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Coctchin won't be top 5. Rioli wil go close but that's it. Well done Palmer.
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Can anyone see Rioli or Cotchin beating Palmer for the rising star?
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Palmer may win the award but Cotchin is the Rising Star.
Palmer has been easily the best performing first-year player this season in my opinion.
Rioli second, PERFECT for what Hawthorn needed.
Cotchin oozes class, and looks like he'll be a star.
And I'm still happy with Kreuzer, too. No 19yo first year big man does what he's done.
Rioli second, PERFECT for what Hawthorn needed.
Cotchin oozes class, and looks like he'll be a star.
And I'm still happy with Kreuzer, too. No 19yo first year big man does what he's done.
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Then why does he butcher it within the first 5 minutes of games? Why isn't his disposal great at the start of each quarter?
Also, his hard running is the reason why he's any good, so no matter what his fitness is like he will always be bordering exhaustion by the end of the game and this won't do his kicking any favours.
Palmers getting touches in a junk team and COtchin has missed too much footy this year and looks tired.
Rioli isn't a midfielder and has to do all his work making an impact in the forward line where he's kicked a few goals set up plenty more and is tackling like a possesed terrier.
He's got Class,X Factor is playing just as well now as at the start of the year and in the biggest home and away game of the year under the most pressure any of the 1st years have faced he had a massive impact (the geelong game)
Rioli isn't a midfielder and has to do all his work making an impact in the forward line where he's kicked a few goals set up plenty more and is tackling like a possesed terrier.
He's got Class,X Factor is playing just as well now as at the start of the year and in the biggest home and away game of the year under the most pressure any of the 1st years have faced he had a massive impact (the geelong game)
I think Palmer will win the award but I am not too sure about your reasoning.
ALLthe kids mentioned in this thread are potentially great players. Time will tell which ones become real stars.
Last year's draft might go down as a great vintage!
1. Palmer - Gut running midfielder, just what we needed.
2. Kruezer - not many people have rated him on here but playing the hardest positions on the ground + doing a good job.
3. Rioli - just what the hawks needed to take this group forward.
4. Wanamirri - oozes talent and probly the most exciting of the lot.
5. any one between Morton/Cotchin/Ebert or possibly even Ibbotson but should go to one of the first three after been fantastic 1st year players.
Been a big fan of the game, i think this whole crop of youngsters that are evolving are great for the game.
2. Kruezer - not many people have rated him on here but playing the hardest positions on the ground + doing a good job.
3. Rioli - just what the hawks needed to take this group forward.
4. Wanamirri - oozes talent and probly the most exciting of the lot.
5. any one between Morton/Cotchin/Ebert or possibly even Ibbotson but should go to one of the first three after been fantastic 1st year players.
Been a big fan of the game, i think this whole crop of youngsters that are evolving are great for the game.
In the game where Fremantle got the CLOSEST to beating Geelong since Port, and still the closest this year besides Collingwood. Fremantle were down by 2 goals, and Rhys Palmer single handedly got them back into the game and was responsible for the pin point pass to Pavlich, who hit the post and we lost by a point.
Can't really compare disposals on a player that doesn't get nearly the same game time as Palmer. Id be curious to see how they stacked up stats wise for all its worth on a per minute played basis. I think Palmer will win it,it's a credit to Cotchin to be even in the same window of consideration as Rioli and Palmer. Since he didn't do a preseason and is coming off a broken ankle (I believe that was his injury) prior to being drafted. Effectively started his football for the year 1/3 of the way in.
Correct, I don't go out of my way to watch your lot. However, I still see the same amount of footy as most footy fans (as much as I can get) and he doesn't seem to be going as well as he was early on. And I did qualify it by saying from what I have seen, as you so boldly pointed out.
That isn't a slight on him. In fact, it is probably expected. No need to be a smart arse.
Well here is a stat for ya mate... in the last 4 matches for Palmer he had gathered 91 disposals and has kick 1 goal.... to riolis 47 disposals and 1 goal... now rioli should have kicked more goals than palmer but he hasnt... palmer shouldhave more disposals than rioli and he has... Therefore you can see your point is some what faulted
yet if you watched both Hawthorn and Freo, you would see rioli has had an impact with nearly all his disposals.
Cotchin:
69% game time
16.3 disposals
Palmer
75% game time
22.9 disposals
Though Palmer had 31 disposals in 66% game time against port, which is just ridiculous.
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And that wouldn't have anything to do with his playing more as a forward than a midfielder?
Palmer is winning a large number of Freo's clearances, an area which has been a major problem for a few years now. He is also delivering the ball into the forward 50 and clearing it from the defensive 50. He's not Matthew Pavlich, who you can expect to play in the midfield and still kick a bag of goals.
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This was after he'd played on Selwood who single-handedly turn the game by himself.
yeah but Strachnie would be your 2nd best mid if he played for the Dockers so thats not saying much
Dumb post... Rioli is in a forward line with Franklin, Rough, Willo etc etc i.e. has a lot of competition for the ball..
Palmer is in a midfield with S McManus, H Black ect ect with Sandilands tapping the ball to him. Surprised he gets a lot of ball???
Rioli has kicked one of the top 3 goals of the year and taken one of the top 5 marks of the year. Layed the best tackle of the year... The man is the "Rising Star"..... wont win it though
But still even with Franklin, Rough, Willo ect in a forward line you would expect anyone who plays in there to get more than just 1 goal in the past month. And you have only listed the retirees of the year.... mcmanus, black ect. in our midfield. When we have schammer, carr, and ibbotson +mundy in the centre.+sandi, they have helped us along with palmer win the clearance count in the past 3 matches. So lol you have a dumb post
watched much of Hawthorn in the past month? you would have noticed that Rioli has played off half back or the Wing, and spent time in the middle. he probably only spends about 10 minutes per match up forward, as we have had Osborne and now Stokes to step in as the crumber role to help Rioli develop in a variety of roles.
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Got it in one.
The few times I have seen Palmer he has butchered the ball, in fact he seems to struggle to hit a target 30 metres away.
I think by sheer weight of possesions he will more than likely win it.
I agree that both Rioli and Cotchin are much more damaging.
not sure if anyone has mentioned him already, but surely garrick ibbotson has to be in contention? he has had a sensational year, just about on a par with palmer re the effect he has on games i would have thought. he has been far more consistent than rioli and played more games than cotchin
Yeah, Ibbotson's numbers are basically better than Cotchin in almost all areas, but no one really notices!
I have loved watching Ibbotson and haven't understood why he hasn't been talked up as much as a Rioli. I think he will finish top 3 for the rising star.
1 - Palmer
2 - Rioli
3 - Ibbotson
1 - Palmer
2 - Rioli
3 - Ibbotson
Yes, it is a circle jerk, but Bickley and Mainwaring were previously on the voting panel so there is some non-Victorian representation.
Any award that involves Walls, Healy and Bartlett in the voting has zero credibility in my books.
I think Rioli is more talented than Palmer though probably hasn't got enough of the ball to win it... Cotchin hasn't played enough games IMO.
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