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Carlton posters are all over this thread, saying 'you're doing recruiting wrong'
Did you tell you're mum? Maybe she can get them banned or get a time out..
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Carlton posters are all over this thread, saying 'you're doing recruiting wrong'
Did you tell you're mum? Maybe she can get them banned or get a time out..
We rested so many players we played a kid who isnt even on an AFL list.
LMFAO what a post.To answer the OP, no, they cannot succeed. Hawthorn has simply loaded up on moderately skilled older players to try and keep the dream alive. They have the oldest list in the league with no real hint of major improvement. Guys like JOM, Wingard & TMitch have reached their ceilings and Stratton, Bruest, Smith & Roughead are all on their way down. They have no good players under 23.
We rested all three of our rucks, plus Cripps and Fisher. We literally had Ed Curnow rucking against McEvoy, with the latter ramming it down JOM's throat.
Our starting midfield was Dow, Walsh, SPS with Setterfield and Gibbons rotating through. They;re all basically 0-2 year players with a combined 50 AFL games between the 5 of them (almost all coming from Dow and SPS who are 20 years old).
We also had Garlett playing in defence where he apparently handed 4 goals to you blokes via direct turnovers. Had a crocker.
I wouldnt read too much into it.
We played a top up ruckman in the 2nd half, give it a rinse mate. You where horrid, you're going to be horrid, I can say that because I don't think we will be any better than a mid run team and it was like an intra club match for us for the 1st 3 qtrs. Sorry but thats the reality.
Hawthorn are stuffed after Clarko leaves as coach in 2-3 years time, and we all know it.
Think it will be similar downwards spiral to Manchester United, after Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
Manchester United are 4th on the EPL table.
Hawthorn are stuffed after Clarko leaves as coach in 2-3 years time, and we all know it.
Think it will be similar downwards spiral to Manchester United, after Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
Luckily he just signed a 4 year contract extension in October ayeHawthorn are stuffed after Clarko leaves as coach in 2-3 years time, and we all know it.
Think it will be similar downwards spiral to Manchester United, after Sir Alex Ferguson retired.
After going through 4 managers in 5 years and suffering their worst EPL season in 14 years.That was a brilliant correlation that dude made... ManYooo are CL and Europa league regulars, and under Ole have been the most exciting team in the 2nd half of the season to watch. Sometimes you just need to face plant.
Then you have Stratton, Birchall, Frawley, Puopolo. All these can't be replaced with top ups and picks in the 60s.
Early days, but I hear hawks no name young midfield made a mess of Carlton’s, the one chock full of early draft picks today.
One swallow and all that, but you’d think Carlton’s young stars could handle a bunch of no names
That was a brilliant correlation that dude made... ManYooo are CL and Europa league regulars, and under Ole have been the most exciting team in the 2nd half of the season to watch. Sometimes you just need to face plant.
Hawthorn's 2018 Best and Fairest and their ages
1. Tom Mitchell (25.8)
2. Blake Hardwick (22.0)
3. Isaac Smith (30.1)
4. Jack Gunston (27.4)
5. Jaeger O’Meara (24.11)
6. Luke Breust (28.3)
7. Ben Stratton (29.11)
8. Ben McEvoy (29.7)
9. Liam Shiels (27.9)
10. James Sicily (24.1)
So in terms of important players approaching retirement age Hawthorn are not in too bad shape. Only Smith, Stratten and perhaps Shiels and McEvoy are even approaching retirement age and even they are a few years off.
And comparing to say Carlton:
1st - Patrick Cripps 23.11
2nd - Kade Simpson 34.9
3rd - Ed Curnow, Charlie Curnow 29.3 and 22
5th - Dale Thomas 31.8
6th - Liam Jones 27.11
7th - Zac Fisher 20.8
8th - Sam Rowe retired 31.3
9th - Matthew Wright retired 29.2
10th - Marc Murphy 31.7
So one 30+ player in the Hawks top 10, and 4 in Carlton's. Hawthorn have 6 in the top 10 under 29, Carlton had 4. I think it is pretty clear which team is being held together by players on the verge of retirement.
Hawthorn's VFA side just won a VFL grand final, so they still have plenty of youth to draw on that isn't already in the best 22. Carlton's issue is that their quality youth is largely already playing in the best 22, so when Murphy, Thomas, Simpson (and Kruezer who probably would have been top 10 if not for injury) retire, they not only need their current best 22 young kids to step up, they also need to find new players to replace them in the best 22. Good luck getting those from the Carlton players running around in their VFL affiliate side who came 4th last in 2018, and has been in the bottom 4 for 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
Simmo aside, our older statesmen will still be there in a couple of years time.
By the time Thomas/Murphy/Curnow are ready to retire our drafted mids will be in their 4th/5th/6th years, which is roughly the age they’re established senior footballers.
I wouldn’t put much credence into BnF positions from last year.
We rested all three of our rucks, plus Cripps and Fisher. We literally had Ed Curnow rucking against McEvoy, with the latter ramming it down JOM's throat.
Our starting midfield was Dow, Walsh, SPS with Setterfield and Gibbons rotating through. They;re all basically 0-2 year players with a combined 50 AFL games between the 5 of them (almost all coming from Dow and SPS who are 20 years old).
We also had Garlett playing in defence where he apparently handed 4 goals to you blokes via direct turnovers. Had a crocker.
I wouldnt read too much into it.
Try telling that to the folks that think we are about to drop off a cliff because our older statesmen are all about to leave. Roughy may well be in his last year, but replacing Roughy in 2018 form isn't going to be hard in terms of pure on field contribution as a key forward goes. We don't need a Lynch to provide what Roughy was capable of providing last year. We also seem to get no credit for the fact that we successfully transitioned out Sam Mitchell, Hodge, Gibson, Lake, Hale, Lewis in the post seasons of 2015-2017 and still managed top 4 H&A in 2018. Why are people so convinced we can't continue to bring in players like JOM, T.Mitchell, Wingard and (hopefully) Scully while developing a few kids like Hardwick and Sicily to replace the guys next on the departure list? Hawthorn have a track record of being able to move on players and still perform well enough to get a double chance (not that we made good use of it last year), so I don't see why we can't continue the transition process without a massive fall off.
How many of those mids are not already playing? Obviously Walsh hasn't played a senior game yet and will be one of those, but if the others are already in the best 22 (as I suspect they are given your 4th,5th,6th year estimates given Murphy and Thomas will be 33 by the end of next year's season) , where are the other best 22 replacements coming from?
I don't think Bnf is a great way of rating your best players, as Bnf results can reflect contributions more than skill, with guys that put in 100% efforts every week often batting above their average in the bnf results, but it is clear a lot of your major contributors are getting long in the tooth. IMO you've done well in recruiting in the last few years, but you need to keep it up, because of the factor I mentioned - you've got talented guys that can step into the shoes of those leaving, but they are largely already playing seniors for Carlton, so you need a new batch of non-plodders to fill the spots under them. Maybe you've got more depth at VFL than the Northern Blue's performances make out, but I suspect you'll need to continue to recruit well to fill the spots. Or follow Hawthorn's blueprint for past success and start filling those spots from other sources. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Na, Sicily is a genuine gun.I hate Hawthorn as much as the next person.
I would take Hardwick in a heartbeat. Genuine gun.