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Carlton are awful. Don't compare yourself to Carlton unless you are setting your sights on 16th/17th.
Well his name is Pessimistic
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Carlton are awful. Don't compare yourself to Carlton unless you are setting your sights on 16th/17th.
Carlton are awful. Don't compare yourself to Carlton unless you are setting your sights on 16th/17th.
Hawthorn have done remarkably well to stay competitive while turning over their list, no doubt. Whether that translates into more flags into the future is anyone’s guess but at absolute base-level they’ve continued to fill holes in their list while developing young talent from mid-range and later selections.
Our challenge is to get to the level where we’re attracting talented players (which we have, but players with limited experience) and developing the players we’ve already acquired through the draft and targeted trades. Naturally they’re linked. If SPS, Fisher, McKay, Curnow et al continue on their current trajectory, the transition will be an easy one.
Sure many of our young players are already playing, but many aren’t playing at a consistent standard due to inexperience. In most other teams they’d be playing in the seconds, but many are getting games out of necessity. Those guys need time playing with a cohesive squad and vice versa. You can’t expect to be competitive with a huge chunk of the squad playing less than 50 games.
I think we’re starting to get to get the balance right, and we’ve almost got the requisite number of games into young players to be competitive week-to-week (like to Brisbane Lions last year). If Walsh can come in and be a strong contributor straight away and guys like Cuningham, Fisher and SPS go to another level that will help our midfield exponentially, and that is a current area of weakness.
For instance you have a young kid SPS, basically the same age as Worpel.. one is an early pick, flashy and has talent, the other is a junior captain, no thrills and works his ring off. I know who I’d take! Is SPS a product of environment? Same as Dow, he looks a nice footballer but in my view, he should be better. Is there that much difference between James Cousins and Paddy Dow in terms of what they can offer at AFL level? Reality is there’s not.
I think the real question is, what sort of development program do Carlton run? You can’t have the amount of elite young talent coming into your club each year and still be an extremely poor onfield team.
On paper Carlton looked to have a list of talented and elite juniors who have struggled to adapt or progress to the highest level. It’s not to say they won’t, but there is little to suggest the current crop has enough to turn Carlton into a genuine finals team.
Early days, but I hear hawks no name young midfield made a mess of Carlton’s, the one chock full of early draft picks today.
One swallow and all that, but you’d think Carlton’s young stars could handle a bunch of no names
Virtually all of whom came from the 2015 draft onwards (Weitering, Curnow, McKay, Cuningham, Kennedy). Meaning they have had (at most) 3 years of AFL football, and are only now in their 4th preseason Three of those five are KPPs. Curnow missed most of his 1st year with glandular fever and Kennedy has had a serious shoulder injury over that time.
SPS, Setterfield and Fisher came the year after in 2016 (and 2 of those players have had injuries including an ACL and a broken leg) and have only had 2 years of AFL football and are now in their 3rd pre-season. Dow and OBrien have only had the 1 year of AFL footy, and Stocker and Walsh have yet to play an AFL game.
The general rule is that it takes around 4 years in the system before you're doing more than contributing at AFL level. Even the best players of recent years (GAJ, Watson, Dusty, Danger) werent setting the world on fire in their first 3-4 years; generally this doesnt happen for most players till they reach that 4 pre-season mark and approach 100 games (around 22-23 years of age).
Look at GWS who were loaded with gun kids, but got repeatedly flogged for the first few years while those kids got stronger and got games into them.
There are exceptions to the general rule of course, and some players start with a bang. But we often make the mistake of expecting too much from players aged 18-21 in their first 3 or so years in the system.
Re Carlton, we'll be fine. We just need a couple of years to get some games into the above kids, fill them out, and build them into a team.
Got to say I never know what "on paper" really means? Its always on the ground that means anything, and this is practice time folks.
Pessimistic blowing his load after a scratch match win against the team that won the wooden spoon. Lol.
OkGreat post. In the fact you could post it in nearly every autopsy thread, seem slightly relevant but in fact adding absolutely nothing
The Swiss army knif of posts. Does many things, but none satisfactorily
Great post. In the fact you could post it in nearly every autopsy thread, seem slightly relevant but in fact adding absolutely nothing
The Swiss army knif of posts. Does many things, but none satisfactorily
How did you get ahold of my old year 12 report card?
Certainly the production is a tv show but the facts show best players come rounds 1 and 2 draftBit early yet, to see real battle conditions, but , the draft has to be had, also though it doesn't mean a thing when we know there are always failures , you are never going to tell. The draft is a TV show now.
If you operate on long term plans and pull in youngsters over time rather that winning all one years best drafts, I think you can fit them when you want them and maybe blood them for 2 or 3 years at Box Hill.
That is what Kennedy Snr did , I remember being wrapped that Tuckey had player two years as a reserve player before getting the nod for seniors, then went on for years. Someone may correct me there , but I thought in times gone by it was a normal practice at Hawthorn .
Making a prediction isn't a fact.Certainly the production is a tv show but the facts show best players come rounds 1 and 2 draft
The fact your club and mine has had limited access to them over past 10 years is a reason hawthorn and Geelong are just making up numbers 2019
2 facts quotedMaking a prediction isn't a fact.
Try your last line out for size again, mate.2 facts quoted
1.Record of picks round 1 and 2
2. Geelong and hawthorn number of r1 and 2 picks
The fact your club and mine has had limited access to them over past 10 years is a reason hawthorn and Geelong are just making up numbers 2019
JeezusTry your last line out for size again, mate.
You're making a prediction about this year based on draft picks.
We get it, you're still sulking over finals losses but there's no need to continually post about them. Try and enter the season in a positive frame of mind and you might enjoy it more.
wouldnt be surprised if the most successful 1 and 2 picks came to hawthorn2 facts quoted
1.Record of picks round 1 and 2
2. Geelong and hawthorn number of r1 and 2 picks
Only when washed upwouldnt be surprised if the most successful 1 and 2 picks came to hawthorn
Your opinion still isn't fact, which is the point of this exchange.Jeezus
Not sure why you are so sensitive about my predictions.
I suggest you dont have access to top draft picks over time it bites.
Its hardly a controversial opinion
Correct my opinion isnt fact.Your opinion still isn't fact, which is the point of this exchange.
You sure did.Correct my opinion isnt fact.
Never implied it was
OkaaayYou sure did.