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C-section Ammo's 2007

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Well - let this (please) be the last post about the Reds this season. After all, it is all about the final 4 from here on in, and I've tried to restrain myself on several occasions from explaining the situation at the club upon arrival in January this year.

Suffice to say, the two regular posters here who we all presume are Reds' supporters (Red Roy and overtheline) never represented the true views and expectations of the club (committee and coaching staff) in 2007. In fact, it was probably the complete opposite. I repeat, I don't know who these guys are, if they are truly Reds' supporters, or something else. All I can say is their apparent enthusiasm and blind faith in the Reds was not based on any remote understanding of the parlous state the club was in at the end of 2006, which only got worse by the start of 2007 in an on-field sense. To talk of divine rights for flags every second year and so on is just plainly silly, and it leads me to think perhaps they had little or no genuine connection with the club at all.

When I arrived, it was clear that about 10 to 12 of the key Reds' senior players were, for several reasons, not going to suit up in 2007. It seems Monash, NOBS, Friars and Parkdale suffered similarly during the off-season. (Frankly, I reckon Dale Bower did a great job with keeping the Vultures afloat, and shouldn't be judged on the club dropping from 3rd to 7th this year ;)).

We were all very concerned that we didn't have any goal-kicking forwards and would struggle to post competitive scores against the middling sides - let alone the OC's and Rupo. Our key position stocks were shot, and the recruits who came to the club were very much smaller running types (self included). The aim was to get as much run into the legs of our midfielders in pre-season, and hope we could run/carry and play a possession style of game, try to sneak 5 or 6 wins and stay up.

Personally, I lost 6 weeks myself due to a nasty bike accident where I broke my jaw in 3 places, and wasn't able to run (and definitely wasn't going to cycle!!!) for most of March and April. Whilst many boys did close to a full pre-season, several of the 2nd tier senior guys, for their own reasons, didn't front until late in the piece. I'm not really used to this but just presumed it was the way a C grade club operated.

Clearly I was wrong.

No doubt the sides who now continue into September worked their bums off in pre-season and, to their credit, are the four who rightfully get to play off for the flag and B grade in 2008.

On the upside, the club's financial position has been resuscitated and is now listed as serious but stable, instead of on life support. Further, on the playing side, our U19s won their 2nd semi and will now get a chance to make up for last years' GF loss and get promoted to Div 3 (which is crucial for a club's development in the VAFA). Obviously, I take some pride in the reserves' side finishing with an 11-7 record, after dropping 3 early games by small margins, and playing with great spirit. It has been a really good start to coaching, blessed with a cracking bunch of lads to play with, and I've learnt a lot in the last 5 months.

Yes there are many good people at the Reds, and Mappa and GWH are two of them. However in my experience there are good people at all VAFA clubs in all divisions - many of whom are posters on BF and will have enjoyed our season thus far. We all aim to win flags and generate success, but sometimes clubs lose their way and it takes more than one season of consolidation to properly re-group, and then get back on track. In the Reds' case, I feel they grew too fast for their own good and, unlike Rupertswood, haven't yet hit upon the proper recipe for sustained success. Hopefully this years' experience will provide a sober lesson and we can structure the club in the right way in the future.

No-one starts a season out trying to get relegated, but occasionally circumstances conspire, both before and during a season, to make that a more likely result than not. As Mappa has said, you simply take the medicine and try to bounce back as quickly as possible. I wish all you guys and girls at the final four clubs the best of luck, and to the NOBs crew, well at least the RedNOB Cup will continue in 2008. To the others who remain in C section - enjoy the month or two off, and make sure you (as I will) get your players back together as early as possible before the summer grass dies and we all get told to keep off the ovals again!!!

Cheers

Fraser
:thumbsu:
 
Well - let this (please) be the last post about the Reds this season. After all, it is all about the final 4 from here on in, and I've tried to restrain myself on several occasions from explaining the situation at the club upon arrival in January this year.

Suffice to say, the two regular posters here who we all presume are Reds' supporters (Red Roy and overtheline) never represented the true views and expectations of the club (committee and coaching staff) in 2007. In fact, it was probably the complete opposite. I repeat, I don't know who these guys are, if they are truly Reds' supporters, or something else. All I can say is their apparent enthusiasm and blind faith in the Reds was not based on any remote understanding of the parlous state the club was in at the end of 2006, which only got worse by the start of 2007 in an on-field sense. To talk of divine rights for flags every second year and so on is just plainly silly, and it leads me to think perhaps they had little or no genuine connection with the club at all.

When I arrived, it was clear that about 10 to 12 of the key Reds' senior players were, for several reasons, not going to suit up in 2007. It seems Monash, NOBS, Friars and Parkdale suffered similarly during the off-season. (Frankly, I reckon Dale Bower did a great job with keeping the Vultures afloat, and shouldn't be judged on the club dropping from 3rd to 7th this year ;)).

We were all very concerned that we didn't have any goal-kicking forwards and would struggle to post competitive scores against the middling sides - let alone the OC's and Rupo. Our key position stocks were shot, and the recruits who came to the club were very much smaller running types (self included). The aim was to get as much run into the legs of our midfielders in pre-season, and hope we could run/carry and play a possession style of game, try to sneak 5 or 6 wins and stay up.

Personally, I lost 6 weeks myself due to a nasty bike accident where I broke my jaw in 3 places, and wasn't able to run (and definitely wasn't going to cycle!!!) for most of March and April. Whilst many boys did close to a full pre-season, several of the 2nd tier senior guys, for their own reasons, didn't front until late in the piece. I'm not really used to this but just presumed it was the way a C grade club operated.

Clearly I was wrong.

No doubt the sides who now continue into September worked their bums off in pre-season and, to their credit, are the four who rightfully get to play off for the flag and B grade in 2008.

On the upside, the club's financial position has been resuscitated and is now listed as serious but stable, instead of on life support. Further, on the playing side, our U19s won their 2nd semi and will now get a chance to make up for last years' GF loss and get promoted to Div 3 (which is crucial for a club's development in the VAFA). Obviously, I take some pride in the reserves' side finishing with an 11-7 record, after dropping 3 early games by small margins, and playing with great spirit. It has been a really good start to coaching, blessed with a cracking bunch of lads to play with, and I've learnt a lot in the last 5 months.

Yes there are many good people at the Reds, and Mappa and GWH are two of them. However in my experience there are good people at all VAFA clubs in all divisions - many of whom are posters on BF and will have enjoyed our season thus far. We all aim to win flags and generate success, but sometimes clubs lose their way and it takes more than one season of consolidation to properly re-group, and then get back on track. In the Reds' case, I feel they grew too fast for their own good and, unlike Rupertswood, haven't yet hit upon the proper recipe for sustained success. Hopefully this years' experience will provide a sober lesson and we can structure the club in the right way in the future.

No-one starts a season out trying to get relegated, but occasionally circumstances conspire, both before and during a season, to make that a more likely result than not. As Mappa has said, you simply take the medicine and try to bounce back as quickly as possible. I wish all you guys and girls at the final four clubs the best of luck, and to the NOBs crew, well at least the RedNOB Cup will continue in 2008. To the others who remain in C section - enjoy the month or two off, and make sure you (as I will) get your players back together as early as possible before the summer grass dies and we all get told to keep off the ovals again!!!

Cheers

Fraser
:thumbsu:


Great post. Very honest. I suppose in some ways I know where you are coming from when my club Old Paradians has suffered a similar fate over the past couple of years. When we played the Reds last year they seemed a really good bunch of blokes. Unfortunately one poster who claims to be a Reds person continually came on to the D1 Forum and sledged Old Paradians continuously. I suppose I developed a dislike of Reds purely because of one user which is most unfair I guess. The reds will rise again. Good luck to you and good luck to all those involved in finals.
 
Early whispers - 2nd Semi Final.

How do we halt the Hilton? This is the big question that will occupy plenty of time in the Rupo coaching meetings this week. He has kicked 32 goals in his last 4 appearances. Just who will Rupo play on him? Will he be double teamed? Perhaps Baddeley or even Collins will try and roam loose down back to curtail his influence and block space? Will they be able to handle the Chard at the same time? Interesting to ponder.

Lets get some tips happening for the big week of finals coming up.

I'm going for Camberwell by 73 in a romp. And Old Carey in a thriller by 3 points.

Let's roll out the tips.
 

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Early whispers - 2nd Semi Final.

How do we halt the Hilton? This is the big question that will occupy plenty of time in the Rupo coaching meetings this week. He has kicked 32 goals in his last 4 appearances. Just who will Rupo play on him? Will he be double teamed? Perhaps Baddeley or even Collins will try and roam loose down back to curtail his influence and block space? Will they be able to handle the Chard at the same time? Interesting to ponder.

Dave Collins has played 7 games this year, he has done his knee and had a full re-construction. He played the first 6 rounds, got into some wonderful form and did it. He attempted to play against OC1 and it was no good. One of the bravest footballers ever to walk on a football field. Is sorely missed. It will be a David and Goliath affair, but we are hoping it might be a coyote / roadrunner affair. Beep Beep!!!!!
 
Early whispers - 2nd Semi Final.

How do we halt the Hilton? This is the big question that will occupy plenty of time in the Rupo coaching meetings this week. He has kicked 32 goals in his last 4 appearances. Just who will Rupo play on him? Will he be double teamed? Perhaps Baddeley or even Collins will try and roam loose down back to curtail his influence and block space? Will they be able to handle the Chard at the same time? Interesting to ponder.

Dave Collins has played 7 games this year, he has done his knee and had a full re-construction. He played the first 6 rounds, got into some wonderful form and did it. He attempted to play against OC1 and it was no good. One of the bravest footballers ever to walk on a football field. Is sorely missed. It will be a David and Goliath affair, but we are hoping it might be a coyote / roadrunner affair. Beep Beep!!!!!

That is a shame. Hadn't picked up on that one. Saw him play last year and he certainly was a gun. Not much to look at (skinny and awkward) but the boy certainly had a massive game. A real general back there. Great hands. Hopefully he can make the full recovery. Players like that will be needed if you go up to B-Grade.

What are your tips KB for the weekends game. Obviously you will be going tipping Rupo by 3 points ala Jimmy Hird in the Papers when he tips his beloved bombers on a Friday.
 
Early whispers - 2nd Semi Final.

How do we halt the Hilton? This is the big question that will occupy plenty of time in the Rupo coaching meetings this week. He has kicked 32 goals in his last 4 appearances. Just who will Rupo play on him? Will he be double teamed? Perhaps Baddeley or even Collins will try and roam loose down back to curtail his influence and block space? Will they be able to handle the Chard at the same time? Interesting to ponder.

Dave Collins has played 7 games this year, he has done his knee and had a full re-construction. He played the first 6 rounds, got into some wonderful form and did it. He attempted to play against OC1 and it was no good. One of the bravest footballers ever to walk on a football field. Is sorely missed. It will be a David and Goliath affair, but we are hoping it might be a coyote / roadrunner affair. Beep Beep!!!!!


KB, Dave Collins is a superstar and is sorely missed from the blue and golds. In the Hilton case, surely the emphasis will be on closing down the supply. Easier said than done, but I believe Rupo have the cattle to do so and will prevail. 13Pts IMHO.
 
Perhaps the human cannon ball might start the ball rolling. Weather forecast is good, the Ammos have scheduled the game at Coburg because all our ex- Calder Cannons boys have played alot of football there and also we don't have to travel far, and Loats will be a little under done. It is a big ground so we are well suited. They are a great side OC1, however anything can happen in finals. Rupo by 15pts.

Mazenod and OC will go into triple overtime, playing an extra 40 minutes, with both coaches agreeing on goalkicking shootout from 40mtrs 5 players each and Nick Holland to kick last for OC1 to take them through or perhaps Jayaweera for Mazenod, but will be disqualified for going past the 40mtr mark.
If Martin Heppel plays OC1 would be better placed, but i believe Bonner will be back. In other words i am non-committal and am a hopeless tipster.
 
Well it sounded like there wasn't much to cheer about on Saturday! C Section has now been relegated from the Reds and D1 has been promoted. Lets hope a more successful direction can be chosen in '08, as '07 is a direction not selected since '00! Ah well, its all footy.

Can I pick yet another smokey that probably won't happen now solely because I picked it? Mazenod to progress to B Grade. (?)
 
Who is everybody tipping to win the league B & F this year?

I wouldn't mind knowing the odds on Paul Sullivan from Parkdale or Simon Keleher from Ormond. Any thoughts.......
 
Just rang Sportsbet:

Chamberlain Family winner (Mazenod) 3.70
Phillips Family Winner (Rupo) 4.10
Beranger (OC1) 5.70
Evans (OC2) 6.10
Baddeley (Rupo) 7.40
Cross (OC1) 8.90
Keleher (Orm) 9.10
Sullivan (Parkdale) 13.00
Monzell (Rupo) 14.50
Field - 3.00

These are the latest odds
 
Early whispers - 2nd Semi Final.

How do we halt the Hilton? This is the big question that will occupy plenty of time in the Rupo coaching meetings this week. He has kicked 32 goals in his last 4 appearances. Just who will Rupo play on him? Will he be double teamed? Perhaps Baddeley or even Collins will try and roam loose down back to curtail his influence and block space? Will they be able to handle the Chard at the same time? Interesting to ponder.

Lets get some tips happening for the big week of finals coming up.

I'm going for Camberwell by 73 in a romp. And Old Carey in a thriller by 3 points.

Let's roll out the tips.

I fancy the Nodders to continue on with their good work. They'll get home by 4 goals. Carey to lose the last 3 in a row and go out in a screaming heap!!

Form would dictate Camberwell by a minute. Not so sure about that though and I can sniff an upset. Rupo to get the money by 6 points!!

It's great to be alive at finals time...............
 

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I wouldn't mind knowing the odds on Paul Sullivan from Parkdale or Simon Keleher from Ormond. Any thoughts.......[/quote]

Paul Sullivan should pole well, shame his younger brother steals his votes because the umpires get them confused!!!
 
I fancy the Nodders to continue on with their good work. They'll get home by 4 goals. Carey to lose the last 3 in a row and go out in a screaming heap!!

Form would dictate Camberwell by a minute. Not so sure about that though and I can sniff an upset. Rupo to get the money by 6 points!!

It's great to be alive at finals time...............
Now Sausage, why would you say that? Whats the real story with Loats? Will he play or not?
 
What about Jayaweera from the Nodders as a smokey for the B&F. A great player, stands out when he plays well and does the flashy things in a side that won plenty of matches!
I didnt get to see all that much of Nodders this year but the 4 games i did see he played well in 2 of them and was best in another.Or am I just way off? Any thoughts? :confused:
 
who is going to win your club's b&f?

has the Quill done his team of the year yet?

Kelleher will win Ormonds

is the quill the guy in the VAFA magazine for C section?
if so, yes he has done one about 4-5 weeks abo, maybe he will do another now the H+A season is over.
 
Can you believe NOBS?

They sack their coach last night and appoint....wait for it....the president, without ant process!

Perhaps we can call him Grant Thomas!

What a joke!
 
Can you believe NOBS?

They sack their coach last night and appoint....wait for it....the president, without ant process!

Perhaps we can call him Grant Thomas!

What a joke!

YIKES
spose they have had a shocker season
but no prosses in finding a coach thats just silly.
 
Who is everybody tipping to win the league B & F this year?

I wouldn't mind knowing the odds on Paul Sullivan from Parkdale or Simon Keleher from Ormond. Any thoughts.......

I fancy Monzell from Ruppo pretty strongly.He's a prolific ball-winner ,plays right under the umpires nose and Ruppo won 15 games.Happy to take 12/1 for a spot.

Obviously I would like to see an OC1 bloke poll well but think they have been to even all year. Bayford has had a good season ,as has Cross,but I reckon Hendrie is a real smoky.

Paul Sullivan was very good against OC last weekend and judging by dispatches has had another great season.He'll poll well, just wonder if they've won enough games to get him over the line.

Keleher,although fairly quiet against OC1 in both games,is a quality player and fits into the same positive profile as Monzell,Sullivan and Bayford.He's sure to poll well.:)
 
whats the go at Rupo ??? I read the results earlier in the week and see one of their gun younger players actually played in the 19's.......was he dropped ? From reading previous results I don't think it was because of poor form, and their premier team didn't need to win to stay in Premier league or have any chance of playing finals....so what was the real reason ???? Can anyone shed some light
 
Zoo, the invites have gone out, so your club would know your highest poller. Rupo has 7 invited as they must have been equal in their votes, very even team, but i don't think we will have a winner. You would need 20-25 to win, 7 x 20 doesn't add up. 140 votes with total possible 108, with the likelyhood of Rupo getting around 84. 70/7 = 10, i'm tipping our highest poll winner will get 10.
 
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