Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[ClaytonM]

Yep he has gone from best ruck ever in 2018 to very good player. Rucks are there to clear the ball, Grundy does that on his own.

He declined in value sure…he had close to 50 hit outs last week. If it was anybody else you’d be singing his praises. There are many great players in the competition who mark worse than Grundy.

I question 'very good player'. Past few years he has been average.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Grundy doing small man stuff is nice, but we have quality small men. Taylor Adams, Scott Pendlebury, Tom Mitchell, Jack Crisp, De Goey and Nick Daicos can’t ruck, we need a big presence for that.

This is a key point that gets overlooked. Grundy who used to be great at ground level ( and still is good) is not essential when you have an excellent list of midfielders who can do all that anyway, and better. What he’s good at we don’t need and what he’s not so good at we do need.

 

[ipswichpies]

I think we are better off without him and that was shown repeatedly last season after his injury but I also feel he needed a change of club to give him another chance to regain his former excellence which he has a great chance with Gawn injured.

People are flogging a dead horse about his hit outs because he is having no impact otherwise, which is what we have seen from him in season,s 20 through 22.

 

[Mollythedolly]

It is more absurd to argue a ruck doesn't have to take marks consistently. You don't pick rucks to be clearance players, that is just a bonus. What you want is aerial presence.

Brody has been poor the first two weeks. While he has never been good aerially, as a player he is a shadow of what he was a few years back.

I lean more toward their hitouts and the impact they have on your clearances. Control the footy from the clearances and you’re not as reliant upon rucks clunking marks around the ground. That becomes the bonus.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Have people been looking at his clearance work recently it is almost non existent in comparison to how it use to be. It was obvious after 3 weeks of Cox and Cameron combination last season that we were better off than having Grundy 85 or 90% of the time,maybe not 18 or 19 seasons Grundy but certainly better than anytime since then.

Really watching him these days I am glad we were able to trade him out, it is 4 seasons since he was elite.

Pretty sure he’s been in the top ruckmen for hitouts per game every year. That still qualifies for him to be labeled elite given the way they dole the tag out.

 

[magpies42]

He had 50 HO’s and the Dreamons midfield was destroyed by the Brions.

You dig your own hole.

And Soy Boy is just a shadow of himself.

A Pop-Gun…..


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Yeah but the point is even if he is winning hit outs that aren’t to advantage, it’s 50 hit outs that aren’t being directed by the opposing ruckman. So he does better than neutralise stoppages and then spreads, tackles and wins clearances and contested ball. He will rip us a new one queens birthday.

 

[magpies42]

He’s very good at winning hit outs. Not very good at doing many other aspects of a ruckman’s role, nor having those hitouts lead to the team winning clearance differential. He is good at elements of football which are not normally strengths of ruckmen.

The question is; would you rather Grundy win you hitouts and clearances, get some decent tackle numbers and high possession counts for a ruckman?

Or would you rather your ruckman broke even in the hitouts, took more marks, kicked a few goals, provided an outlet from defence, dropped back as an extra in defence when the other team went long I50, and Tom Mitchell got the clearances and tackles instead?

Grundy doing small man stuff is nice, but we have quality small men. Taylor Adams, Scott Pendlebury, Tom Mitchell, Jack Crisp, De Goey and Nick Daicos can’t ruck, we need a big presence for that.

Im not unhappy with our decision to move him on at his price. And I’m happy with what have listed currently.

He is a unique player with what he currently has, contested marking would be an additional great asset. Not everyone is perfect

 

[Mkcaptain]

Have all of us lauding about how little we've needed Grundy brought karma on ourselves?

 

[adammania9]

Have all of us lauding about how little we've needed Grundy brought karma on ourselves?

Nope. I’d rather no ruck at all than have the liability that is Grundy

 

[gouki88]

Nope. I’d rather no ruck at all than have the liability that is Grundy

Really?

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

On his performances so far this year, i haven't really wished him back, tbh.

 

[adammania9]

Really?

Genuinely

 

[JoinDate]

Have all of us lauding about how little we've needed Grundy brought karma on ourselves?

Nah, it was the flying spaghetti monster's fault.

 

[ZEV]

Nope. I’d rather no ruck at all than have the liability that is Grundy

Grundy looks like he has really embraced the culture of "quiet quitting"....

Last week Gawn goes down, 10 minutes later Petracca is taking the ruck. Bloke not only doesn't get to contests now it's fifty fifty if he will take a ball up.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Have all of us lauding about how little we've needed Grundy brought karma on ourselves?

We’re still 3-0 last I checked.

 

[ClaytonM]

Have all of us lauding about how little we've needed Grundy brought karma on ourselves?

Still happy he is not on our list. Sometime shit just happens.

 

[ZEV]

Still happy he is not on our list. Sometime s**t just happens.

I do miss his non-chalant, sassy hair flicks

 

[pz5151]

Grundy’s hitout stats are very much like Tom Mitchell’s possession counts when he used to play at Hawthorn. If you have 50 hitouts or 50 touches but do nothing with them, it’s useless.

 

[Frogs]

Not suggesting this is you necessarily, but people who are thinking we shouldn't have got rid of Grundy in light of last night's injury to Cameron should also remember that not getting rid of Grundy would mean limited cap space and probably none of Mitchell, Frampton, Hill etc etc would be with us.

It'll be a tough few weeks undoubtedly but I still have the faith

 

[Finnishpie]

Have people been looking at his clearance work recently it is almost non existent in comparison to how it use to be. It was obvious after 3 weeks of Cox and Cameron combination last season that we were better off than having Grundy 85 or 90% of the time,maybe not 18 or 19 seasons Grundy but certainly better than anytime since then.

Really watching him these days I am glad we were able to trade him out, it is 4 seasons since he was elite.

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On his performances so far this year, i haven't really wished him back, tbh.

HE’s coming back from the same injury that Cameron now has. He won’t be at his best for another month or so.

 

[Finnishpie]

I think we are better off without him and that was shown repeatedly last season after his injury but I also feel he needed a change of club to give him another chance to regain his former excellence which he has a great chance with Gawn injured.

People are flogging a dead horse about his hit outs because he is having no impact otherwise, which is what we have seen from him in season,s 20 through 22.

And this year we’d be better off having him after Cameron’s injury. That will probably be shown repeatedly. turns out injuries make someone worse.

 

[eddiesmith]

Not suggesting this is you necessarily, but people who are thinking we shouldn't have got rid of Grundy in light of last night's injury to Cameron should also remember that not getting rid of Grundy would mean limited cap space and probably none of Mitchell, Frampton, Hill etc etc would be with us.

It'll be a tough few weeks undoubtedly but I still have the faith

Yep, with Grundy we’d be 1-2 at absolute best and possibly 0-3.

You can’t afford to have $1 million tied up in a back up ruckman when there is a salary cap.

 

[Bramax]

Yep, with Grundy we’d be 1-2 at absolute best and possibly 0-3.

You can’t afford to have $1 million tied up in a back up ruckman when there is a salary cap.

First two rounds, looking at the top 25 ruckmen in the league.

Grundy stats:
Number #8 for hitouts
Number #25 for hitouts to advantage
And 0% scores from his hitouts

This is why he isn't worth $1M and we ditched him.

 

[Ugene41]

Not suggesting this is you necessarily, but people who are thinking we shouldn't have got rid of Grundy in light of last night's injury to Cameron should also remember that not getting rid of Grundy would mean limited cap space and probably none of Mitchell, Frampton, Hill etc etc would be with us.

It'll be a tough few weeks undoubtedly but I still have the faith

Would be good to have Grundy now instead of decoy forward McStay on the same length of contract and similar pay now we're subsidising Grundy's

 

[Capital Magpie]

And this year we’d be better off having him after Cameron’s injury. That will probably be shown repeatedly. turns out injuries make someone worse.

But would we better off overall if we still had Grundy? I don't see how we would. As has been pointed out by others if we still had Grundy on our books we likely wouldn't have Hill, McStay, Mitchell etc because we couldn't afford them because Grundys excessive salary would have to be paid by us under the salary cap.