Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[CarmenSandiego]

Knowing in advance how they both perform in finals I'd take Cox. Wouldn't you?
If, for example we had Curnow instead of Cox we wouldn't have made the 2018 grand final.
Players who don't show up in finals are worthless. Curnow has failed to show up in finals and he's a player you've built a game plan around..oopsies
In an ideal world I'd have Curnow for the home and away then drop him for Cox come finals.

The Curnow-finals-spud is so over the top. He's played in a total of 3 finals, not like he's Leon Davis or Gary Rohan.

EF vs. Sydney he was fine - didn't get a lot of the ball himself but 1 goal, 5 inside 50's and 4 Score Involvements isn't even that bad.
SF vs. Melbourne he was worked over by May & Lever as McKay didn't play - still kicked 2 goals and 4 score involvements.

PF vs. Brisbane he was poor, as was the rest of our team.

If you're seriously choosing Mason Cox over Charlie Curnow heading into a final you are an absolute moron & shouldn't be allowed to discuss football with anyone. ever.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

The Curnow-finals-spud is so over the top. He's played in a total of 3 finals, not like he's Leon Davis or Gary Rohan.

EF vs. Sydney he was fine - didn't get a lot of the ball himself but 1 goal, 5 inside 50's and 4 Score Involvements isn't even that bad.
SF vs. Melbourne he was worked over by May & Lever as McKay didn't play - still kicked 2 goals and 4 score involvements.

PF vs. Brisbane he was poor, as was the rest of our team.

If you're seriously choosing Mason Cox over Charlie Curnow heading into a final you are an absolute moron & shouldn't be allowed to discuss football with anyone. ever.

No show Curnow is an inferior finals player to Cox. Thats an objective fact. It's as simple as that.
Cry all you want but that objective fact ain't gonna change because of your tears.

 

[adammania9]

9 games whilst you apparently had the worst injury crisis in the leagues history? And lol re: Shchultz, dude is 15th in the league for pressure acts out of small fwds, he's not even the best in your team, take your goggles off.



Is top 10 considered good? Considering there's 22 that play each week, and you're paying him $800k a year for 6 years, you'd hope he'd be top 5 or 6 over his career. Instead, he averages 18 touches a game, has never been in the AA squad and overall, is just plain average. But yep, he will be a superstar midfielder, just like all the other former HBF's who consider themselves midfielders.



Sydney have the academy, so trading away 1st rounders & kids is pretty irrelevant for them, it's unfair but it's the way it is.

Geelong are far more strategic, they've been in Smith's ear all year & are always in the box seat to land deals like the Bowes + Pick 7 shit - they also always have kids coming back their way - their team was young this year. Collingwood literally just go for the biggest name every year and will throw away a 1st rounder or more to get it done.

Whoever claimed Collingwood had the worst injury crisis in league history? Please stop putting mayo on so we can have a levelled conversation. If you knew what you were talking about, you’d be aware Richards broke into the team after a strong run of VFL form to commence the year, after being way off it beforehand. He played well, and he himself was part of our injury list, missing 5 weeks he otherwise would have played. As he is a nimble player with little top level experience, he was eased back into the side as so not to risk any further injury. Collingwood aren’t keen on rushing back underdone players like other Melbourne-based finals aspirants.

Yeah top 10 is a pretty good return for any role player. I know the bottom realm of the top 10 doesn’t mean much at Carlton due to how much carrying the top half dozen do, but it’s a good return in a consistent finals team with strong structure like GWS have.

Collingwood’s silly strategy that is nothing like Sydney’s or Geelong’s has seen more premierships than Sydney and as many as Geelong in the last ten years. What exactly are Collingwood doing wrong compared to the other two?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

The Curnow-finals-spud is so over the top. He's played in a total of 3 finals, not like he's Leon Davis or Gary Rohan.

EF vs. Sydney he was fine - didn't get a lot of the ball himself but 1 goal, 5 inside 50's and 4 Score Involvements isn't even that bad.
SF vs. Melbourne he was worked over by May & Lever as McKay didn't play - still kicked 2 goals and 4 score involvements.

PF vs. Brisbane he was poor, as was the rest of our team.

If you're seriously choosing Mason Cox over Charlie Curnow heading into a final you are an absolute moron & shouldn't be allowed to discuss football with anyone. ever.

Curnow only 1 goal v Melb, got towelled

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Whoever claimed Collingwood had the worst injury crisis in league history? Please stop putting mayo on so we can have a levelled conversation. If you knew what you were talking about, you’d be aware Richards broke into the team after a strong run of VFL form to commence the year, after being way off it beforehand. He played well, and he himself was part of our injury list, missing 5 weeks he otherwise would have played. As he is a nimble player with little top level experience, he was eased back into the side as so not to risk any further injury. Collingwood aren’t keen on rushing back underdone players like other Melbourne-based finals aspirants.

Your mates in here run every mental gymnastics analysis to convince everyone (and themselves) that Collingwood had the worst injury run out of everyone. Carlton have 18 on the injury list? Oh that's nothing Collingwood had 7 but 4 of them were in our top 2.

Cool - Richards sounds like a really promising player, it's a shame your club doesn't value these types and would prefer to recruit big-money superstars to take their place.

Yeah top 10 is a pretty good return for any role player. I know the bottom realm of the top 10 doesn’t mean much at Carlton due to how much carrying the top half dozen do, but it’s a good return in a consistent finals team with strong structure like GWS have.

6 years @ $800k for a role player is wild.

Collingwood’s silly strategy that is nothing like Sydney’s or Geelong’s has seen more premierships than Sydney and as many as Geelong in the last ten years. What exactly are Collingwood doing wrong compared to the other two?

You had a similar list strategy to Geelong & Sydney up until the past 2 years - always a good balance of youth and experience, now you're putting absolutely everything on the line for a 1-year window. Seriously, after 2025 it's highly unlikely you'll be in contention with Pendles & Sidey gone (the influence those two has on that club is akin to Selwood & Danger at Geelong), whilst Cox, Elliott, Howe, Crisp, WHE all slow down.

In your win over Brisbane in Rd23 you had 7 players 31 or over, whatever 'kids' are coming through to replace them aren't being developed - they're getting flogged in the VFL each week, and whatever players you could be picking up to replace them with draft picks are being traded away.

Will it all be worth it if you win the whole thing in 2025? Absolutely. If you miss it though, I fail to see a way you'll be able to bounce back into contention like you're expecting to.

 

[Cyclops]

Sorry, which rules did they change to rob you and to aid us?

Country Zones.

It's been covered umpteen times how you rorted that.

Arguably f/s was brought in to rob us of Barrassi but it's a good rule and I don't begrudge Melbourne that.

Collingwood are like Wilt Chamberlain, had to change the rules to give others a chance.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Curnow only 1 goal v Melb, got towelled

yeah my bad looked at the h&a game.

as i said he had a tough night with may and lever working him over with no mckay to help out. also wet and contested, hardly a key forwards night (except for joel smith who was ignored).

the carry on about his poor finals performances is unreal - he's played in 3 of them.

Cox finals:
0.9 goals per game

Curnow finals:
1.3 goals per game

checkmate.

 

[adammania9]

Your mates in here run every mental gymnastics analysis to convince everyone (and themselves) that Collingwood had the worst injury run out of everyone. Carlton have 18 on the injury list? Oh that's nothing Collingwood had 7 but 4 of them were in our top 2.

Cool - Richards sounds like a really promising player, it's a shame your club doesn't value these types and would prefer to recruit big-money superstars to take their place.



6 years @ $800k for a role player is wild.



You had a similar list strategy to Geelong & Sydney up until the past 2 years - always a good balance of youth and experience, now you're putting absolutely everything on the line for a 1-year window. Seriously, after 2025 it's highly unlikely you'll be in contention with Pendles & Sidey gone (the influence those two has on that club is akin to Selwood & Danger at Geelong), whilst Cox, Elliott, Howe, Crisp, WHE all slow down.

In your win over Brisbane in Rd23 you had 7 players 31 or over, whatever 'kids' are coming through to replace them aren't being developed - they're getting flogged in the VFL each week, and whatever players you could be picking up to replace them with draft picks are being traded away.

Will it all be worth it if you win the whole thing in 2025? Absolutely. If you miss it though, I fail to see a way you'll be able to bounce back into contention like you're expecting to.

Collingwood did value Richards enough to offer him three years. Port can offer a better role. It is what it is. He’s not in our best 22 due to our array of gifted small forward options. I don’t know what you mean by the end of that paragraph. If you’re saying your club should value Jordan Boyd over a big star like Houston then you’re having a laugh.

You’ll cop a rude shock if Carlton decide to buy any good free agents in the next few years. $800k is at most $650k under the old cap. Solid acquisition and still in the first half of his career.

Meh. Collingwood’s VFL team has always sucked. Hasn’t held us back from developing the few that crack on to make it. You can draft every single year. You can’t be in contention and pick up players like Houston every year. Contrary to popular belief anyway, Collingwood have drafted early enough over the last few years. A first round pick in each of the last three drafts and 4 top 30 picks in total. Any one of those players can seize the opportunity when it comes.

Trying, failing and falling down the ladder is not scary. Getting within touching distance but missing the touch of some top quality players that were available to you, and THEN falling is much, much scarier.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

yeah my bad looked at the h&a game.

as i said he had a tough night with may and lever working him over with no mckay to help out. also wet and contested, hardly a key forwards night (except for joel smith who was ignored).

the carry on about his poor finals performances is unreal - he's played in 3 of them.

Cox finals:
0.9 goals per game

Curnow finals:
1.3 goals per game

checkmate.

Crikey you're all over the shop son

That Melb game was on the night of a beautiful warm dry day, not a drop of rain in sight

Curnow 1 goal per game not 1.3, plus Cox relieves in the ruck

Checkmate

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Crikey you're all over the shop son

That Melb game was on the night of a beautiful warm dry day, not a drop of rain in sight

Curnow 1 goal per game not 1.3, plus Cox relieves in the ruck

Checkmate

I was there and seem to recall warm climate & a greasy drizzle. Must've been the drugs.

 

[Cyclops]

I was there and seem to recall warm climate & a greasy drizzle. Must've been the drugs.

If you were within 100 metres of Clarry at any time you get a free pass (and a free vaccination). That mf bends reality as he passes by.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Tom DeKoning will be the pies big signing this time next year. Groundwork has already been well and truly laid.
Will be a handy addition.

 

[Arr0w]

Country Zones.

It's been covered umpteen times how you rorted that.

Arguably f/s was brought in to rob us of Barrassi but it's a good rule and I don't begrudge Melbourne that.

Collingwood are like Wilt Chamberlain, had to change the rules to give others a chance.

Blaming zones for your hiatus is poor, it's like us blaming draft picks penalties over 2 decades ago

 

[Sector 7G]

Curnow has kicked a total of 3 goals in finals in his career.

Mason Cox has kicked 3 goals in one quarter of a final. Twice.

And yet Curnow kicked 3 times as many goal in the 2023 final series as Coxy

 

[Robertio]

Tom DeKoning will be the pies big signing this time next year. Groundwork has already been well and truly laid.
Will be a handy addition.

You should get a job in the media, when you have nothing you just make stuff up.

 

[Fadge]

And yet Curnow kicked 3 times as many goal in the 2023 final series as Coxy

Isn't it awesome that Cox plays dual roles?

92 hitouts in the 3 game finals series to Cox;

0 hitouts in Charlie's 3 game final series.

 

[Sector 7G]

Isn't it awesome that Cox plays dual roles?

92 hitouts in the 3 game finals series to Cox;

0 hitouts in Charlie's 3 game final series.

It is a shame he isn't good at either

 

[adammania9]

Tom DeKoning will be the pies big signing this time next year. Groundwork has already been well and truly laid.
Will be a handy addition.

Why would Tom come to play second fiddle to Darcy Cameron?

 

[adammania9]

It is a shame he isn't good at either

Oh dear

Mason Cox #6 in the league for % of hit outs won in 2023
#1 in 2024

 

[Fadge]

It is a shame he isn't good at either

And yet he's been more influential in more finals and has more premiership medals than any Carlton player in the last two decades.

Go figure.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

You should get a job in the media, when you have nothing you just make stuff up.

Shouldn't have said anything but it comes from a VERY reliable source.
At the very least we will blow Carlton's cap if they try to keep him.

Watch this space.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Why would Tom come to play second fiddle to Darcy Cameron?

He will be a handy ruck forward replacement for Cox I reckon.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

he's also an absolute flog.

a big, arrogant, redneck yank who actually thinks he is a top tier player. a genuine league villain.

the collingwood fans who cringeworthily chant "USA! USA! USA!" are unfortunately even worse (looking at you fudge).

 

[adammania9]

he's also an absolute flog.

a big, arrogant, redneck yank who actually thinks he is a top tier player. a genuine league villain.

the collingwood fans who cringeworthily chant "USA! USA! USA!" are unfortunately even worse (looking at you fudge).

Shucks. Some clowns over the fence don’t like him

Winners are grinners. Losers can suit themselves

 

[Robertio]

Isn't it awesome that Cox plays dual roles?

92 hitouts in the 3 game finals series to Cox;

0 hitouts in Charlie's 3 game final series.

Charlie will just have to console himself with all his All Australian Blazers.