Media Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc) - Part IV

Our club in the Media

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ctwenty1 said:
mate, you take the gospel as gospel, you get frustrated, let alone media commentary as you say.
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not when it's a reading from the books of jacob, oliver, samual or blake............
 
Coops93 said:
Not exactly, though. The NFL broadcasters essentially work the week of the games in the city of the game and have meetings with coaches, players etc several times. They have researchers and the commentators themselves meet with them. Some of them even have their own travelling analytics teams as opposed to using generic ones. So they have great in depth knowledge of those playing their specific games that week, and some of that knowledge of course carries over, but they don't necessarily have to have the knowledge of some 1700 players in the league, but rather a lot of research in the specific game they're covering that week.


Having said that though your point is absolutely right, it really isn't that much to expect commentators only covering 9 games a week to have similar levels of insight. But when you have the major broadcaster not even bother to send the commentary teams interstate I'm not sure you can expect that same level of insight.

It's cheap, money saving bare minumum kind of stuff but that's all you get when you have just 1 pay TV & 1 FTA. The NFL, other US sports and Soccer have many different broadcasters competing with eachother, the AFL have 2 that have a monopoly on the industry. Why bother spending anything to improve it when there's no competition.

The recent rug pulling negotiation tactics by the AFL gifting 7 the rights shows it's all about the boys club.
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I think a lot of the differences between what the AFL does compared to the major sporting competitions of the world come down to economies of scale. We don't have the insane amount of revenue generated by the game here that those sports have, we don't have the population to support the sport at higher levels either.

Realistically, compared to those leagues, the AFL is indeed a minor league. The AFL is the big fish in a small pond, all things considered, it doesn't do too badly.

There are plenty of things about the AFL that are open to criticism but what's the point? Just enjoy the game, regardless of anything, it's still a great game.
 
gab213 said:
I think a lot of the differences between what the AFL does compared to the major sporting competitions of the world come down to economies of scale. We don't have the insane amount of revenue generated by the game here that those sports have, we don't have the population to support the sport at higher levels either.

Realistically, compared to those leagues, the AFL is indeed a minor league. The AFL is the big fish in a small pond, all things considered, it doesn't do too badly.

There are plenty of things about the AFL that are open to criticism but what's the point? Just enjoy the game, regardless of anything, it's still a great game.
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The AFL is a billion $ industry, it's one of the highest average attended sports in the world. We are not short of $ so that's not an excuse. The broadcasters buy the rights for billions of $ for a reason, they aren't losing money on the investment.

We only have 9 games to cover a week as opposed to the NFL which has 16, or the Premier League/other soccer leagues which have many through the week across different leagues. Of those 9 AFL games, how many are in Melbourne each week? The broadcast teams don't even need to travel half the time just take a drive down the street.

There isn't a good excuse as to why our coverage shouldn't be as good as those internationally.
 

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thylacine60 said:
didn't mention the abuse from fans as a factor in the "turnaround"..........probably got edited out...........
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I think the fan abuse/spitting on/swearing at players/calling up talkback radio calling for everyone from Luke Sayers to the guy who stands at the front of Ikon Park directing traffic to be hung drawn & quartered will be in the second book of Cezz. You know given the amount of impact it had on our players turning the season around. Might even get it's own DVD box set
 
JoeyPBLUES said:
Here's one from the book of Cezz

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Cez said they spread the love in the midfield... Following my curiosity of that statement into the stats, after the Essendon game Walsh, Cripps, Hewett, and Cerra's % ToG dropped 5-10%, the exact week when we launched ourselves into the cosmos.... Looks like we added to the midfield mix to sustain the pressure and intensity.

Whether it was the group trusting each other more with roles, load management, whatever... It's a remarkable statistic imo

Very interesting stuff (at least for me...)!
 
Coops93 said:
The AFL is a billion $ industry, it's one of the highest average attended sports in the world. We are not short of $ so that's not an excuse. The broadcasters buy the rights for billions of $ for a reason, they aren't losing money on the investment.

We only have 9 games to cover a week as opposed to the NFL which has 16, or the Premier League/other soccer leagues which have many through the week across different leagues. Of those 9 AFL games, how many are in Melbourne each week? The broadcast teams don't even need to travel half the time just take a drive down the street.

There isn't a good excuse as to why our coverage shouldn't be as good as those internationally.
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I disagree obviously, I wasn't making excuses btw, I was just pointing out reasons for not being able to compare the NFL and the AFL.

You raised some issues that I would take as bolstering my argument. More games for their leagues make it more viable for them.
It generates more revenue. That is only possible because they have a huge fan base.

How many teams are in Victoria? Too many to genuinely call the AFL a national league, all these things contribute to it being indeed a 'mickey mouse' league. The AFL is still just an extended VFL. Changing the name doesn't suddenly mean it's a national league.

Yes, we are one of the highest attended sports in the world, not sure that has anything to do with anything. I will still argue that we have too many teams in the AFL . The population doesn't justify 18 and soon to be 19 teams.

There is no basis for comparison between the NFL and the AFL outside of the fact that they are both 'football' leagues.
 
NavySteel said:
Cez said they spread the love in the midfield... Following my curiosity of that statement into the stats, after the Essendon game Walsh, Cripps, Hewett, and Cerra's % ToG dropped 5-10%, the exact week when we launched ourselves into the cosmos.... Looks like we added to the midfield mix to sustain the pressure and intensity.

Whether it was the group trusting each other more with roles, load management, whatever... It's a remarkable statistic imo

Very interesting stuff (at least for me...)!
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Agreed - I thought It became evident our mids were finishing stronger through that period as well... now we know why. Also know why Cunners & Fog have become integral in that mix
 
gab213 said:
I disagree obviously, I wasn't making excuses btw, I was just pointing out reasons for not being able to compare the NFL and the AFL.

You raised some issues that I would take as bolstering my argument. More games for their leagues make it more viable for them.
It generates more revenue. That is only possible because they have a huge fan base.

How many teams are in Victoria? Too many to genuinely call the AFL a national league, all these things contribute to it being indeed a 'mickey mouse' league. The AFL is still just an extended VFL. Changing the name doesn't suddenly mean it's a national league.

Yes, we are one of the highest attended sports in the world, not sure that has anything to do with anything. I will still argue that we have too many teams in the AFL . The population doesn't justify 18 and soon to be 19 teams.

There is no basis for comparison between the NFL and the AFL outside of the fact that they are both 'football' leagues.
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Geez, I don't know that we should use the number of teams in Victoria as the basis for suggesting it's a mickey mouse league.

We would struggle if we tried to transplant a few more teams into an interstate market.

American Football has no challenger. All markets in the US watch it. Having said that, the teams are privately owned and owners will pack up the franchise and send it to another location if the dollars add up right. They tend to wait it out for the market to come to them after that.

Meanwhile College football is where the passion really lies for most fans.

The basis for comparison is surely how professionally it is covered. I think we do pretty well, but I do think we throw too many big name footballers into the mix once they need a gig, and a lot of them have a care factor lower than the supporters. It's just a gig. Find something to write about to meet a deadline ... wing it on a talk show ... job done.
 
JoeyPBLUES said:
I think the fan abuse/spitting on/swearing at players/calling up talkback radio calling for everyone from Luke Sayers to the guy who stands at the front of Ikon Park directing traffic to be hung drawn & quartered will be in the second book of Cezz. You know given the amount of impact it had on our players turning the season around. Might even get it's own DVD box set
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I know everyone is making a joke out of this side of things, and I'm not one that thinks abuse has had a hand in the turnaround as such. In fact, I can see players thinking '**** you, I'm not busting a gut for you to be happy when you abuse me.'

However, the club did feel the outside pressure. They did try to respond to it. Cook tried to buy us time by saying that the list wasn't there yet. Internally, the club felt that we were gone for the season, as did most of the supporters. They really didn't know what the issue was.

Perhaps this soul searching player meeting occurred because of the building of pressure? I mean the media weren't missing us either and supporters were devastated. All we know is we were searching for answers and without that mental turnaround, perhaps we would have shut up shop and believed we needed more pieces to succeed.

So no to abuse, but if we took that outside pressure, channelled it and turned it into something positive, that's a remarkable achievement.
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
I know everyone is making a joke out of this side of things, and I'm not one that thinks abuse has had a hand in the turnaround as such. In fact, I can see players thinking '* you, I'm not busting a gut for you to be happy when you abuse me.'

However, the club did feel the outside pressure. They did try to respond to it. Cook tried to buy us time by saying that the list wasn't there yet. Internally, the club felt that we were gone for the season, as did most of the supporters. They really didn't know what the issue was.

Perhaps this soul searching player meeting occurred because of the building of pressure? I mean the media weren't missing us either and supporters were devastated. All we know is we were searching for answers and without that mental turnaround, perhaps we would have shut up shop and believed we needed more pieces to succeed.

So no to abuse, but if we took that outside pressure, channelled it and turned it into something positive, that's a remarkable achievement.
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sure I've read this somewhere......
 
JoeyPBLUES said:
Nathan Buckley and his Carlton hating bias at play again….

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Harsh and a bit one sighted Joey. Bucks, to be fair, has been full of praise for our club during the renaissance of form.

Hard to argue that we're up against a fresher, in form team who are ridiculously hard to beat at home.
 
Ezayyak said:
Think the same thing happened last night on AFL 360 when Robbo called McGovern Curnow in the Acres sequence. Whateley didn't correct him.
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Could see Gerard's brain ticking...do I correct him, or...nope. Let's just move this right along.
 

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