Bye bye Clarkson

[The acurate one]

Contrary to some posters belief . I hope nothing more for us to start winning asap with Clarko or without.
But one thing will be certain… if we get to 0-15 , 0-16 & God help us 0-23 …
This thread will be going ape shit. Because I’m sure there are a few NMFC members / supporters out there that are beginning to sway on whether Clarko is the right man to lead us out of this shit hole or are already agreeing with me but are afraid of the flack they might cop from “I believe in Clarko “ supporters.

Rosco I am fairly confident we could lose our next 12 games, and I still won't change my beliefs, let the Corns & the Caro's go nuts. Good on 'em.
But gee personally I'd be disappointed in myself if I ever agreed with those 2 for example. Not saying you are, but that is the direction those 2 are heading.

Our list is rubbish beyond 23 players, now out of the 23 or so 9 haven't debuted/played much and are in the could be good category.

The rest our washed up, finished or need to be once they're contracts expire.

Now there was a gathering of North players for a meal recently and one topic discussed was how much they are enjoying being coached by al clarko. they have faith in him.

The butchering of draft picks isn't his fault, our current plight isn't his fault.

HIs NMFC coaching record is 20 games 17 losses 3 wins. That is all that is relevant. And for how shite our list is that actually isn't bad. He may see the year out and it sees his coaching record as 32/3. So what, I'll tell you what . Let's see what he does then.
I think another brutal list cull is on its way.

Also there isn't single person inside the four walls of Arden St that thinks al clarko is the wrong man for the job.

Not sure that was said fro Shaw and Nobles, or Amafrio's or Luffs and any other prick that through incompetence has sent us back to the dark ages.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Why is everyone getting so personal with Rossco. It’s his thread. Don’t come in here if you don’t like what he has to say. For the record we are not sacking clarko but 0/11 and trending down. 2 x instances of poor language in public. Clarko’s only saving grace is he won 4 flags 10 years ago otherwise this thread would be on part 3 by now.

Not sure BDL.

Saying this thread would be on part 3 by now suggests others would be doing better with this list.

There is no Club that has a worse collection of senior players.

Actually, it is arguably the worst collection of senior players in the history of the game.

With the exception of Larkey, to a single man they're either willing but unable or the other way around. Everyone one of them.

The only ones that are willing and able are pretty much in their first 50 games of their career.

Tough gig.

 

[RossHenshaw]

Rosco I am fairly confident we could lose our next 12 games, and I still won't change my beliefs, let the Corns & the Caro's go nuts. Good on 'em.
But gee personally I'd be disappointed in myself if I ever agreed with those 2 for example. Not saying you are, but that is the direction those 2 are heading.

Our list is rubbish beyond 23 players, now out of the 23 or so 9 haven't debuted/played much and are in the could be good category.

The rest our washed up, finished or need to be once they're contracts expire.

Now there was a gathering of North players for a meal recently and one topic discussed was how much they are enjoying being coached by al clarko. they have faith in him.

The butchering of draft picks isn't his fault, our current plight isn't his fault.

HIs NMFC coaching record is 20 games 17 losses 3 wins. That is all that is relevant. And for how shite our list is that actually isn't bad. He may see the year out and it sees his coaching record as 32/3. So what, I'll tell you what . Let's see what he does then.
I think another brutal list cull is on its way.

Also there isn't single person inside the four walls of Arden St that thinks al clarko is the wrong man for the job.

Not sure that was said fro Shaw and Nobles, or Amafrio's or Luffs and any other prick that through incompetence has sent us back to the dark ages.

I hear you Accurate & you know I normally have your back on almost all things .
But current Clarko is not the same Clarko I & I’m sure many expected .
Where’s the no holds barred passion towards his players?
Where’s the game plan ? (North Ball ? Is that it ?)
Where’s the defencive plan ?
What is the plan to change it up & stop team’s scoring 100+ point’s against us every week ?
You don’t need a good list to put some sort of pressure on the opposition & not give up.
Old Clarko would not accept that …
so far in my opinion he’s made the headlines in all the wrong reasons. He should be pulling his head in with the homophobic slurs & public swearing. He knows the media don’t like him … he should be smarter than that & not continuously keep putting himself in those distracting situations. The club does not need this shit right now .
It’s hard enough having enough bad press on our performance & being irrelevant.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

While we are on a losing run, would love to see the average losing margin come down from the 2023 and 2024 seasons combined of 41 points per game.

This year we are running at 52 points a game, and Clarko’s average as coach is 47 points per losing game. Ratts while winless lowered it in his 10 games at the helm in 2023.

Our closest game was back in Rd 2 for 26 points against Freo. The same game we were up over 30 in the 2nd QTR and the for a nano-second we were all talking Northball.

2nd Half season goals

1. Lower Av losing margin by 15 points.
2. Get better at tackling.
3. Drop more senior players if they are not performing. No sacred cows as we need to send a message.
4. Those out of contract at season’s end (17 of them). Play those on the cusp of being held/let go 3-4 games to give them one last chance to earn another year. Can’t say they were not given a try and we did not die wondering.
5. Start thinking about 2025 leaders with Sheezel and Wardlaw.
6. Practice, practice, practice kicking and hitting 20-25 meter target.

 

[Horizons_00]

Rosco I am fairly confident we could lose our next 12 games, and I still won't change my beliefs, let the Corns & the Caro's go nuts. Good on 'em.
But gee personally I'd be disappointed in myself if I ever agreed with those 2 for example. Not saying you are, but that is the direction those 2 are heading.

Our list is rubbish beyond 23 players, now out of the 23 or so 9 haven't debuted/played much and are in the could be good category.

The rest our washed up, finished or need to be once they're contracts expire.

Now there was a gathering of North players for a meal recently and one topic discussed was how much they are enjoying being coached by al clarko. they have faith in him.

The butchering of draft picks isn't his fault, our current plight isn't his fault.

HIs NMFC coaching record is 20 games 17 losses 3 wins. That is all that is relevant. And for how shite our list is that actually isn't bad. He may see the year out and it sees his coaching record as 32/3. So what, I'll tell you what . Let's see what he does then.
I think another brutal list cull is on its way.

Also there isn't single person inside the four walls of Arden St that thinks al clarko is the wrong man for the job.

Not sure that was said fro Shaw and Nobles, or Amafrio's or Luffs and any other prick that through incompetence has sent us back to the dark ages.

Putting the blame all on the players or the list is just as ridiculous as only blaming Clarko for our issues

And bolded - inside info? That isn't true on what I've heard.

If you don't think people inside the club aren't questioning him, even if its subconsciously, is unrealistic. Everyone with 2 eyes can see the club getting worse and losing faith in whatever plan we have.

Man I'd hope as a supposed professional sports club and about to endure one of the worst years in AFL history all staff would be questioned or we are in deep trouble.

 

[RossHenshaw]

Putting the blame all on the players or the list is just as ridiculous as only blaming Clarko for our issues

And bolded - inside info? That isn't true on what I've heard.

If you don't think people inside the club aren't questioning him, even if its subconsciously, is unrealistic. Everyone with 2 eyes can see the club getting worse and losing faith in whatever plan we have.

Man I'd hope as a supposed professional sports club and about to endure one of the worst years in AFL history all staff would be questioned or we are in deep trouble.

 

[koshari]

Putting the blame all on the players or the list is just as ridiculous as only blaming Clarko for our issues

And bolded - inside info? That isn't true on what I've heard.

If you don't think people inside the club aren't questioning him, even if its subconsciously, is unrealistic. Everyone with 2 eyes can see the club getting worse and losing faith in whatever plan we have.

Man I'd hope as a supposed professional sports club and about to endure one of the worst years in AFL history all staff would be questioned or we are in deep trouble.

Even of your winning people should question the process, otherwise your going backwards. No organisation should be an echo chamber. Bet your last dollar the senior players at collingwood dont have dialog with their coach where they axchange ideas and concerns. Problem is our leaders are inexperienced ( sheez wardlaw... )

 

[Caracas]

Rosco I am fairly confident we could lose our next 12 games, and I still won't change my beliefs, let the Corns & the Caro's go nuts. Good on 'em.
But gee personally I'd be disappointed in myself if I ever agreed with those 2 for example. Not saying you are, but that is the direction those 2 are heading.

Our list is rubbish beyond 23 players, now out of the 23 or so 9 haven't debuted/played much and are in the could be good category.

The rest our washed up, finished or need to be once they're contracts expire.

Now there was a gathering of North players for a meal recently and one topic discussed was how much they are enjoying being coached by al clarko. they have faith in him.

The butchering of draft picks isn't his fault, our current plight isn't his fault.

HIs NMFC coaching record is 20 games 17 losses 3 wins. That is all that is relevant. And for how shite our list is that actually isn't bad. He may see the year out and it sees his coaching record as 32/3. So what, I'll tell you what . Let's see what he does then.
I think another brutal list cull is on its way.

Also there isn't single person inside the four walls of Arden St that thinks al clarko is the wrong man for the job.

Not sure that was said fro Shaw and Nobles, or Amafrio's or Luffs and any other prick that through incompetence has sent us back to the dark ages.

Well stated, KC. Hopefully, what you say is true and not just a facade.

 

[7577969923]

Just thought I'd leave this here. Clarko's record at Hawthorn was:

2004 - 4 wins & 18 losses
2005 - 5/17
2006 - 9/13
2007 - 13/9
2008 - 17/5 & Premiership

etc, etc

Clarko is a very good coach, he is not a miracle worker. In 2004 he had 14 players with more than 100 games experience on the list. At the beginning of 2024 NM had 8 players with more than 100 games.

 

[The acurate one]

Well stated, KC. Hopefully, what you say is true and not just a facade.

Yeah I'd be surprised if it was horse shit.

Just thought I'd leave this here. Clarko's record at Hawthorn was:

2004 - 4 wins & 18 losses
2005 - 5/17
2006 - 9/13
2007 - 13/9
2008 - 17/5 & Premiership

etc, etc

Clarko is a very good coach, he is not a miracle worker. In 2004 he had 14 players with more than 100 games experience on the list. At the beginning of 2024 NM had 8 players with more than 100 games.

Yeah he is and as much as I hated the Hawfs at the time, part of me wishes Maj had gone to the Hawks. Not spent 9 years under General B Scott.
Brad wanted Maj to fit his ideals, al clarko would have worked to Majaks strengths.

He did the same with B Lake, He was so good at what he did, al worked with it. Pagan and Carey etc.

Not ****ing General B Scott though. Maj should be a millionaire and played a lot more footy. Fuvken hate Scott

 

[Horizons_00]

Just thought I'd leave this here. Clarko's record at Hawthorn was:

2004 - 4 wins & 18 losses
2005 - 5/17
2006 - 9/13
2007 - 13/9
2008 - 17/5 & Premiership

etc, etc

Clarko is a very good coach, he is not a miracle worker. In 2004 he had 14 players with more than 100 games experience on the list. At the beginning of 2024 NM had 8 players with more than 100 games.

Those stats are from 15+ years ago. It does not automatically result in success or no coach would ever quit.

Clarko was a very good coach, one of the best, but again, everyone seems to never talk about his last few years at Hawks. That’s the closet Clarko we have if we are going by time frames.

It’s a completely different situation, club, game, staff, players, and coach than the past, it’s just not the same

 

[7577969923]

Yeah I'd be surprised if it was horse shit.



Yeah he is and as much as I hated the Hawfs at the time, part of me wishes Maj had gone to the Hawks. Not spent 9 years under General B Scott.
Brad wanted Maj to fit his ideals, al clarko would have worked to Majaks strengths.

He did the same with B Lake, He was so good at what he did, al worked with it. Pagan and Carey etc.

Not ****ing General B Scott though. Maj should be a millionaire and played a lot more footy. Fuvken hate Scott

It only took him seven years to think "What if we put Maj behind the ball where he can just react to what's in front of him and his man, and use his athleticism, rather than having to create the play up forward?"

What a year he had in 2018. If he'd had a 3 or 4 year run at CHB he could well have contended for the AA squad. He was an imposing presence in the back line in a way he just hadn't been anywhere else on the field.

 

[7577969923]

Those stats are from 15+ years ago. It does not automatically result in success or no coach would ever quit.

Clarko was a very good coach, one of the best, but again, everyone seems to never talk about his last few years at Hawks. That’s the closet Clarko we have if we are going by time frames.

It’s a completely different situation, club, game, staff, players, and coach than the past, it’s just not the same

Situationally, we are much closer to the 2004/05 Hawks than 2017/18 Hawks. We are an incredibly young team with some elite talent, some glaring list holes, and a very poor cohort of experienced players. There's a whole range of things that will take a year or two with a relatively clear run at things to put in place. Up until this point Clarko has had to step away for most of the 23 season due to the racism investigation, had the number 1 draft pick walk out on the club after one year, and been forced to sack the player with the highest ceiling. If we had a core midfield group of LDU, Tarryn Thomas, JHF, Simpkin, Sheezel, and Powell this year, I'm sure we'd have won a few games.

Anyone who thinks changing coaches again is the answer is flat-out stupid.

 

[The acurate one]

Putting the blame all on the players or the list is just as ridiculous as only blaming Clarko for our issues

And bolded - inside info? That isn't true on what I've heard.

If you don't think people inside the club aren't questioning him, even if its subconsciously, is unrealistic. Everyone with 2 eyes can see the club getting worse and losing faith in whatever plan we have.

Man I'd hope as a supposed professional sports club and about to endure one of the worst years in AFL history all staff would be questioned or we are in deep trouble.

oh come on do you think there's a coach in the world that would make the below AFL quality footballers.

1. Nuyons
2.Pinks
3.Stephensons - the Pie realised his limitation's and he's very limited.
4.Archers
5.Harveys
6.CCJ's
7.Drurys
8.Lazzaros
9.Frees
10.Hansens - Hansens was averaging 6 disposals at WAFL level, good grief.

And I stopped at ten, could have kept going.

The majority of those play VFL and we still cant win a game there either.

 

[Elite Master]

oh come on do you think there's a coach in the world that would make the below AFL quality footballers.

1. Nuyons
2.Pinks
3.Stephensons - the Pie realised his limitation's and he's very limited.
4.Archers
5.Harveys
6.CCJ's
7.Drurys
8.Lazzaros
9.Frees
10.Hansens - Hansens was averaging 6 disposals at WAFL level, good grief.

And I stopped at ten, could have kept going.

The majority of those play VFL and we still cant win a game there either.

Hansons is the one I'm most disappointed with because I genuinely believe he has the raw talent to 'make it'. Just goes to show talent isn't everything and it's not even close.

 

[The acurate one]

Hansons is the one I'm most disappointed with because I genuinely believe he has the raw talent to 'make it'. Just goes to show talent isn't everything and it's not even close.

oh on talent he has, but yeah and oh well as we darn say.

 

[Horizons_00]

oh come on do you think there's a coach in the world that would make the below AFL quality footballers.

1. Nuyons
2.Pinks
3.Stephensons - the Pie realised his limitation's and he's very limited.
4.Archers
5.Harveys
6.CCJ's
7.Drurys
8.Lazzaros
9.Frees
10.Hansens - Hansens was averaging 6 disposals at WAFL level, good grief.

And I stopped at ten, could have kept going.

The majority of those play VFL and we still cant win a game there either.

A lot of clubs have plodders haha I don’t disagree with you. The list will improve as time goes on, or maybe it doesn’t but I’m not talking about how shit our list is, because we all know it’s crap lol we cant even get the bare minimum out of the group (effort, competitiveness, commitment, fitness) shit or not.

When we played north-ball for a quarter or won against pies in the preseason no one was saying how bad our list was. No one says shit when we are trying to win out there, or we can see improvement.

No one is motivating our group to be or get better, I couldn’t care less whether we don’t win another game but I do care when we lose every game this year due to lack of effort or belief in our system or future direction.

Most of our list, whether they’re guns or not, don’t believe we can or should win out there. That’s the issue because the more Clarko allows us to develop the losing culture, the harder it is to get out of.

Teach or mentor the boys the ****ing basics first (like being competitive) and develop a strong foundation of standards rather bringing new players around a team of losers with dwindling confidence.

 

[archereleven]

It only took him seven years to think "What if we put Maj behind the ball where he can just react to what's in front of him and his man, and use his athleticism, rather than having to create the play up forward?"

What a year he had in 2018. If he'd had a 3 or 4 year run at CHB he could well have contended for the AA squad. He was an imposing presence in the back line in a way he just hadn't been anywhere else on the field.

His 2019 could have been anything, but he jumped off a bridge. Was never the same. End of story.

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[north_lad]

I swear some of you want us to keep being bad just so you can be proven right...? Seems weird to me but U do U

 

[blackshadow]

95% of our list, whether they’re guns or not, don’t believe we can or should win out there

Who’s arse did you pluck this 95% figure from?

I’m 100% sure you haven’t asked every player on our list about their beliefs.

 

[colby king]

At what point can we mention Brady’s incompetence in this. Shit recruiting in CCJ, Stephenson, Stephens, all on long term deals and couldn’t get a game at other clubs. Not to mention the draft selections. Specifically, a number 3 draft pick Will Phillips, a poor man’s Tom Mitchel, who has also can’t get a game. Build from a midfield out, what a great thought, until you realise we literally have no talent in any other position except Larkey. Bye Bye Brady

 

[ferball]

At what point can we mention Brady’s incompetence in this. Shit recruiting in CCJ, Stephenson, Stephens, all on long term deals and couldn’t get a game at other clubs. Not to mention the draft selections. Specifically, a number 3 draft pick Will Phillips, a poor man’s Tom Mitchel, who has also can’t get a game. Build from a midfield out, what a great thought, until you realise we literally have no talent in any other position except Larkey. Bye Bye Brady

I'm shocked cos nobody has mentioned this yet.

 

[Horizons_00]

Who’s arse did you pluck this 95% figure from?

I’m 100% sure you haven’t asked every player on our list about their beliefs.

Sure, nit pick my post and miss my point completely, I fixed it up for you

 

[blackshadow]

Sure, nit pick my post and miss my point completely, I fixed it up for you

Do you have hard evidence about “most of our list” or are you just going on your feels?

Your point is made based on sweeping generalisations without knowing what’s actually going on with the playing group and coaching so your point can be safely dismissed.

 

[colby king]

I'm shocked cos nobody has mentioned this yet.

Think it’s worth noting Brady is also the culprit of WC demise, re-signed gaff, Kennedy, Nic Nat, McGovern all on long term deals whilst in the twilight of their careers and overpaid draft picks for Kelly. His track record has become clear now that he is an awful list manager. I know this thread is about Clarko. But I truly believe you can’t win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey. Bye bye Brady please.