Not attributing guilt, but was in our Ballarat office recently and met an alleged victim of his.
Eye-opening!
Eye-opening!
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If you mean me, I haven't said anything about my own beliefs.
People who break the law should be treated that way and should cop it exactly the same regardless of wealth, religion, reputation or whatever...it's in the rules.
Was that aimed at me? If so, not at all. I'm perfectly happy coexisting with any religion or religious person that lets me lead my life in peace, and abides by what I think should be a universal human value of not harming others.
Interestingly enough I had to deal with a similar situation in my life recently. Without going into details I had a professional relationship with someone and I was increasingly disturbed by what appeared to be going on in their life. I was actually kept up at night worrying if i should cut ties as it would hurt them financially, although in a minor way. I came to the conclusion that without judging them I would break ties with them. Dealing with their issues was not a part of my professional responsibilities. In this instance I think the club should do the same.
As I said in the OP I admit to being mercenary about this. I think this is what's best for the club, and hope it can be done in a way that avoids casting judgement. Having said that, I'd be very surprised if the club did anything other than take the easy path and wait till the end of the trial.
As per Mattt's closed thread, Gale has previously stated:
"In light of Cardinal Pell's fundamental rights to the presumption of innocence and to a fair trial, he will remain a vice-patron of the club pending the outcome of any trial," Gale told Fox Footy."
Pell has now been committed to stand trial for historical sex assault charges.
For the club to act now would be weak and insipid , they have a recent track record of following due process which reflects strength in leadership rather than grandstand and jump at shadows . This situation should be no different, I have complete confidence in the club acting responsibleyAll politics aside, you can't deny that it's not a great look for the club.
That's extremely simplistic.Given the recent history of the Catholic Church I wish we had nothing to do with any of them, let alone Pell specifically.
Why would we line ourselves up with any organization that spent years covering up child abuse? Proven! Not allegedly.
Sack them all off. We should condemn the Catholic Church and everything they’ve chosen to stand for.
A pity Pell did not show the same unconditional love for Risdales victims isnt it?That kinda gets to the seat of the problem.
Pell's committed to showing unconditional love and support to someone whos asked to be forgiven.
That bloke with bad sunnies is a priest and he knows his God has a certain way of dealing with people who violate children.
He burns them.
Pell is still showing him unconditional love and not judging him cause he's a priest and that his go, he's infront of the courts now because of whether or not that conflict of interest led him to break the law.
I think some are forgetting that the alignment with Cardinal Pell evolved as he is a former Richmond player. I wouldn’t say it evolved as a Catholic Church alignment.
Haere Ra.
Your 'weak and insipid' is someone else's 'showing strength of character'. Acting now does not necessarily entail grandstanding or jumping at shadows, but could be done in a calm and professional manner. Like his employer, the Catholic Church, who (according to this thread) has suspended him for the duration. Why can't we do the same?For the club to act now would be weak and insipid , they have a recent track record of following due process which reflects strength in leadership rather than grandstand and jump at shadows . This situation should be no different, I have complete confidence in the club acting responsibley
I still think sacking your rub n tag masseuse because she barracks for norf is an overreaction dude
It's not like she was a bluebagger
That's extremely simplistic.
I'm not Catholic nor am I married to a Catholic. But I know of many who are including priests that are fantastic people who devote their lives helping and feeding the poor and underprivileged. They are respected individuals who sacrifice their lives to help others.
Yes there were too many priests in days gone by that destroyed lives of young children. But even that number is dwarfed by those who have been good.
Your suggestion of condemning them all is ridiculous to say the least.
There is precious wrong with any religion. The problem is with people who manipulate it to their own ends.Not for mine. I’m not saying they are all guilty but staying with the Catholic Church after they systematically covered up and turned a blind eye to child abuse is condoning their actions in my eyes.
There are plenty of variations to Christianity that aren’t specifically Catholic. They could easily find a church that lines up with their moral compass (though if you’ve read much about religion you wouldn’t have too much of a moral compass to be lined up with almost any church).
Rhett Bartlett looked into this last year - he couldn't find any evidence he played for Richmond, only that he MAY have signed at some point.KT is that true though? Hard to find any records that he played for the club apart from his own statements
There is precious wrong with any religion. The problem is with people who manipulate it to their own ends.
Most religions set out laws that allow all to live in harmony. If we actually followed the rules themselves, we'd all live in a better world.
Very selective quoting there telsor. Perhaps you'd like to delve into the rationale behind my stance and join the ongoing discussion? For instance, seeing as his employer has suspended his activities for the duration of the trial, why shouldn't we? After all, our connection is very tenuous, and from a professional standpoint is no longer serving our interests (if it ever did).To edit the OP down to the relevant points...
So, we don't have the OUTCOME of the trial yet....
end of discussion.
Interesting choice of words in that tweetRhett Bartlett looked into this last year - he couldn't find any evidence he played for Richmond, only that he MAY have signed at some point.
Very selective quoting there telsor. Perhaps you'd like to delve into the rationale behind my stance and join the ongoing discussion? For instance, seeing as his employer has suspended his activities for the duration of the trial, why shouldn't we? After all, our connection is very tenuous, and from a professional standpoint is no longer serving our interests (if it ever did).