Carey on ABC Right now with Andrew Denton

[enosis7]

My family and I have known for over two years of Carey's Cocaine abuse, and he's been very dishonest about it in the interview - Every game that he commentated outside of his home state, he went through roughly $2K on Coke.

He admitted to using drugs since his retirement, which is almost 4 years ago.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

The police capsicum sprayed him for the lulz apparently.

Jesus Christ, take that crap back to 4chan.

 

[Beckers]

Came across as a bit of liar. Everything he denied had an explaination and everything else he was too drunk to remember!

Still, very brave of him to go on!

 

[Omegaman]

Are you suggesting this was a pre arranged thing? Are you seriously suggesting that of all the places they could have a chat in private they would decide to do it in a friends toilet with a party full of people outside?

My point was that whether it was a pre-arranged idea, spur of the moment insanity or an "unfortunate" coincidence or accident, it was simply the catalyst that brought it into the open. Surely the main story is the affair itself? I'm pretty sure if I was in Anthony Stevens or Sally Carey's position, thats what would concern me more.

 

[Hawks1523]

God I wish people would get off the mans back. HE comes on and answeres questions he is asked, even though he tip-toed around a few of them. Nothing he can do will change peoples opinions of him and that's quite sad really. He's doing what he's doing to try and overcome the troubles in his life at the moment.

If you read his dads article in the paper yesterday, you'll find out the bloke is an old prick. How heartbreaking to hear that he got his dad grand final tickets, for all the grand finals and the ____ didn't show up for any of them. Your son reaches the pinacle in the sport he loves, climbs the mountain players may never achieve (Robert Harvey has played 21 years for no premiership ) and he couldn't drag himself away from the drink to see his son win an AFL premiership? The man is a joke.

Hopefully people can leave Carey alone, and let him do what he needs to do for himself, and for his family and friends to overcome his drug and alcohol abuse issues.

 

[Bombermania]

Behaviour!

As someone who has been critical of Wayne Carey and to the disgust of some here I have downgraded Carey as a footballer due to his off field behaviour but what I watched last night was Interesting for several reasons.

Wayne Carey the footballer was as tough as they come, a matchwinner who threaten to cut oppositions to pieces yet as a person was flawed.

From that Interview I suspect Wayne Carey's problem is he has gone from a country town under the thump of his father then he has moved into the world of football where he has gone from being oppressed to being a hero.

Carey himself said that the football world was good for him and as with many other former players post footy is difficult, if you have the baggage of always being controlled then all of a sudden you are in control then as history shows power has gone to his head.

Wayne Carey clearly is a leader on the sport and the social scene but is socially immature, some will say No, but take a look at Glenn Archer, he is a very well rounded person, every bit as tough on the field as Carey.

While one cannot use childhood as an excuse his behaviour is a learnt behaviour, regardless of what we think of our families we are a mirror image of those who we are closes too, normally that is our families.

In light of Wayne Carey having learnt a particular behaviour he will only respond to those who communicate in a manner which he will understand and from those he respects therefore I believe the media should refrain from acting as experts.

Can Wayne Carey recover, of course he can, his problem is a learnt behaviour and what is learnt can be changed, the first step is Wayne Carey needs to own his own behaviour from there he needs to work out what does he want with his life, what does he value from here as long as those around him offer him the right sort of advise which may mean the odd kick up the arse everything should work out.

The biggest mistake the community makes is taking a sledgehammer to a walnut, while Carey's behaviour should be punished we need to deal with the condition not the symptoms.

At some point Wayne Carey needs to become a man, from the Interview I got the impression that Carey seemed had not yet reached the point of owning his behaviour for example having screaming matches with his girlfriend, what he needs to do is learn to remove himself from the situation rather than have a screaming match.

To own a behaviour is to claim responsiblity for your actions without qualifaction or expernation also to at least give an insight into what or how you will change in future, Carey did not do that, but that is a private matter and is non of our business

I'm not saying the relationship should end but he needs to recognise that build up and stop it from reaching a screaming match.

For what it is worth, I have never been that pissed that I can't remember what I did.

 

[chicachow]

God I wish people would get off the mans back. HE comes on and answeres questions he is asked, even though he tip-toed around a few of them. Nothing he can do will change peoples opinions of him and that's quite sad really. He's doing what he's doing to try and overcome the troubles in his life at the moment.

If you read his dads article in the paper yesterday, you'll find out the bloke is an old prick. How heartbreaking to hear that he got his dad grand final tickets, for all the grand finals and the ____ didn't show up for any of them. Your son reaches the pinacle in the sport he loves, climbs the mountain players may never achieve (Robert Harvey has played 21 years for no premiership ) and he couldn't drag himself away from the drink to see his son win an AFL premiership? The man is a joke.

Hopefully people can leave Carey alone, and let him do what he needs to do for himself, and for his family and friends to overcome his drug and alcohol abuse issues.

Agreed. His parents have a lot to answer for. It must have been awful having all that adulation from everyone but the man he may have wished to please the most. Very sad.

 

[Billy Bones]

My point was that whether it was a pre-arranged idea, spur of the moment insanity or an "unfortunate" coincidence or accident, it was simply the catalyst that brought it into the open. Surely the main story is the affair itself?

Listen mate, my initial reply to you on this subject was in regards to this blatantly incorrect observation:

Sure it's worth mentioning. Kelli is as much to blame as Wayne is for that incident. But as with every other accusation he blamed it on someone else or on being so drunk that he could not remember it and therefore questioning whether it really happened.

The only time Kelli Stevens was bought up in the interview was in relation to the toilet issue, and you went and used that to make ridiculous and incorrect broad sweeping generalisations.

Others have also pointed out your misconceptions.

I'm pretty sure if I was in Anthony Stevens or Sally Carey's position, thats what would concern me more.

I'm pretty sure that if I was Anthony Stevens or Sally Carey I'd be wishing that foolish woman had never dared ventured into someones lavatory at a social engagement and dragged all this crap into the open in the first place.

Sometimes, it's braver and smarter to say nothing and live with your guilt.

 

[Omegaman]

Listen mate, my initial reply to you on this subject was in regards to this blatantly incorrect observation:

Read back and you'll see that it's chicachow's misconception, not mine. My only point is about debating which had greater significance to the parties directly involved: who blew the cover vs that fact on affair was going on.

[edit] and for the record I mean ONLY the parties involved. You can include me in the list of people who would rather they have sorted it out between the four of themselves and not the entire football media, but unfortunately that was inevitable given that Stevens and Carey were teammates and would surely have found playing alongside each other damn near impossible however it broke.

 

[Billy Bones]

Read back and you'll see that it's chicachow's misconception, not mine.

My mistake.

My only point is about debating which had greater significance to the parties directly involved: who blew the cover vs that fact on affair was going on.

The affair, of course. However, this has nothing to do with what I was replying to chicachow about.

 

[Omegaman]

My mistake.



The affair, of course. However, this has nothing to do with what I was replying to chicachow about.

Fair enough, I'll leave you to it

 

[Juddism]

I'm very disappointed with the Carey interview.
I know for a fact that he was unfaithful during his final years to his wife, and if it comes down to a defamation case, I can name the woman (and it's not Kate).

which is exactly what he said...or did you miss that part of the interview?

 

[subaru]

I'm pretty sure that if I was Anthony Stevens or Sally Carey I'd be wishing that foolish woman had never dared ventured into someones lavatory at a social engagement and dragged all this crap into the open in the first place.

Sometimes, it's braver and smarter to say nothing and live with your guilt.[/quote]


Truly - what has he done that hundreds of other blokes haven't? Judging by some of the comments , he is an axe murderer. He hs done nothing that thousands of other blokes have done - right or wrong - that's how it is - EXCEPT that he is famous.

He had it all and now he's lost it all. Reasons for his behaviour and excuses change nothing - however , he has accepted that what he's done is wrong and last night was a way for him to move forward. He needs good people around him - like Archer ( who I wish would hit Hutchy) and to lose the girlfriend.

Imagine being in his situation and the embrrassment he faces. He's fronted, answered questions (bad luck if the answers are not up to some people's satisfaction) exposed his family to the same embarrassment regarding his loser father - now leave him alone.

 

[Caraboo]

Imagine being in his situation and the embrrassment he faces. He's fronted, answered questions (bad luck if the answers are not up to some people's satisfaction) exposed his family to the same embarrassment regarding his loser father - now leave him alone.

Actually I tend to agree with this. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the bloke at all. Infact I struggled to swallow the continued 'shy guy' stuff bandied about last night. Made me sick. To me, he always has been an arrogant prick.

That said, I felt for him in some ways last night.

I'm impressed with his forthrightness in some areas of the interview. I struggled with his demeanour at first, until they panned out and I could see his hands. His face and voice was still 'wayne carey' of old, but I will happily put that down now to years of media work and him going on auto pilot for being on camera. That and it was also probably a good tool to help him keep his composure.

No one, no matter who they are or how much of a w***er they are, should end up that low in their life where (real or perceived) they are too ashamed to go outside to buy food. That's just wrong. It's also a human side of Wayne that we have very rarely seen.

 

[Billy Bones]

Truly - what has he done that hundreds of other blokes haven't? Judging by some of the comments , he is an axe murderer. He hs done nothing that thousands of other blokes have done - right or wrong - that's how it is - EXCEPT that he is famous.

He had it all and now he's lost it all. Reasons for his behaviour and excuses change nothing - however , he has accepted that what he's done is wrong and last night was a way for him to move forward. He needs good people around him - like Archer ( who I wish would hit Hutchy) and to lose the girlfriend.

Imagine being in his situation and the embrrassment he faces. He's fronted, answered questions (bad luck if the answers are not up to some people's satisfaction) exposed his family to the same embarrassment regarding his loser father - now leave him alone.

It's happened umpteen times at umpteen clubs in umpteen places.

I believe most of the bile spewed at Carey, and Gary Ablett Snr. for that matter, is redirected angst from the helplessness aforementioned complainants experienced when he was a footballer tearing apart their respective clubs. Nothing more.

 

[jacko57]

Just caught the tail end of an interview on ABC Melb where Jon Faine interviewed Phil Cleary about the Denton-Carey interview. As usual, Cleary was mouthing off at 100mph..........basically, Denton was at fault for not consulting Cleary because he knows all about Wayne Carey, football, domestic violence, global warming and the cure for cancer.

 

[mighty_fighting]

What ever has happened in the past i sincerely hope for his daughters sake that he has finally woken up to himself (although I am far from convinced of this I just hope I am wrong).

There was general side stepping through the interview and sounding like he "said all the right things".

Above all else in the interview - I really felt for his sister - I feel as though she truly believes in her brother and I hope and pray he doesn't let himself and her down.

He has said his piece and hope he gets the help that's needed -

 

[The Vegemite kid]

I watched most of the interview. I have not thought much of Carey ever since the boob groping incident way back when...but I have to admit, the interview had me feeling sorry for the guy.

I'm sure he was not completely candid, but I think this is in part, part of being a drug/alcohol abuser. He seems like a very unhappy man.

And let's face it his father sounds like an absolute c**t. Can't have helped that's for sure.

Bottom line right there. I felt some sympathy for Carey after the interview and it showed the human side of the man and some explanation as to why he is.

I think it was good for him. He obviously had a very tough childhood and his sisters and brothers reactions were quite sad.

I think if he starts to make genuine changes to his life he can once again become the King as he is not beyond redemption. But he must recognise he needs to change.

So many of you are so quick to judge a man who has bared himself to us. He didn't have to do that. But he did. AND he didn't pass the buck. He accepted full responsibility for his actions. He didn't blame his father or his crappy childhood, he didn't even blame alcohol/drugs. But he did say that in all the incidents highlighted by Denton, they were present

Agree jenny, I think he should be afforded some consideration and respect, a lot of people are happy to put the boots in - whilst a man's on the ground - walk a mile in their shoes.

I know a few people that have grown up in a violent household, the scars and problems that can lead to later in life are clearly evident within them

 

[captain ebert]

There is so much more to this than the surface "cheap shots" purvey.

Wayne Carey, was a legend footballer. Captain of his beloved shinboners, arguably the best modern day footballer, dual premiership winner, the world was his oyster. And then, as happens in thousands of everyday peoples' lives, he made one absolutely crap decision that changed his chosen path forever. The consequences of that one decision led to him being sacked from his beloved North Melbourne. Disgraced, embarrassed, Carey fled the country.

Allowing time for things to calm down, Carey made one final effort to redeem himself doing the only thing he knew how. He went "home" to Adelaide, and tried to recreate the magic he had once known, with the Adelaide Football Club. Alas, his body had other ideas. Now the once great man was forced to face life after football - something that he had probably never even started to contemplate before that fateful day in Glen Archers house. His fall from grace was so dramatic and so sudden. His one shining light was the fact that he wasn't hard on the eye, and had a pretty reasonable knowledge of the game. A job in the footballing media was a given, but I don't think he ever reconciled what it was that he lost and this was really evident in tonights interview.

How many stories have we heard about players suffering from depression once their playing careers ended? Can you imagine what he must have gone through as one of the most celebrated players of our time, to be shamed and humiliated, sacked and banished from a club he adored.... what must his mental state have been like? To put this in perspective, if Carey had had an affair with any woman outside of the footy club, the blokes - his team mates - probably would have slapped him on the back and grunted their approval and told him what a dick he was for getting caught.

There is a saying that goes: Before you throws stones of judgment, walk a mile in my shoes.

As for the interview tonight, that took a lot of guts. The man is so ashamed, so embarrassed. He couldn't even say out loud that he was seeing a counsellor (s) - all he could bring himself to say was that he was "talking about it". And is it so far from the realms of possibility that in their inebriated state that the throwing of wine in the girlfriend's face resulting in a cut lip because the glass made contact, wasn't the truth?

So many of you are so quick to judge a man who has bared himself to us. He didn't have to do that. But he did. AND he didn't pass the buck. He accepted full responsibility for his actions. He didn't blame his father or his crappy childhood, he didn't even blame alcohol/drugs. But he did say that in all the incidents highlighted by Denton, they were present.

Australia is famous for it's tall poppy syndrome. Interestingly it is still alive and well.

nice histrionics .......what a load

"carey was a champion footballer", beloved this, beloved that......... - listen, carey's made many crap decisions, not just one, & who's throwing stones? many really do know that he's had this coming for YEARS.

 

[Exeter]

The way some people are behaving on this thread you'd think that Carey had rogered their wife and smashed a glass in their face.

Superb interview. Denton is without peer as an interviewer.

I think Carey was as honest as his psychological space allows him to be at this stage. There’s still a whole bunch of things he’s denial about though.

I actually felt very sorry for the bloke and admire him for having the balls to face a very searching public examination.

You'll never get Cousins doing that.

 

[Classyecho]

During the first half of the interview I felt Wayne was on his way to turning things around. However, then came the subtle finger-pointing, blaming alcohol - even though he continually said he wouldn't - and blaming everybody else for his stuff-ups - even though he kept saying "I take responsibility".

Just my opinion, but I think Wayne is at a point where he is genuinely desperate to pull himself together somewhat. However, I don't think he's capable of it if he's going to keep on denying and blaming drugs, alcohol and everybody else.

I hope he gets the help he needs and I hope the end result is positive, for Wayne's sake, the sake of his daughter, his family and his mates. I think Carey would eventually be able to work in football, whether it be in a coaching role or in the media, providing of course he got his life back in order.

I think there is a long way to go though, because he needs to stop making excuses.

 

[switch the play]

I had the preconceived idea that i would come out of the interview hating him ..but i didn't.regardless of the issues it was a brave thing to sit on that chair and open up about his whole family life.Yes; braver than what he seems to be doing in some other areas.How many of us posting comments would honestly be prepaired to do the same interview even as solid citizens-it would be very confronting.

 

[Doctor Jolly]

Carey seem to be of the opinion that "if he just quit drinking he would be a model citizen". Although he never mentioned that it was his aim to quit drinking. A bit like the smoker who says they can quit anytime, but cant pick a date.

He probably needs to realise that quitting drinking is only the first of many steps to get back to the real world.

 

[finders]

I dont give a stuff about his personal life but he is one of the top two players along with Mathews to be picked in my best side.

 

[randyzany]

I dont give a stuff about his personal life but he is one of the top two players along with Mathews to be picked in my best side.

If he was in some other profession nobody would either but because he's an ex-footballer everybody feels the need to give their 2 bobs worth.