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Never thought Worsfold was a great coach tbh. Eagles underachieved under him and he let the drug culture run wild. Essendon has a better team than the results of the past 18 months suggest.
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Can Worsfold survive?
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Is your source on this a Richmond fan? Fair enough if not
Haha, no, no sources, just has been the talk for a while now.
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So you think his o/u for flags with that side was 0.5?
He certainly wasn't "fortuitously carried to a flag", which was your initial post.
Given the circumstances, I'd say he did well and we were every chance with circumstances to have zero flags from that period.
I hope Worsfold gets til the end of the year but ultimately if he doesn't get us a finals win this year then there's not much else to say other than we've failed to progress as a team in the last 2 years since 2017 where we limped into the finals and got destroyed. This idea that Worsfold is being picked on because he's from interstate is ridiculous. He's only being judged on his performance, that's it.
its a tough one.
We started bad. Really bad.
GWS are good but we were pathetic. WCE are good, we were just as pathetic.
The saints and swans losses were telling.
Say we beat GWS tomorrow. And upset Adelaide. And win the rest other than a Rd23 loss to the Pies
We could still finish 5th. We could arguably be 5th had we taken advantage of the swans and saints games.
I would be shocked if that happened though.
the lack of a decent forward line really hasnt helped.
As players got some good form (Smack, Brown, Daniher, Fantasia, Stringer), they get injured.
its hard to judge based on this.
We have been very bad. But no stability in the scoring end of the ground doesnt help
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Reckon if he loses tomorrow he is dead man walking. Will see out the year but gone over the offseason
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Mark Robinson: Essendon must make the finals to save John Worsfold’s job
The die is cast at Essendon.
If John Worsfold is to coach the Bombers next year, his team needs to play finals.
If they don’t play finals, he’s almost certain to be replaced, despite having 12 months to run on a contract.
The Herald Sun believes the frustration levels at Essendon are peaking after another middling and mediocre season and the focus has turned to the coach and his coaching group.
The lack of consistency of effort and performance is central to the frustration.
The club must be questioning if Worsfold’s philosophy of empowering the players is the right philosophy for this group.
That might say more about the maturity of the team and the players’ inability to accept responsibility more than it does about Worsfold.
But the game plan and match-day tactics are increasingly questioned by former players, led by club great Matthew Lloyd and to a lesser extent Tim Watson, and former coaches in the media.
There are positives, such as the improvement in defence, and there are excuses, such as the expansive injury list.
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Essendon coach John Worsfold is a man under pressure. Picture: Michael Klein
But it’s apparent the Essendon board and senior officials believe the results should be better than their mid-table standing.
Essendon is 6-7 ahead of tonight’s match against Greater Western Sydney.
A defeat would mean they would have to win at least six, probably seven of their remaining eight games to play finals.
The outlook is bleak, but not impossible.
Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell has made some strong calls in recent years.
He axed James Hird, Mark Thompson, Mark Neeld and Neil Craig, among others, so a decision to move on Worsfold would not daunt him.
Campbell and football director and premiership defender Sean Wellman would ultimately make a decision on the coach, before making a recommendation to the board.
And it would be a tough call. Worsfold is held in the highest of esteem at Essendon.
He was appointed coach in October 2015, becoming what’s been termed a “wartime’’ coach.
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John Worsfold was all smiles in October 2015 when he was unveiled as the Dons’ new coach. Picture: Michael Klein
His first year was Essendon’s worst, winning three games in the face of mass suspensions, before drafting No.1 pick Andrew McGrath.
He made finals in 2017, prompting a surge of off-season signings which included Jake Stringer, Adam Saad and Devon Smith.
At the end of last year, they added dynamo midfielder Dylan Shiel.
A combination of top-shelf recruits and existing All Australians, including Michael Hurley, Cale Hooker, Dyson Heppell and Zach Merrett, presented lofty expectations.
The simple question Essendon has to ask itself is: With this talent, should the team be better placed? The answer is yes.
Worsfold has been a pillar through difficult times, a calm, strong character when the team and club climbed out of the darkness.
To that point, the drugs saga is yesterday’s news.
How does Robbo think the Bombers will fare in the back half of the season?
While external observers have suggested the club is still struggling after those years of torment, internally the club won’t accept that as an excuse.
A respected figure, Worsfold is also a curious figure to Bomber fans.
His game style has been a team that creates drive from halfback through the corridor.
When that system fails, fans wonder about the Plan B.
They are a bit of a furphy, these Plan Bs, but what has come under focus is Essendon’s inability to fight in games.
The Bombers can’t adapt to situations in games when things are going against them.
It’s often wondered just how a player of Worsfold’s tenacity can coach a team that is often exposed for a lack of tenacity.
There are basic questions, too, such as a lack of improvement outside Darcy Parish and Mason Redman.
What’s happened to David Myers, Aaron Francis and Kyle Langford?
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Darcy Parish is one of few young Bombers living up to his potential. Picture: AAP
The Bombers have only kicked more than 75 points in one game since Round 5.
That probably correlates with a defensive adjustments — because there’s always a reaction — but again, why is Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti so inconsistent?
The situation will be a delicate one for Campbell and Wellman.
If the Bombers’ finals aspirations end soon — they play five top-eight sides in the run home — do they start shopping for a new coach alongside Carlton and North Melbourne, or wait until the season officially ends.
It would be terrible situation if they made inquiries about the likes of Fremantle’s Ross Lyon while Worsfold was still at the helm.
But can they wait until the end of the year?
The die is cast at Essendon.
If John Worsfold is to coach the Bombers next year, his team needs to play finals.
If they don’t play finals, he’s almost certain to be replaced, despite having 12 months to run on a contract.
The Herald Sun believes the frustration levels at Essendon are peaking after another middling and mediocre season and the focus has turned to the coach and his coaching group.
The lack of consistency of effort and performance is central to the frustration.
The club must be questioning if Worsfold’s philosophy of empowering the players is the right philosophy for this group.
That might say more about the maturity of the team and the players’ inability to accept responsibility more than it does about Worsfold.
But the game plan and match-day tactics are increasingly questioned by former players, led by club great Matthew Lloyd and to a lesser extent Tim Watson, and former coaches in the media.
There are positives, such as the improvement in defence, and there are excuses, such as the expansive injury list.
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Essendon coach John Worsfold is a man under pressure. Picture: Michael Klein
But it’s apparent the Essendon board and senior officials believe the results should be better than their mid-table standing.
Essendon is 6-7 ahead of tonight’s match against Greater Western Sydney.
A defeat would mean they would have to win at least six, probably seven of their remaining eight games to play finals.
The outlook is bleak, but not impossible.
Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell has made some strong calls in recent years.
He axed James Hird, Mark Thompson, Mark Neeld and Neil Craig, among others, so a decision to move on Worsfold would not daunt him.
Campbell and football director and premiership defender Sean Wellman would ultimately make a decision on the coach, before making a recommendation to the board.
And it would be a tough call. Worsfold is held in the highest of esteem at Essendon.
He was appointed coach in October 2015, becoming what’s been termed a “wartime’’ coach.
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John Worsfold was all smiles in October 2015 when he was unveiled as the Dons’ new coach. Picture: Michael Klein
His first year was Essendon’s worst, winning three games in the face of mass suspensions, before drafting No.1 pick Andrew McGrath.
He made finals in 2017, prompting a surge of off-season signings which included Jake Stringer, Adam Saad and Devon Smith.
At the end of last year, they added dynamo midfielder Dylan Shiel.
A combination of top-shelf recruits and existing All Australians, including Michael Hurley, Cale Hooker, Dyson Heppell and Zach Merrett, presented lofty expectations.
The simple question Essendon has to ask itself is: With this talent, should the team be better placed? The answer is yes.
Worsfold has been a pillar through difficult times, a calm, strong character when the team and club climbed out of the darkness.
To that point, the drugs saga is yesterday’s news.
How does Robbo think the Bombers will fare in the back half of the season?
While external observers have suggested the club is still struggling after those years of torment, internally the club won’t accept that as an excuse.
A respected figure, Worsfold is also a curious figure to Bomber fans.
His game style has been a team that creates drive from halfback through the corridor.
When that system fails, fans wonder about the Plan B.
They are a bit of a furphy, these Plan Bs, but what has come under focus is Essendon’s inability to fight in games.
The Bombers can’t adapt to situations in games when things are going against them.
It’s often wondered just how a player of Worsfold’s tenacity can coach a team that is often exposed for a lack of tenacity.
There are basic questions, too, such as a lack of improvement outside Darcy Parish and Mason Redman.
What’s happened to David Myers, Aaron Francis and Kyle Langford?
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Darcy Parish is one of few young Bombers living up to his potential. Picture: AAP
The Bombers have only kicked more than 75 points in one game since Round 5.
That probably correlates with a defensive adjustments — because there’s always a reaction — but again, why is Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti so inconsistent?
The situation will be a delicate one for Campbell and Wellman.
If the Bombers’ finals aspirations end soon — they play five top-eight sides in the run home — do they start shopping for a new coach alongside Carlton and North Melbourne, or wait until the season officially ends.
It would be terrible situation if they made inquiries about the likes of Fremantle’s Ross Lyon while Worsfold was still at the helm.
But can they wait until the end of the year?
Like I said earlier in the year.
Bombers got overhyped to generate copy and when they don't manage to reach unrealistic expectations they get a second wave of articles.
Worsfold losing his job will be a third wave.
Bombers got overhyped to generate copy and when they don't manage to reach unrealistic expectations they get a second wave of articles.
Worsfold losing his job will be a third wave.
You are blind son.
Contrast Woosha's treatment by the local Melbourne media to Melbourne boy Brad Scott who went to St Kevins - an elite inner eastern suburbs Melbourne private school.
Woosha has coached a flag but the Melbourne media feel free to pile on.
Brad Scott has done nothing as a coach in 10 years yet the Melbourne media treat him as though he were Jock McHale.
I'll put good money on Brad Scott getting another senior coaching job in Melbourne next year. The Melbourne media love him. He gets great PR.
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If they get cleaned up Thursday night i reckon he’s gone come Monday.
Carlton and North are already hunting coaches and St.Kilda appear poised to join them.
Essendon won’t be able to sit on their hands till seasons end, they’ll have to get active and join the hunt lest they be left with the dregs.
If North were to shake Longmire loose and in turn Sydney lure Dew back to the SCG, suddenly GC join the hunt as well.
Likewise Carlton landing Lyon or Clarkson ... Fremantle or Hawthorn join the race.
Lose tomorrow night and with that finals almost certainly done and dusted, the dons just can’t afford to wait ...
Carlton and North are already hunting coaches and St.Kilda appear poised to join them.
Essendon won’t be able to sit on their hands till seasons end, they’ll have to get active and join the hunt lest they be left with the dregs.
If North were to shake Longmire loose and in turn Sydney lure Dew back to the SCG, suddenly GC join the hunt as well.
Likewise Carlton landing Lyon or Clarkson ... Fremantle or Hawthorn join the race.
Lose tomorrow night and with that finals almost certainly done and dusted, the dons just can’t afford to wait ...
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Not a chance.
The dogs of war are already off the leash, he won’t survive ...
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He’s had some bad luck but a lot of his own making too. Favoured under performing senior players like Myers, Zaharakis, Baguley for far too long. He’s never set the standard by dropping one. Draper was arguably the best performing listed ruckman not getting games and got injured in the twos when he should have been our number one yet even Clarke was getting selected second string over him,
presumably because of seniority. He selected injured and underdone players at the start of the year which got us off a shocking start. He also doesn’t have a plan b and if we lose our run off half back we can’t get our game going.
Too many mistakes and a few key injuries aren’t enough to excuse them.
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We might as well let him see out 2020.
Any new coach in 2020 will be pressured to perform straight away with Hurley and Hooker being so close to the end and we will be left disappointed again.
I would place an embargo on trading away draft picks this year if Woosh stays, wouldn't be fair on a new coach to not have a first selection in successive years.
Any new coach in 2020 will be pressured to perform straight away with Hurley and Hooker being so close to the end and we will be left disappointed again.
I would place an embargo on trading away draft picks this year if Woosh stays, wouldn't be fair on a new coach to not have a first selection in successive years.
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Are they close? Could easily do a Brian lake and play until 34, both are still playing excellent football and aren’t really reliant on their pace.
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I don't agree, but your view is valid. Not going to keep going back and forth.
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Hurley certainly wasn't dependent on his pace against an ageing, busted up Kennedy on Thursday night. Admittedly he copped an absolute bath.
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Average list led by a outdated coach. You are performing to expectation. 15 years without a finals win and counting.
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Yep, great midfield, but dodgy forward line.
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He was having a laugh, obviously.
I found it funny.......tell me he was joking
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