure are areas for Delean to improve upon but playing as a forward pocket, he's almost as consistent as they come

 

[SurreyBlue]

It took us a month to close the Saad deal.