Capuano sacked

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Hearts to hearts
Ordinary people management, which is what I thought the St Kilda coach was supposed to be good at, whatever his other shortcomings.

Matty you have two weeks to prove your worth keeping otherwise we're going to let you go.

The only thing that kept him this year (contracts notwithstanding) was Everitt leaving, it was hoped he could shoulder the ruckwork for 1 more year. Saints fans have been questioning his selection for 3 weeks, he is no longer up to AFL standard in the ruck and is unable to play any other position. He has played 1 good game for St Kilda, there is no sentiment as there might be with a Burke/Loewe/Harvey.

It's not kindergarten.

 

[Fred]

Less input in the last three games than Hayes would have in a quarter.

 

[saintsrule]

Originally posted by jerry springer
yeah id be happy to discuss thosepremiership winning players anytime.

Have a nice day!

Millane... the ultimate undisciplined act ...surpassed by none!
Now run away and get mummy to wipe your nose!

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Matty you have two weeks to prove your worth keeping otherwise we're going to let you go.

It's not kindergarten.

Can't really agree with you on that one.

Thomas might be trying to play the "tough guy" on the "shape up or ship out", but he's chosen an easy target in Capuano. If one of the St.Kilda youngsters started to get injuries and show poor form over half a season, would he then pull the same trick as he seems to have done on Capuano?

I really can't see why the Saints just didn't let him play out the year with Springvale. The guy, whenever he was fit, was always in the North seniors during the 90s, he has finals experience, and has 2 Premiership medals from 3 Grand Finals - surely Thomas, if he's as good a people manager as the Saints claim, could have used that experience to help motivate the young Saints. No disrespect to the likes of Harvey and Burke (who are much better players than Capuano), but ultimately, they haven't had the same experience of success as Capuano has.

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Matty you have two weeks to prove your worth keeping otherwise we're going to let you go.

It's not kindergarten.

Clearly not. Matt's fingerpainting is not up to scratch obviously.

To me, this smacks of over compensation by a coach desperate to stamp his authority over a side, and is a blatent attempt to send a message to the competition and to his players.

Problem is he is sending the wrong friggen message.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by localyokel
There has to be something more to all this.

Ummmmmmm. Ok I will bite just to see whether or not what I heard a couple of weeks ago has any truth to it.


Was it the rub of the green that sank Matty? His rasta tendencies?

 

[saintsrule]

I believe it was simply a hard headed business decision. After all, footy clubs are run as buisinesses now and St. Kilda is running on a leaner budget than most. Was Capuano's contract performance based? If so, Murray's promotion will cost them significantly less.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Can't really agree with you on that one.

Thomas might be trying to play the "tough guy" on the "shape up or ship out", but he's chosen an easy target in Capuano. If one of the St.Kilda youngsters started to get injuries and show poor form over half a season, would he then pull the same trick as he seems to have done on Capuano?

Beetham?

Originally posted by Shinboners

I really can't see why the Saints just didn't let him play out the year with Springvale. .

Fair enough on that point, but I'm not 100% on the relationship there, do we use Springvale as a feeder or do we want Springvale to win. I honestly don't know.

Originally posted by Shinboners

The guy, whenever he was fit, was always in the North seniors during the 90s, he has finals experience, and has 2 Premiership medals from 3 Grand Finals - surely Thomas, if he's as good a people manager as the Saints claim, could have used that experience to help motivate the young Saints.

when he was fit he had a great leap, he now has none and can't make that up with the bullocking boundary work either.

Originally posted by Shinboners

No disrespect to the likes of Harvey and Burke (who are much better players than Capuano), but ultimately, they haven't had the same experience of success as Capuano has.

we should have gone for Aaron Keating, he has had more experience of success than Harvey/Burke.

I still think the decision is more about perceived culture issues, 2 weeks to turn it around or you're expendable, the same message will now be delivered to Knobel and Oliver, that being we will not carry anyone at STKFC.

 

[Gopies 2002]

Poor act by the Saints.

Where does it leave the player ? he cannot go to another club now so basically they have just finished his year and probably career.


And they will have to pay out his contract anyway so why not just drop him to the AFL instead of embarrassing him in this manner.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Gopies 2002
Poor act by the Saints.

Where does it leave the player ? he cannot go to another club now so basically they have just finished his year and probably career.


And they will have to pay out his contract anyway so why not just drop him to the AFL instead of embarrassing him in this manner.

Espeacially as Kositsche snaps in half every time he steps on to the field, and the rest of them are unproven and underdeveloped kids.

If injury was a genuine issue Capuano would have been given the dignity of retirement, or the option to play out the year for Springvale. Something smells here.

 

[Voice of Reason]

I suggest also that the full story has not been told.

I think it's remarkable that the coach thinks that Capuano has nothing to pass on to his up and coming ruck players.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Beetham?

Assuming that the same reasoning applied to the Capuano situation as Beetham, then you could only assume that this man management technique hasn't worked. Will they try it on a third player?

As a point of difference though, Beetham didn't seem to want to play AFL footy and the Saints seemed to do everything they could to convince him to stay. I would think that Capuano would have wanted to keep on playing AFL - if he didn't, then why didn't he simply retire?

Fair enough on that point, but I'm not 100% on the relationship there, do we use Springvale as a feeder or do we want Springvale to win. I honestly don't know.

Either way, I would have thought that Capuano's experience would have been useful. Also keep in mind that he's gone through 2 knee reconstructions, endured chronic injuries, and still won a couple of Premiership medals - I would have thought that he would have been useful to keep around the club to help encourage any kids you had who have had long term or chronic injuries (like Kostchitske).

when he was fit he had a great leap, he now has none and can't make that up with the bullocking boundary work either.

Very true.

Back in '94 when the Pagan tried to get Olarenshaw from Essendon, Sheedy demanded Capuano in return and the Roos refused.

we should have gone for Aaron Keating, he has had more experience of success than Harvey/Burke.

Touche!

I still think the decision is more about perceived culture issues, 2 weeks to turn it around or you're expendable, the same message will now be delivered to Knobel and Oliver, that being we will not carry anyone at STKFC.

You might make the fabric of the club stronger in one area (we're not carrying you), but weaker in another (we're not going to be loyal to you). The other message it might send is that the club won't support players through tough times. If they players start to perceive that, then that will weaken the bonds for them to stay at St.Kilda.

Who knows? It might work in the end. Clubs like Richmond and Carlton in the 70s and 80s were ruthless in getting rid of players they felt were no longer up to standard. But in an era where clubs can't simply go out and buy ready made replacements, I think the Saints may have erred on this issue.

 

[saintsrule]

Just heard GT on ABC radio. Said Capuano did not want to play out the year with Springvale.

 

[Ausgard]

Be interesting to hear something from Matty. Don't know what would be more interesting - Capuano chucking a hissy fit at his old club or him agreeing with club.

Can't wait for Caro to say "my sources indicate that ... " and to then be proved completely wrong yet still feel no reason to offer a retraction

 

[Ausgard]

Originally posted by saintsrule
Just heard GT on ABC radio. Said Capuano did not want to play out the year with Springvale.

So give him the choice

you are going to be picked for springvale or you can retire

then its up to him rather than making the club look evil for a mid season sacking.

Unless something comes up in the future I reckon its just a dud act that Thomas used to prove to the faithful that he can flex his pecks - as other people have said - some "man-manager" he is

 

[Unwritten_Law]

Originally posted by hotpie
If injury was a genuine issue Capuano would have been given the dignity of retirement, or the option to play out the year for Springvale. Something smells here.

I know nothing about contracts but is it possible that after being given the arse Capuano has come to an arrangement with the Saints to pay him less, meaning the Saints don't go over the cap.

Uneducated guess but there is something dodgy going on.

 

[Z_K]

Originally posted by Ausgard
some "man-manager" he is

Grant often manages his own "man", and he does it well. Maybe that is where he gets his rep.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Shinboners
As a point of difference though, Beetham didn't seem to want to play AFL footy and the Saints seemed to do everything they could to convince him to stay. I would think that Capuano would have wanted to keep on playing AFL - if he didn't, then why didn't he simply retire?

Beetham had perceived trade value I suppose, Cappas has none.

Originally posted by Shinboners

Either way, I would have thought that Capuano's experience would have been useful. Also keep in mind that he's gone through 2 knee reconstructions, endured chronic injuries, and still won a couple of Premiership medals - I would have thought that he would have been useful to keep around the club to help encourage any kids you had who have had long term or chronic injuries (like Kostchitske).

or discourage hands up who knew Capuano was only 27

Originally posted by Shinboners

You might make the fabric of the club stronger in one area (we're not carrying you), but weaker in another (we're not going to be loyal to you). The other message it might send is that the club won't support players through tough times. If they players start to perceive that, then that will weaken the bonds for them to stay at St.Kilda.

Hopefully the reasoning will come out in the wash, might be worth listening to 3AW tonight.

 

[Cyclops]

Inexplicable behaviour. Someone has done something really wrong here, either the coach or the player. No hint that it's Capuano.

My guess is Grant Thomas is completely out of his depth, is failing horribly and is trying to frighten his players into winning because he can't coach them to victory.

In the last 6 months he's dropped a grand final ruckman and a dual premiership ruckman from the list. Amazing man management.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Cyclops

In the last 6 months he's dropped a grand final ruckman and a dual premiership ruckman from the list. Amazing man management.

You can argue the Capuano sacking but you're not serious about Everitt?

Or did you mean Loewe

 

[Port01]

I'm assuming after the revelation Collingwood were yougner on saturday night that Thomas is going to sack a few older players so that he has his 'youth' excuse to continue having his mounting losses accepted by the club and supporters.

 

[Fred]

What a load of codswallop in this thread. It's all guesswork, made into fact by people that wouldn't have a clue about the truth.
Why not just wait and see then you can comment on fact.

 

[Nic]

Anyone seen off by Tristen Walker and Josh Fraser deserves to be.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Fred
What a load of codswallop in this thread. It's all guesswork, made into fact by people that wouldn't have a clue about the truth.
Why not just wait and see then you can comment on fact.

It seems to me that most of the threads here have their fair share of guesswork and speculation. But this is an interesting story, so people will comment about it.

Of course, you're not getting precious about it because it involves St.Kilda, does it? Perish the thought.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Fred
What a load of codswallop in this thread. It's all guesswork, made into fact by people that wouldn't have a clue about the truth.
Why not just wait and see then you can comment on fact.

Pah this is what the site is here for, if I wanted facts I'd go to the AFL si.... I'd go somewhere