Banter Carlton is better in 2024. Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

[No SPIN]

It's a 1-year window.

They have like 9 players 32 or over in their best 22 next year. Pendles & Sidey will be gone end of 2025 - two huge spiritual leaders that are impossible to replace in the space of 12-24 months. Other guys like Elliott, Cox, Howe et al will either also be gone or seriously on their last legs.

No picks to trade with or players with currency to rebuild on the run, only 1 F/S coming in - unsure about NGA players?

They have to improve from 9th to top 4, then hope everything goes right to win the whole thing, then an almighty cliff is coming. Anything less than a flag is a disaster.

You forget that we’ll have massive cap space giving us a War chest to cushion a major drop off.

 

[YeoShuey]

You forget that we’ll have massive cap space giving us a War chest to cushion a major drop off.

Cap space won't matter when the club won't have trade capital to get anything done.

 

[No SPIN]

You want to hope you get a flag in the next two years, you sold the farm again, no draft picks again next year with a F/S expected to go in the top 5, idiotic. Tassie and the cliff coming at the same time.

It was a hobby farm - no harm done.

 

[No SPIN]

I would not bother trying to reason with this mob.

Apparently trying to acquire a young player to serve your club for 10+ years is rebuilding.

You’ve been using that strategy for 20 years with NO success- but this year is different.
I doubted it.

 

[No SPIN]

Collingwood have a ton of 30+ year old players, the oldest list in the comp that's what we're saying.

Geel haven’t been hurt by an aging list.

 

[No SPIN]

Lol 30 is the new 28 with modern sport science. Cripps will be fine - who knows, maybe our Pick #3 is planning for Cripps eventual decline & retirement.

Problem with Pies isn’t the 30yo mark, it’s the fact that next year it’s:

Pendles 37yo
Sidebottom 34yo
Elliott 33yo
Cox 34yo
Howe 35yo

We really expecting these blokes to play like they’re 28 randomly? Spare me.

They keep beating your mob so what does it say about your list?

 

[No SPIN]

Cap space won't matter when the club won't have trade capital to get anything done.

Is someone taking away our future picks in perpetuity- please send me a link

 

[DopeMaster]

Dude you gotta get your head around the fact that every player was a draft pick once upon a time.

Insightful.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

You’ve been using that strategy for 20 years with NO success- but this year is different.
I doubted it.

We haven't, though.

We recruited Williams on big money (poor move)
Traded a 1st for Saad
Traded a 1st for Cerra

Elijah Hollands for future 3rd
Blake Acres for a future 3rd

Collingwood fans have memory issues.

 

[No SPIN]

We haven't, though.

We recruited Williams on big money (poor move)
Traded a 1st for Saad
Traded a 1st for Cerra

Elijah Hollands for future 3rd
Blake Acres for a future 3rd

Collingwood fans have memory issues.

LOL - you’ve failed drafting with Top picks for 20 years. A few exceptions proves nothing, especially given your song and dance about getting Pick 3 to use in the draft.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

LOL - you’ve failed drafting with Top picks for 20 years. A few exceptions proves nothing, especially given your song and dance about getting Pick 3 to use in the draft.

You've got to be the biggest nuffy in australia if you think a team that's won 13 & 14 games & played finals the past 2 years ending up with pick #3 is a bad move.

You need to remember that you finished 9th this year, landing a gun half back flanker isn't going to launch you into automatic Premiers. Relax.

 

[Fadge]

You've got to be the biggest nuffy in australia if you think a team that's won 13 & 14 games & played finals the past 2 years ending up with pick #3 is a bad move.

You need to remember that you finished 9th this year, landing a gun half back flanker isn't going to launch you into automatic Premiers. Relax.

Carlton are carried by a core of 6 players who are at their peak RIGHT NOW.

So, at Carlton's peak, they have won 27 home and away games out of 46 - that's 59% for those playing at home - and lost their most recent final by the 20 minute mark of the first quarter.

If Carlton are to contend for a premiership, they need to improve NOW, and how do they expect first year players to produce as much as those they have, or are looking to, let go?

So a net backwards step for Carlton heading into 2025, when Cripps, Curnow, McKay and Weitering are all in their prime...

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Carlton are carried by a core of 6 players who are at their peak RIGHT NOW.

So, at Carlton's peak, they have won 27 home and away games out of 46 - that's 59% for those playing at home - and lost their most recent final by the 20 minute mark of the first quarter.

If Carlton are to contend for a premiership, they need to improve NOW, and how do they expect first year players to produce as much as those they have, or are looking to, let go?

So a net backwards step for Carlton heading into 2025, when Cripps, Curnow, McKay and Weitering are all in their prime...

Mate, you’ve spent all your free time trying to convince the internet that Carlton ARENT in a premiership window.

Now that’s changed? Are we in a window?

If we sold the farm for Houston you would’ve said ‘LOL they think they’re in a window!!’

 

[DopeMaster]

We haven't, though.

We recruited Williams on big money (poor move)
Traded a 1st for Saad
Traded a 1st for Cerra

Elijah Hollands for future 3rd
Blake Acres for a future 3rd

Collingwood fans have memory issues.

You showing us a lit of Carlton's trading blunders doesn't make an argument that trading for players is poor strategy.
That you have to choose good players that fit your system seems to have escaped the Carlton list management team.

Same way as you have to draft good players... Let's hope the Carlton brain-trust have that on a sticky note on their computers. "Remember to draft good players."

 

[carlton_99]

You showing us a lit of Carlton's trading blunders doesn't make an argument that trading for players is poor strategy.
That you have to choose good players that fit your system seems to have escaped the Carlton list management team.

Same way as you have to draft good players... Let's hope the Carlton brain-trust have that on a sticky note on their computers. "Remember to draft good players."

How are they blunders? Williams been injured sure - the others have all had significant contributions to the team. Hollands/Cerra still have plenty of football ahead of them as well and Saad/Acres/Hewett have been brilliant pick-ups

 

[CarmenSandiego]

You showing us a lit of Carlton's trading blunders doesn't make an argument that trading for players is poor strategy.
That you have to choose good players that fit your system seems to have escaped the Carlton list management team.

Same way as you have to draft good players... Let's hope the Carlton brain-trust have that on a sticky note on their computers. "Remember to draft good players."

Think you missed the point, champ.

Was displaying that Carlton haven’t been shy of trading for the now over going to the draft. We’ve done that for a few years and now it’s time to hit the draft, and have landed pick 3. What’s your big critique of that?

PS they’re hardly blunders besides Williams.

 

[Fadge]

Mate, you’ve spent all your free time trying to convince the internet that Carlton ARENT in a premiership window.

Now that’s changed? Are we in a window?

If we sold the farm for Houston you would’ve said ‘LOL they think they’re in a window!!’

They're NOT I'm a premiership window, because they don't currently have the list depth and balance to be so.

But if they are ever going to improve their list to genuinely contend for a premiership, the time is now, where your core are at the peak of their powers, as Carlton are more reliant onbtheir core top 5 or 6 players than any other team in the competition.

And regressing your list going into 2025 is not the answer. It really is quite simple.

 

[No SPIN]

You've got to be the biggest nuffy in australia if you think a team that's won 13 & 14 games & played finals the past 2 years ending up with pick #3 is a bad move.

You need to remember that you finished 9th this year, landing a gun half back flanker isn't going to launch you into automatic Premiers. Relax.

It’s the same team that had 2 wins in the last 8 games, and they were both bottom dwellers in WC and NM.
And the absurdity of thinking Pick 3 immediately becomes a best 22 starter is even more foolish.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

They're NOT I'm a premiership window, because they don't currently have the list depth and balance to be so.

But if they are ever going to improve their list to genuinely contend for a premiership, the time is now, where your core are at the peak of their powers, as Carlton are more reliant onbtheir core top 5 or 6 players than any other team in the competition.

And regressing your list going into 2025 is not the answer. It really is quite simple.

How is it even possible to construct a post that contradicts itself so much?

You are truly gifted.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

It’s the same team that had 2 wins in the last 8 games, and they were both bottom dwellers in WC and NM.
And the absurdity of thinking Pick 3 immediately becomes a best 22 starter is even more foolish.

So you cherry pick an 8-week patch over a 2-year period? You wouldn’t dare apply the same standards to your own club, would you? I'll remind you that you finished 9th, below Carlton.

And lol re: top 3 pick not being best 22. Let's go through the last 5 years, when draftees have really started to hit the ground running.

2019: Luke Jackson - injury in year 1 but was easily best 22. Won RS & Premiership following year
2020: Will Phillips - played every game possible - minus a few games from illness.
2021: Finn Callaghan - drafted to a decent GWS midfield, managed 6 games with some injuries. Regular now.
2022: Harry Sheezel - yeah pretty sure that bloke played
2023: Jed Walter - key fwd, more of a project, still played 12 games despite injuries.

Odds are, barring injury, we're getting a best 22 player and there is absolutely no way the club would be planning to draft someone who wouldn't be.

I'll also remind you most top picks go into bottom 4 clubs, making it harder to perform. Players like Daicos, Jackson, Ashcroft & to an extent JHF (after his 1st year) going to better teams tend to perform a lot better.

 

[Worm4]

Carlton are carried by a core of 6 players who are at their peak RIGHT NOW.

So, at Carlton's peak, they have won 27 home and away games out of 46 - that's 59% for those playing at home - and lost their most recent final by the 20 minute mark of the first quarter.

If Carlton are to contend for a premiership, they need to improve NOW, and how do they expect first year players to produce as much as those they have, or are looking to, let go?

So a net backwards step for Carlton heading into 2025, when Cripps, Curnow, McKay and Weitering are all in their prime...

I've seen your predictions on Carlton quite regularly. You had us 16th last year, and now you think we will improve to 14th. Again, you're quite brilliant

 

[CarmenSandiego]

I've seen your predictions on Carlton quite regularly. You had us 16th last year, and now you think we will improve to 14th. Again, you're quite brilliant

Despite ‘regressing’ our list.

We’ve lost heaps of good players this trade period, so checks out.

 

[No SPIN]

So you cherry pick an 8-week patch over a 2-year period? You wouldn’t dare apply the same standards to your own club, would you? I'll remind you that you finished 9th, below Carlton.

And lol re: top 3 pick not being best 22. Let's go through the last 5 years, when draftees have really started to hit the ground running.

2019: Luke Jackson - injury in year 1 but was easily best 22. Won RS & Premiership following year
2020: Will Phillips - played every game possible - minus a few games from illness.
2021: Finn Callaghan - drafted to a decent GWS midfield, managed 6 games with some injuries. Regular now.
2022: Harry Sheezel - yeah pretty sure that bloke played
2023: Jed Walter - key fwd, more of a project, still played 12 games despite injuries.

Odds are, barring injury, we're getting a best 22 player and there is absolutely no way the club would be planning to draft someone who wouldn't be.

I'll also remind you most top picks go into bottom 4 clubs, making it harder to perform. Players like Daicos, Jackson, Ashcroft & to an extent JHF (after his 1st year) going to better teams tend to perform a lot better.

Remember Paddy Dow - how did that work out. It’s not just about Pick 3 it’s Carlton continuously making the wrong choice with high picks.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Remember Paddy Dow - how did that work out. It’s not just about Pick 3 it’s Carlton continuously making the wrong choice with high picks.

My god this is so dumb.

'lets refrain from ever going to the draft because the previous regime picked some bad players in that one draft!1!1!"

You recruited Treloar & Grundy then had to pay them to play elsewhere because you stuffed it up so bad, yet you're still out here throwing away money and picks for players. Schultz is looking shaky too.

 

[Fadge]

Sounds as though Carlton supporters believe their club is heading in the right direction.

That therefore poses a question...

'I'm which year do you expect to be in a position to genuinely contend for a premiership?'