Certainly not if GC have a couple next year….
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Certainly not if GC have a couple next year….
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Don’t worry about the Camporeale brothers - Cody Walker might be in jeopardy
A pick 1 for pick 18….great business
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Could pretty easily end up paying overs, rather than something fair, which I don't think is something we want.
Especially for F/S, which clubs access so rarely.
Apparently there were 6 GC academy players in the AAU16 team this year. Being able to NAB 2 1st round picks through an Academy/FS is stretching things. 4 Is just taking the piss out of the situation. Having said that GC did just trade out a top 5 pick to help their draft hand as well as Chol but they should have had to use picks from next year to get all 4. One other partial solution is the discount doesn't apply to traded picks.
Yeah if you need to trade into the top 10 clubs will absolutely wrought you. If you need 2 × top 10 it'll be close to impossible. You could easily go to far the other way with these changes. No issue with clubs paying closer to fair value but should still be slight unders (unlike massive unders atm) not massive overs.
That said, Laura Kane actually comes across pretty intelligent. Definitely more so then all these ex players pushing their ideas in the media. When interviewed a few months back she seemed to have a pretty balanced perspective on it all and was across all the things that need to be weighed up. I have faith in her (for now)
I'm certainly sure she won't be bullied into winding down the academies for equalisation purposes by clubs like Collingwood who just won a premiership off the back of 3 AA fathersons and 17 home games at the mcg.
Gives me more confidence they won't make changes for 2024. 2025 will be the one the afl is worried about. If the suns get another 4 first rounders, things will blow up. If they can avoid that the AFL will be happy letting a few go to the keeper in 2024. Though it's worth noting if GC finish top 8 they only get access to 2 of them.
Next year in the first round you probably only have 2 academy kids (Lombard GC and Marshall BL) plus 3 father sons (Ashcroft BL, Ben Camporeale CAR, Welsh ADL)
There is also a restriction on the number of 1st rounders they can match bids on based on their ladder position.
The better they perform, the less access they get.
Have to agree with Cochrane, home grown talent was the wish and now that they’ve developed said youngsters for the required outcome, it’s all too much for the majority of the other clubs to handle.
And a lot of it is purely the optics, 4 first rounders (even though one of them was bid at pick 26).
It looks worse because the 1st round blew out to a bloated 29 picks, due not only to the Suns' 4 picks, but 2 father/sons, and worse, 4 compo & assistance picks.
Yeah, she was balanced.
I think the changes that are most needed, and which are actually pretty minor in terms of the change but would be very effective, are the points scale, and then the way that compensation is awarded for Free Agency.
At a minimum, they need to get rid of the restricted part of FA, so as to eliminate the ludicrous examples of the ransom paid for Ben McKay and Gresham.
The real issue is not so much how many selections they get but paying a fair price. This applies just as much to FS with Daicos and Ashcroft in the past 2 years. Get the value of picks right and you don't need to limit access on ladder position as your draft capital does that.
For sure. If you fix the points scale most the issues with bid matching get resolved on their own without having to introduce a heap of new rules that do the same thing in a more complicated way.
Agee on RFA too. Without RFA Essendon probably pay McKay a salary to get roos end of round 1 compo and gresham round 2 which would be about right.
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Yeah, it's happened to us before.Here we go then....
AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks
The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.www.theage.com.au
Why do we seem to always end up at the worst timing for these sort of changes?
So Collingwood get a few generational father sons, as do the Bulldogs and most clubs benefit from the Academy for years.
Then when we have a few good ones coming through, time to change the rules by the AFL
The only saving grace is the article mentions no changes for next year at least (though it is the AFL so who knows...) but doesn't bode well for the highly rated Cody Walker and others...
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Simple fix, **** off all interstate clubs.
Given 2024 draft picks have already been traded, you'd hope the changes don't come in until 2025...
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Doesn't it actually say that it us unlikely to be bought in for 2024 as picks have already been traded?
Best we hold off playing the martyr card for a bit yet.
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I've already mentioned the Campo twins will sneak in the door before any changes.
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So I'd imagine that we all think that change is needed and it shouldn't affect us too badly.
It wasn't that long ago that father sons were gifted with a 3rd round pick which clearly needed change. Daicis and Ashcroft (and hopefully the campo boys) show that it is a huge advantage to teams near the top of the ladder. Wherein lies the problem with some tweaks to fix it?
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We should have a wealth of indigenous and first-generation kids to pick from... Northern and the Club are mucking it up.
While I agree that 5 is too high in your first example, 10 is too low.
We're talking about 2 first round picks still, and unless the AFL wants to rate each draft pool prior to selection, you need to accept that averaging things out will have some feast and famine moments.
Bingo, all these suggestions about the number of picks used and the range of them heavily leans into screwing all clubs out of best value in any given scenario.
Watch clubs work each other over to open up drafting opportunities in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Stick the existing mechanisms, but adjust the values. Maybe clamp down further on Northern academy limits even when out of the finals.
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No rule is going to be fair/even for every case. There will always be edge cases. Let's just get the majority right.
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I’m shocked Thy has gone down the conspiracy route…he’ll be on the umpires backs before too long
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Just remove the discount, and allow NGA candidates to be bound from second round onwards
It’s not hard, the system just needs tightening it’s not fundamentally wrong
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It’s not hard, the system just needs tightening it’s not fundamentally wrong
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Love the competitive balance review. You can't look at the academy system in isolation. It's great to know the powers at afl house understand that. Every club has its own advantages and disadvantages that must all be weighed up. Trying to make every little thing equal is a great way to make the competition completely unequal.
Also suggests the academy system won't be stripped back much although I expect clubs to pay closer to fair value. The AFL already knows what clubs think and this feedback gathering process is just formalising it. Going broader and looking at completive balance rather then just the bidding system will make it much easier for them to justify leaving the academy system in tact.
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Also suggests the academy system won't be stripped back much although I expect clubs to pay closer to fair value. The AFL already knows what clubs think and this feedback gathering process is just formalising it. Going broader and looking at completive balance rather then just the bidding system will make it much easier for them to justify leaving the academy system in tact.
AFL embarking on 'competitive balance review' as club angst rises across the league
The AFL has told its clubs that it is embarking on what it’s calling A Competitive Balance Review.
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And *, coz * 'em.Plus Geelong, it's practically interstate
Name to watch for our 2025 NGA, Jack Ison
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Thanks for this. Can you tell us a little more about Jack?
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