Bombers to field VFL side vs Port

[Merv]

Why dont you include Andrew Lee in that list? By all accounts he's going to be a star when he gets fit!!!!

There must be a reason why he's still a listed player.

So now you have gone from insinuating that Essendon supporters believe he will be a star to backtracking and saying that there must be a reason he is still on the list.

You are really bad at bagging us and the funny thing is we are so easy to bag atm as we are wounded and playing disgraceful football, yet you can't even get it right.

He is still on the list as he had a contract this year.
He has done his shoulder and will most likely be delisted at the end of the year.

 

[Gilbert_Hodge]

If we blood five first gamers against Port we will get smashed by 100+ points and it WILL be because of injuries. Atleast it will give some more youngsters a chance to get some games into them so it is not a bad thing for the developement of this team.

Yeah but by getting smashed by 100+ points will kill any sort of confidence the kids have.

 

[SirJimi05]

never automatic selections in their career? jetta in 2007 started in round 1 in the firsts. that was when we had pretty much every player on our list to choose from, he did the same this year and started in the midfeild... dempsey aswell started this year in the firsts when we had pretty much every player to choose from. no1 ever says neagle is in our best 22. dont make stuff up.. however other players that have been injured including longeran (started round 1 when we had a full list to choose from and did very well), gumbelton, heath hocking (knights has publicly said a few times he is in our best 22 and would have started round 1 had he been available), alwyn davey (straight forward), lucas (straight forward), Mcveigh (straight forward). even a case for hislop could be argued..

fact is these players are in our best 22 and only someone who knows nothing about the EFC list would say otherwise

Good point you make! Jetta has been an automatic selection in our team everytime he has been avialable since he was drafted. Surely that makes him part of the best 22?

 

[Merv]

Yeah but by getting smashed by 100+ points will kill any sort of confidence the kids have.

What choice do we have with about 12 injuries atm?

 

[SirJimi05]

Yeah but by getting smashed by 100+ points will kill any sort of confidence the kids have.

You reckon? I can recall teams such as Hawthorn, St Kilda and Collingwood copping their fare share of humiliating losses during the period they were blooding all of their youngsters. It won't do them any harm to learn the harsh realities of AFL football. And as Merv said what choice do we have?

 

[Bollox]

Lucas
McVeigh
Davey
Dempsey
Jetta
Lonergan
Gumbleton

+ Hislop, Hocking who are better options than Monfries and Dyson

+ Flecther, Rama, Winderlich, Reimers this week.

Guys in bold are definitely part of our best 22. Others debatable. As to AFL standard the only ones you can query on are Dempsey, Jetta and Lonergan but what they have showed so far this year and a bit last is that they are more than capable of playing in this league.

The question was LAST week...so we have something to base the Dons performance on and where they are at.

I forgot about Davey (as i said refresh my memory) so i see THREE AFL standard regulars.

If you wish to promote Lonergan, Dempsey and Jetta to be somehow proven 22 regulars then the Dons list is in serious deep shyt.

Essendon have NO INJURY EXCUSES WHATSOEVER.


Just to give u an idea what NO INJURY EXCUSES looks like here's an example....

Sydney v Geelong....Sydney missing Barry Hall, Tadgh Kennelly, Nick Malceski, Nic Fosdike, Peter Everitt.....yet noone even THINKS to mention an injury list...and noone would even bother trying to claim it as an excuse.
COZ IT ISNT...even FIVE top quality AFL players isnt an excuse.

I remember the Saints at one stage had TWELVE of their starting 22 out...all good regulars yet the Dons wish to use losing THREE as an excuse for how they went last week and into the future ?

The list must have been an absolute shocka to begin with if you're using those blokes as an excuse.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Yeah but by getting smashed by 100+ points will kill any sort of confidence the kids have.

ill put my reputation on the line and say the margin wont get close to 100 points

imo it wont exceed 10 goals.. the great thing about having young players on the list (especially first gamers) is that they would do anything to impress.. we have received a fair pasting in the media this week and i think the players will want to put in a great effort this week especially seeings how dissapointed he was after last week

 

[sgbn77]

As much as I love to jump into a thread beating up the Bombers, there's no way in hell a couple of thrashings in a season is going to kill the confidence of youngsters making their debut.

A full season of floggings would be a different matter, but for an emerging player, they would be told to get out there, enjoy it, get a feel for the game, the speed of the ball movement, get a few possessions and do all the 1%'s to help your team mates.

Invaluable.

You don't get the same freedom when you're asked to debut in a Preliminary Final or something. There's a hell of a lot more pressure in those situations.

Hawthorn was regularly belted, or at the very best, mediocre during the early careers of Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin, Roughead, etc.

On the other hand, long runs without success may have dented the confidence of Carlton's youngsters, but the truly talented come out the other side unscathed.

 

[bomberstomake8]

The question was LAST week...so we have something to base the Dons performance on and where they are at.

I forgot about Davey (as i said refresh my memory) so i see THREE AFL standard regulars.

If you wish to promote Lonergan, Dempsey and Jetta to be somehow proven 22 regulars then the Dons list is in serious deep shyt.

Essendon have NO INJURY EXCUSES WHATSOEVER.


Just to give u an idea what NO INJURY EXCUSES looks like here's an example....

Sydney v Geelong....Sydney missing Barry Hall, Tadgh Kennelly, Nick Malceski, Nic Fosdike, Peter Everitt.....yet noone even THINKS to mention an injury list...and noone would even bother trying to claim it as an excuse.
COZ IT ISNT...even FIVE top quality AFL players isnt an excuse.

I remember the Saints at one stage had TWELVE of their starting 22 out...all good regulars yet the Dons waish to use losing THREE as an excuse for how they went last week and into the future ?

The list must have been an absolute shocka to begin with if you're using those blokes as an excuse.

first of all we are one of the youngset lists in the comp, to compare us to one of the oldest lists in the comp (sydney and to a lesser extent st kilda is just a stupid comparison)

beleive it or not lonergan, dempsey, jetta, gumbelton, are in our best 22
to add to that lucas, davey, mcveigh..
they dont need to have form for more then a couple of seasons to be in our best 22, the best 22 are players who are exactly that your BEST 22 players on the list. there is no criteria to say that the best 22 have to have played over 50 afl games for example

you may aswell not comment on the essendon list because you obviously dont know anything about it

just for some evidence on the severity of the essendon injuries, over the 2007-2008 period we have had 9 more soft tissue injuries then ANY OTHER CLUB... stkilda were second and then they had an extra 5 or so injuries then the other clubs

 

[SirJimi05]

ill put my reputation on the line and say the margin wont get close to 100 points

imo it wont exceed 10 goals.. the great thing about having young players on the list (especially first gamers) is that they would do anything to impress.. we have received a fair pasting in the media this week and i think the players will want to put in a great effort this week especially seeings how dissapointed he was after last week

I said it will be 100+ points if we bring in 5 rookies. I just wanted to clarify this.

 

[Sigmund]

Proven over time to be good enough to get a regular game in the seniors at an AFL club...and be an integral part of the established 22.

So i'm not asking to hear about guys that are VFL players that drift in and out of the Dons 22 simply on their VFL form...i'm talking regular top liners.

I'll ask again...apart from Lucas and McVeigh which actual AFL standard players were the Dons missing last week ?

Bollox - I think you have made your point that Essendon is not currently blessed with top liners... or at this seems to be your not too subtle insinuation. I think that you will find that just about every Essendon fan is aware that we may not have as many top liners as other clubs, and certainly lack depth in the second tier players. The reality is that these blokes mentioned are in our best 22, and we need them on the park - bottom line.

 

[TheCoach]

Yeah but by getting smashed by 100+ points will kill any sort of confidence the kids have.

Prior to Brisbanes 2001-03 dream run, a lot of those players played in their dark days where they were smashed every week... Means nothing. Every year is different.
I, and most Essendon supporters should know that we're in a rebuilding phase. Yes we'd like to win but I'm not expecting us to make the finals till atleast 2010 and I don't care that we get beaten by 1 point or 100 points. I find it funny people bagging us about how we're playing but to me its insignificant. Bag us in 2010 if we're still in the bottom 5 or 6 but now, i'm actually enjoying seeing this team being built.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

The question was LAST week...so we have something to base the Dons performance on and where they are at.

I forgot about Davey (as i said refresh my memory) so i see THREE AFL standard regulars.

If you wish to promote Lonergan, Dempsey and Jetta to be somehow proven 22 regulars then the Dons list is in serious deep shyt.

Essendon have NO INJURY EXCUSES WHATSOEVER.


Just to give u an idea what NO INJURY EXCUSES looks like here's an example....

Sydney v Geelong....Sydney missing Barry Hall, Tadgh Kennelly, Nick Malceski, Nic Fosdike, Peter Everitt.....yet noone even THINKS to mention an injury list...and noone would even bother trying to claim it as an excuse.
COZ IT ISNT...even FIVE top quality AFL players isnt an excuse.

I remember the Saints at one stage had TWELVE of their starting 22 out...all good regulars yet the Dons wish to use losing THREE as an excuse for how they went last week and into the future ?

The list must have been an absolute shocka to begin with if you're using those blokes as an excuse.

Sydney can put out a VFA team and not get flogged. It's the crap style you play and it doesn't really matter who you have in our out. Funny how we've beaten you guys the last 2 times we've played and it's probably been one of the few times we've had a full side.

Dempsey, Jetta and Lonergan are proven enough in our eyes and made a huge impact in the pre season and in wins against North and Carlton.

If you're a bit slow on which kids are good or not it's not our fault.

What you have to also realise is that Fletcher, Winderlich and Lloyd have been playing injured and not quite ready. Fletcher and Winderlich succumbing this week.

 

[SirJimi05]

Prior to Brisbanes 2001-03 dream run, a lot of those players played in their dark days where they were smashed every week... Means nothing. Every year is different.
I, and most Essendon supporters should know that we're in a rebuilding phase. Yes we'd like to win but I'm not expecting us to make the finals till atleast 2010 and I don't care that we get beaten by 1 point or 100 points. I find it funny people bagging us about how we're playing but to me its insignificant. Bag us in 2010 if we're still in the bottom 5 or 6 but now, i'm actually enjoying seeing this team being built.

So it's fair to say that you are still bullish, Knightsy?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Sydney v Geelong....Sydney missing Barry Hall, Tadgh Kennelly, Nick Malceski, Nic Fosdike, Peter Everitt.....yet noone even THINKS to mention an injury list...and noone would even bother trying to claim it as an excuse.
COZ IT ISNT...even FIVE top quality AFL players isnt an excuse.

That would be akin to us missing Lloyd, Nash, Welsh, Dyson, and Laycock.

Somehow I'd think we could manage without those guys.

 

[Bollox]

beleive it or not lonergan, dempsey, jetta, gumbelton, are in our best 22

SO what you;re saying is that if my mob lost Craig Bird, Ed Barlow and Kieren Moore to injury we should be trying to use that as an excuse for getting thrashed ?

We wouldnt...noone else would...YOU are tho.

I dont see Essendon as injury struck AT ALL....just a few less rotated newbies to choose from plus THREE regulars out.

I'm sorry...but losing the Ed Barlow's of the world was never and is still not an excuse.

Going on your reckoning Sydney must nave been severely effected by injury...yet noone thinks that way...and we havent been. Its just Normal injury toll ALL clubs have.

Stop looking to make excuses and get on with it...you planned and constructed this list and were stupid enough to even brag about it to fans of other clubs...extolling the virtues of some sort of "young talented" list.

it should come as no surprise to you to hear that younger players get injured MORE than mature bodies...you ASKED for this list now stop making excuses for it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Take Scarlett, Ablett, Bartell, Mooney and Chapman out of Geelong and they will struggle.

They'd just bring in Byrnes Lonergan Rooke Tenace and Varcoe.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Essendon's problem is that it only takes a couple of injuries and they are down to VFL standard.

 

[SirJimi05]

SO what you;re saying is that if my mob lost Craig Bird, Ed Barlow and Kieren Moore to injury we should be trying to use that as an excuse for getting thrashed ?

We wouldnt...noone else would...YOU are tho.

I dont see Essendon as injury struck AT ALL....just a few less rotated newbies to choose from plus THREE regulars out.

I'm sorry...but losing the Ed Barlow's of the world was never and is still not an excuse.

Going on your reckoning Sydney must nave been severely effected by injury...yet noone thinks that way...and we havent been. Its just Normal injury toll ALL clubs have.

Stop looking to make excuses and get on with it...you planned and constructed this list and were stupid enough to even brag about it to fans of other clubs...extolling the virtues of some sort of "young talented" list.

it should come as no surprise to you to hear that younger players get injured MORE than mature bodies...you ASKED for this list now stop making excuses for it.

Bollox i think a number of posters have already stated that we are under no illusions and understand that we do not have the depth of many other clubs. Take 4 of your best 5 players out of a team with no depth and you are going to struggle big time. In fact take 4 of the best 5 out of any team and they WILL struggle. Just one other thing to note, i don't think you should be saying we asked for this list as if we had something to do with it. Cheers.

 

[SirJimi05]

They'd just bring in Byrnes Lonergan Rooke Tenace and Varcoe.

And struggle. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

And struggle. Thanks for proving my point.

You guys would kill for Geelong's depth. Dont kid yourself.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Essendon's problem is that it only takes a couple of injuries and they are down to VFL standard.

I think you're lucky you have depth in Bryan, Toovey, Stanley, Lonie, Iles, Ried, Holland, Cook,Cox,Egan.

We'd be a much better side if we could bring them in right now.

 

[TheCoach]

You guys would kill for Geelong's depth. Dont kid yourself.

Yes. And Geelong are 4-5 years ahead of where Essendon are at the moment. Essendon are rebuilding so players like Jetta, Dempsey and co ARE in our best 22, as shown being named in round 1. No, they're not 'established' players but that because they're young and part of a new coaches structure and plan. You can't exactly be an established player when your coach has been in the job for 6 weeks and has his own opinions on his players previous to those of the old coach.

 

[Daytripper]

SO what you;re saying is that if my mob lost Craig Bird, Ed Barlow and Kieren Moore to injury we should be trying to use that as an excuse for getting thrashed ?

We wouldnt...noone else would...YOU are tho.

I dont see Essendon as injury struck AT ALL....just a few less rotated newbies to choose from plus THREE regulars out.

I'm sorry...but losing the Ed Barlow's of the world was never and is still not an excuse.

Going on your reckoning Sydney must nave been severely effected by injury...yet noone thinks that way...and we havent been. Its just Normal injury toll ALL clubs have.

Stop looking to make excuses and get on with it...you planned and constructed this list and were stupid enough to even brag about it to fans of other clubs...extolling the virtues of some sort of "young talented" list.

it should come as no surprise to you to hear that younger players get injured MORE than mature bodies...you ASKED for this list now stop making excuses for it.

Lets say for example Hall, Bolton, Kirk, O'Keefe and Jolly were the five most valuable players at Sydney. Then we took out four of them.

Then we took out about 8 of your depth players that are rated between 18 and 28 on your list.

Where would that leave you ?

Any team that loses more than 50% of its best five players is in major trouble becuase it filters back through to every other player in the team. Have a look at how rubbish players like Embley, Glass, Fletcher look now that Judd and Cousins have left the club ?

Are we under any illusions as to how West Coast will perform against Carlton tomorrow with no Priddis and Kerr either. Carlton are $1.60 favourites against West Coast at home. This would be simply unimaginable one year ago. From memory I think West Coast were $1.06 favourites in the corresponding match last season. Now, no offfence to Carlton but they haven't improved that much.

According to your theory injuries or missing players have nothing to do with it though.

 

[SirJimi05]

You guys would kill for Geelong's depth. Dont kid yourself.

Of course we would! Any club would. They would still struggle with those five players out of their team regardless of the depth they have at their disposal. It would be foolish to suggest otherwise.