Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[South of the Yarra]

We have people on here who have seen the ultimate success, the Blues getting the better of the Pies in a grand final.

And you have many people on here who have had no success seeing Premiership Glory. We don’t. Unless of course there are any 13 month old babies wildly hitting the key boards in their Black and White bibs.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

And you have many people on here who have had no success seeing Premiership Glory. We don’t. Unless of course there are any 13 month old babies wildly hitting the key boards in their Black and White bibs.

Yes yes that's very nice. We do claim to have had a more successful year in 2024 though, and we look forward to the expertise that Mr Graham Wright will bring to the table in his new CEO role.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Yes yes that's very nice. We do claim to have had a more successful year in 2024 though, and we look forward to the expertise that Mr Graham Wright will bring to the table in his new CEO role.

Is that meant to be a dagger through my heart. All it does is strengthen how sad Carlton has become when those two points are cause for celebration

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Is that meant to be a dagger through my heart. All it does is strengthen how sad Carlton has become when those two points are cause for celebration

Look if three flags in almost seventy years is enough to delude yourself into thinking your club is some sort of superpower, then please do by all means very much knock yourself out there!

 

[South of the Yarra]

Look if three flags in almost seventy years is enough to delude yourself into thinking your club is some sort of superpower, then please do by all means very much knock yourself out there!

Maths is amazing isn't it. One flag in 13 months, two flags in 14 years and 3 flags in 34 years. I know all 3 of those options are better than no flags in 29 years.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Maths is amazing isn't it. One flag in 13 months, two flags in 14 years and 3 flags in 34 years. I know all 3 of those options are better than no flags in 29 years.

A stopped clock is right twice a day i suppose.

 

[South of the Yarra]

A stopped clock is right twice a day i suppose.

Not if it is 24-hour time. It is only right once then.

 

[Fadge]

I agree with this 100% I’m also surprised that Fadge likes the comment as he argues against me everytime about it.

This reasoning is exactly why Walsh and Ashcroft are better than Daicos. Who was carried to his flag.

Curnow may get his chance next year, I wouldn’t be so quick to bag him.

Tell me more about Daicos being carried to his flag.

Please do...

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Cox has a better finals record individually as a player.
I guess that means that Sam Walsh has a better record than Nick if we are talking finals football. Thoughts ?

There ya go.
Back from chasing alligators in your swamp boat.
Nick was good in finals. Sam Walsh was objectively better maybe. Moot. We are discussing players who don't turn up for finals. Nick does, Curnow doesn't.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

I agree with this 100% I’m also surprised that Fadge likes the comment as he argues against me everytime about it.

It just feels wrong having you agreeing with me dirty mop. I almost feel violated.

 

[Robertio]

There ya go.
Back from chasing alligators in your swamp boat.
Nick was good in finals. Sam Walsh was objectively better maybe. Moot. We are discussing players who don't turn up for finals. Nick does, Curnow doesn't.

If you had a chance to build a team today who would you pick as a forward, Cox or Curnow?

 

[Cyclops]

8 times actually, only Pies supporters well into their 90s come close

Also been around for 10 GF Pie losses

But supposedly the Pies are a powerhouse

Mate you jagged some "Sir Kenneth Luke" flags in the "Stop Collingwood " era, that's nothing to boast about.

You wonder why we had a lean patch for a few decades? The League moved heaven and earth to rob us and unfairly aid you.

Imagine 11+ Clubs changing the rules to hold us back, yet we've still won the most games, made the most Grand Finals and won as many flags as anyone.

I'd say we're more than a powerhouse, we are the league. You just get to play us.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

So the very few promising young players the Pies have seem to be requesting trades, whilst the club prioritises recruiting superstars every year.

Pies fans ok with this?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So the very few promising young players the Pies have seem to be requesting trades, whilst the club prioritises recruiting superstars every year.

Pies fans ok with this?

Yep all good

 

[adammania9]

So the very few promising young players the Pies have seem to be requesting trades, whilst the club prioritises recruiting superstars every year.

Pies fans ok with this?

The promising young players being 27 year old Noble and 24 year old Richards? That are being replaced by 27 year old Houston and 25 year old Perryman?

 

[Fadge]

The promising young players being 27 year old Noble and 24 year old Richards? That are being replaced by 27 year old Houston and 25 year old Perryman?

Frig me they're desperate, aren't they?

 

[Fadge]

Meanwhile, happy days at Carlton....

No takers for Kennedy and Young, so both set to clog your list for another 12 months...

 

[CarmenSandiego]

The promising young players being 27 year old Noble and 24 year old Richards? That are being replaced by 27 year old Houston and 25 year old Perryman?

Richards probably would've got games this year if you didn't trade in Shultz - who did SFA. Finn Macrae reportedly exploring his options now too.

Perryman has proved absolutely nothing, yet gets 6 years @ $800k, if I was a young player I'd be leaving too.

Cuddles McRae has just gone full Clarko/Dimma, the difference is - those two coaches romped in 3 Premierships. Cuddles won a final series by an average of like a goal and then failed to even make the 8.

There's heaps of commentary around how risky this is, I'm not just making it up - almost every media pundit are mentioning it and are raising their eyebrows. Crazy how arrogant Pies fans are about it, you'd think you're coming off 3 flags.

 

[adammania9]

Meanwhile, happy days at Carlton....

No takers for Kennedy and Young, so both set to clog your list for another 12 months...

But but Kennedy would be a walk up starter in most midfields in the league!!

Could every club be wrong (including Carlton) and the Blues supporters be right??

 

[adammania9]

Richards probably would've got games this year if you didn't trade in Shultz - who did SFA. Finn Macrae reportedly exploring his options now too.

Perryman has proved absolutely nothing, yet gets 6 years @ $800k, if I was a young player I'd be leaving too.

Cuddles McRae has just gone full Clarko/Dimma, the difference is - those two coaches romped in 3 Premierships. Cuddles won a final series by an average of like a goal and then failed to even make the 8.

There's heaps of commentary around how risky this is, I'm not just making it up - almost every media pundit are mentioning it and are raising their eyebrows. Crazy how arrogant Pies fans are about it, you'd think you're coming off 3 flags.

Oh boy where do I start?

Richards quite literally did get games. That’s why he’s being poached. Schultz’ forward half pressure made Collingwood’s forward line the most efficient at scoring in the league. Naive opinion and a poor one from you.

Perryman has proved several top 10 B&F results and was in the leadership group. He was also played out of position. I know you blokes are desperate for him to be the next Williams but it’s highly unlikely

Cuddles has won more finals series than any Carlton coach in nearly 30 years. Fact.

There was heaps of commentary around Collingwood in 2020 and 21. Big deal. People like Kane Cornes and Sam Edmund get things wrong. The double standards are comical in admiring Geelong and Sydney for constantly contending year after year despite rarely actually winning the premiership. When Collingwood do it, it’s horrible management.

 

[Arr0w]

Mate you jagged some "Sir Kenneth Luke" flags in the "Stop Collingwood " era, that's nothing to boast about.

You wonder why we had a lean patch for a few decades? The League moved heaven and earth to rob us and unfairly aid you.

Imagine 11+ Clubs changing the rules to hold us back, yet we've still won the most games, made the most Grand Finals and won as many flags as anyone.

I'd say we're more than a powerhouse, we are the league. You just get to play us.

Sorry, which rules did they change to rob you and to aid us?

 

[Fadge]

Oh boy where do I start?

Richards quite literally did get games. That’s why he’s being poached. Schultz’ forward half pressure made Collingwood’s forward line the most efficient at scoring in the league. Naive opinion and a poor one from you.

Perryman has proved several top 10 B&F results and was in the leadership group. He was also played out of position. I know you blokes are desperate for him to be the next Williams but it’s highly unlikely

Cuddles has won more finals series than any Carlton coach in nearly 30 years. Fact.

There was heaps of commentary around Collingwood in 2020 and 21. Big deal. People like Kane Cornes and Sam Edmund get things wrong. The double standards are comical in admiring Geelong and Sydney for constantly contending year after year despite rarely actually winning the premiership. When Collingwood do it, it’s horrible management.

Instead of being aggressive and doing everything we can to continue contending after we've proven good enough to contend in 2022, and win in 2023, we should be more conservative so as we probably don't contend in future years, but probably don't bottom out - because we've seen from the likes of Carlton, Fremantle, St. Kilda, Adelaide, etc. how difficult it is to bridge the gap between being a mid table side, and being a genuine premiership contender...

 

[Scritchyscroony]

If you had a chance to build a team today who would you pick as a forward, Cox or Curnow?

Knowing in advance how they both perform in finals I'd take Cox. Wouldn't you?
If, for example we had Curnow instead of Cox we wouldn't have made the 2018 grand final.
Players who don't show up in finals are worthless. Curnow has failed to show up in finals and he's a player you've built a game plan around..oopsies
In an ideal world I'd have Curnow for the home and away then drop him for Cox come finals.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Oh boy where do I start?

Richards quite literally did get games. That’s why he’s being poached. Schultz’ forward half pressure made Collingwood’s forward line the most efficient at scoring in the league. Naive opinion and a poor one from you.

9 games whilst you apparently had the worst injury crisis in the leagues history? And lol re: Shchultz, dude is 15th in the league for pressure acts out of small fwds, he's not even the best in your team, take your goggles off.

Perryman has proved several top 10 B&F results and was in the leadership group. He was also played out of position. I know you blokes are desperate for him to be the next Williams but it’s highly unlikely

Is top 10 considered good? Considering there's 22 that play each week, and you're paying him $800k a year for 6 years, you'd hope he'd be top 5 or 6 over his career. Instead, he averages 18 touches a game, has never been in the AA squad and overall, is just plain average. But yep, he will be a superstar midfielder, just like all the other former HBF's who consider themselves midfielders.

There was heaps of commentary around Collingwood in 2020 and 21. Big deal. People like Kane Cornes and Sam Edmund get things wrong. The double standards are comical in admiring Geelong and Sydney for constantly contending year after year despite rarely actually winning the premiership. When Collingwood do it, it’s horrible management.

Sydney have the academy, so trading away 1st rounders & kids is pretty irrelevant for them, it's unfair but it's the way it is.

Geelong are far more strategic, they've been in Smith's ear all year & are always in the box seat to land deals like the Bowes + Pick 7 shit - they also always have kids coming back their way - their team was young this year. Collingwood literally just go for the biggest name every year and will throw away a 1st rounder or more to get it done.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Instead of being aggressive and doing everything we can to continue contending after we've proven good enough to contend in 2022, and win in 2023, we should be more conservative so as we probably don't contend in future years, but probably don't bottom out - because we've seen from the likes of Carlton, Fremantle, St. Kilda, Adelaide, etc. how difficult it is to bridge the gap between being a mid table side, and being a genuine premiership contender...

And Collingwood is not Carlton. When we do bottom out we don't spend the next decade collecting spoons. Somehow we always bounce back in 1-4 years max.

Must frustrate the hell out of Carlton fans how we do that.