News Chad Wingard traded to Hawthorn for ... dammit who is peeling onions?

[Spinifex]

I wonder if Jonas has anything to do with this?
Kochi said after the season that Jonas said that we have to be ruthless if we are going to have success. Straight away after that Wingard’s name came up but never went away.
I believe Wingard was pushed out but was it by the coaches or the leadership group?


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[edgie]

Hawks will win a flag with Chad.

What then? Was it Chad who was wrong? Yes. Clearly. We were right and his behaviour clearly couldn't be tolerated.

Sent from mTalk

 

[PAFC27]

Port in: Burton, pick 3
Hawthorn in: Wingard
Gold coast in: McEvoy, Hombsch

I wish

 

[Waspy79]

"If I was asked why Port Adelaide was so successful in the 1950's and 1960's, I would offer this blueprint," said Williams who still has notebooks and papers from his 28 year coaching career.

• We planned it
• We made the players extra fit, fitter than our rivals
• We made the players see themselves as the best ever
• We practised as we would play
• We showed that to stop the opposition it was vital that each player was alert, rested and could beat his opponent with speed and strength
• We demanded every player back up his team mate
• We strived as a team, not as individuals
• We made decisions in the best interest of our club and our team and never wavered
• We did not tolerate whinging or jealousies; the club's decision was final
• We shared our fortunes, good and bad
• We are family, a happy family
• We recognised we owed our fans for their support
• We didn't care what we were called on the field
• We acknowledged it was "them versus us"

"We sold this philosophy to the players and there was no one among us who thought the game was not worth the sacrifice," said Williams, who always led by example. "No one. We were all dedicated to being the best football club seen."

Yet people are whinging about trading a guy who would rather sit in his room playing Fortnite, turns up to preseason overweight, has poor body composition so he can’t run our games, doesn’t do extra sessions, rocks up to training last, ****s around while he’s there, and acts like the biggest prima donna on the field.

A guy who didn’t want to sacrifice for the game.

You campaigners talk about being Port Adelaide. This is what the true Port Adelaide would do to Chad Wingard.

All well and good if we hadn’t just recruited two players that have had work ethic issues at their previous clubs.

The club is a walking contradiction.

 

[elpirate]

Sounds like Wingard is as weak as piss if he doesn’t take negative criticism as a challenge and instead of proving people wrong decides to spit the dummy.

Everyone else would have been given the same bake after the side fell in a heap after the Melbourne game. Everyone else took it on the chin and set out to rectify the situation by doing extra sessions in the gym to prepare for a gruelling preseason camp.

Not Wingard. No, he threw his dolly against a wall and then went out to try and maximise his dollars, thinking that if he chose a club like Hawthorn, we wouldn’t be able to get him there.

This guy thought that the club was just ******* with him.

They weren’t ******* with him.

Guys like this are toxic to the quest for a premiership because for all their talent they believe that somehow affords them special treatment. Well, the club gave him special treatment, and at no time did he respond. He didn’t even meet the club half way.

**** him. The petulant little shit.

I like how you take what is written here then turn it in to a seemingly proofed, story-like post that is worded in a way as though you have connections to the club and what you are saying is 100% accurate and a form of inside info.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

**** him. The petulant little shit.

You'll use "the petulant little shit" line on every single player on our list before this nightmare era is over.. could the problem possibly lay elsewhere?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Sounds like Wingard is as weak as piss if he doesn’t take negative criticism as a challenge and instead of proving people wrong decides to spit the dummy.

Everyone else would have been given the same bake after the side fell in a heap after the Melbourne game. Everyone else took it on the chin and set out to rectify the situation by doing extra sessions in the gym to prepare for a gruelling preseason camp.

Not Wingard. No, he threw his dolly against a wall and then went out to try and maximise his dollars, thinking that if he chose a club like Hawthorn, we wouldn’t be able to get him there.

This guy thought that the club was just ******* with him.

They weren’t ******* with him.

Guys like this are toxic to the quest for a premiership because for all their talent they believe that somehow affords them special treatment. Well, the club gave him special treatment, and at no time did he respond. He didn’t even meet the club half way.

**** him. The petulant little shit.

This would be a reasonable opinion if the coach you champion on this board didn't have 3 bad years in a row then threaten to quit the club to go to the Suns if we didn't extend his contract because he doesn't like working under pressure.

Funny, I don't remember you calling Hinkley a petulant little shit at the time.

 

[Nemisis]

This whole saga has done a lot of damage for the way I feel about this club.

Yes, this year at Ports is like when i was a boy - "really there is no Father Christmas". It is realising that Port has become like every other club. Port has lost the mystique it once held. Port have somehow sold its soul in a few short years... The Club needs a total rebuild starting at the top...

 

[raptalia]

Hawks will win a flag with Chad.

What then? Was it Chad who was wrong? Yes. Clearly. We were right and his behaviour clearly couldn't be tolerated.

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That is not a given as at the start of next season the Hawks will have nine players in their list who are 30+. If they are to win a flag it will probably have to be in the next couple of years before those nine become 32+. The rise of Collingwood and Richmond means they will not have it all their own way and Essendon and Melbourne are also building up strength and West Coast will continue to enjoy their Optus advantage for a couple of years. Hawthorn will be in the mix for sure but a Premiership is not theirs for the taking simply because they have lured Wingard. From what you and others are posting Chad Wingard is not without his own issues and his relationship with Alistair Clarkson may not be as easy as some Hawthorn supporters might think.

Hawthorn are attempting to do what they have done successfully in the past, trade for a Premiership but the cost is they do not have a list under pinned with burgeoning talent. That is pretty self evident when the only reasonable young player they can offer us in a trade is the equivalent of two or three that we already have on our list and they have to convince him to leave.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Hopefully wingard finds himself as the best player in a mediocre team for the next 5 years

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Burton hasn't spoken to Ken yet and also has to pass a "character" test haha jeezus this club.

 

[raptalia]

Do we really know if Chad had an attitude problem or is that simply something we are posting to ease the pain of losing him?

I am not saying Chad hasn't had issues but it would be nice to have some clear examples of things he did or didn't do. If we had an example or two I would quickly float over to the Hawthorn board and let the smug bastards know about them.

 

[Nemisis]

I wonder if Jonas has anything to do with this?
Kochi said after the season that Jonas said that we have to be ruthless if we are going to have success. Straight away after that Wingard’s name came up but never went away.
I believe Wingard was pushed out but was it by the coaches or the leadership group?


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Good point. My blood boils when i hear about leadership groups... chosen because they are popular. Given power that should be solely with the coach. Factions are formed by having 'elite' groups within clubs.

 

[KenOath]

Listening to Polec say he's been a massive Port supporter since he was a kid and didn't want to leave, Wingard also loves the club and doesn't want to leave...
2 of our best players gone.

WHAT THE **** ARE WE DOING!!!!!!!

Scapegoating

 

[pastmyprimus]

The club is going to cop a lot of heat for this. But it’ll be nothing like the heat they’ll experience if 2019 is worse than 2018, and Chad stars for the Hawks

 

[Duck Farmer]

Polec was interviewed on "The Trade Table" tonight and he said Chad wanted to stay but this stemmed from his exit interview. Kane Cornes was a bit less than sympathetic and as exit interviews are to point out your shortcomings I would have expected Chad to be prepared to be told a few home truths. Although a good bit also lies with the person doing the interviews, no-one likes to be told nothing but negatives about themselves.

Waiting until the end of the season to give Chad a strong message in an exit interview is appalling coaching and people management. Where was this tough love during the season à la DBJ? Picking Chad for every game if he was half-arsing it and had an attitude problem is hardly sending him the right signal. Also coming 6th in the B&F indicates he was generally doing what the coaches expected on field. If KT and Koch are serious Ken should be disciplined for letting this situation eventuate.

 

[raptalia]

I am not sure why the Wingard defection is entirely the fault of the PAFC and I am unclear as to why some supporters want to unload on the Club for losing a player who wanted to go? What else could the Club have done to keep him?

Clubs loose good players all the time and if you look at our retention rate over the years it is pretty good. Maybe I am missing someone but Stevens, S Burgoyne, Polec and Wingard are about the only gun players we have lost over the years and we have traded in far more than we have lost. As Jason Cripps says this year is unusual for us because we have lost two good players in one year.

I am as critical of Ken Hinkley as anyone, a scan through the Hinkley thread will confirm that, but fair is fair. If Hinkley doesn't lay it on the line to the players after a totally unacceptable season he is as weak as piss in some eyes but when he does hand out a justified spray and a player reacts by walking he is at fault. Like it or not Hinkley is the Coach and as Coach he has the right to call it as he sees it. If a player doesn't like it and walks so be it and we will miss his talent but not his poor attitude.

If Polec and Wingard don't want to leave they can stay, as I see it no one told them they were not required. The problem for both players is if they stayed it would be on the PAFC's terms not theirs. I see nothing wrong with expecting players to accept the Club's right to dictate team rules, conditions and pay, just as I see nothing wrong with players deciding to go if they can't.

 

[Young Gun #6]

 

[Janus]

This would be a reasonable opinion if the coach you champion on this board didn't have 3 bad years in a row then threaten to quit the club to go to the Suns if we didn't extend his contract because he doesn't like working under pressure.

Funny, I don't remember you calling Hinkley a petulant little shit at the time.

You know the same person who said that Hinkley was going to Gold Coast said that Wingard was demanding $1m a season as a free agent don’t you?

If you’re going to believe one story, you have to believe the other.

As for him threatening to quit - I believe that was more over the pup he was sold by Cripps saying we had a premiership list.

We had a list that was only ever going to be good enough to make a prelim final, because there were too many selfish players on it. I don’t mean selfish in terms of not making any sacrifices, but selfish in that those sacrifices would always have a rider on them.

Jackson Trengove would sacrifice...as long as he was playing best 22 football.

Jarman Impey would sacrifice...As long as his mate was still at the club and he didn’t have to improve his skills.

Jasper Pittard would sacrifice...as long as his bad decisions would be glossed over.

Jared Polec would sacrifice...as long as he didn’t have to defend.

Chad Wingard would sacrifice...as long as it didn’t creep into his personal time.

And that bullshit attitude is starting to seep into a kid like Powell-Pepper.

Just like with O’Maera, Clarkson thinks he’s buying the player Wingard was, not the player he is. Freedom of expression is great, but in order to win a flag, everyone has got to be painting on the same canvas, not painting on the walls.

We will be a better team without these guys. Less talented? Sure. But winning on talent alone never got anyone a flag. Graham Cornes said that in terms of talent, there was no way Port Adelaide should have won the flag against Glenelg in 1990. But what that Port side had was a commitment and a ruthlessness to protect one another combined with enough talent to make good on the promises they made to one another.

That’s what we need to win a flag. Not the best players. The right ones.

 

[Tor Eckman]

Question to Port fans demanding a truck load, where do you value Wingard in terms of importance to your list ?

1. Gray
2. Ryder
3. Wingard

 

[raptalia]

Waiting until the end of the season to give Chad a strong message in an exit interview is appalling coaching and people management. Where was this tough love during the season à la DBJ? Picking Chad for every game if he was half-arsing it and had an attitude problem is hardly sending him the right signal. Also coming 6th in the B&F indicates he was generally doing what the coaches expected on field. If KT and Koch are serious Ken should be disciplined for letting this situation eventuate.

It wasn't just Wingard. If you listen to Justin Westhoff all the players got the message. Wingard reacted differently to most.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Nah I reckon you guys are absolutely right to axe him. Comes across as a sook and not a team player.

kinda like Tex?

 

[raptalia]

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Not interested in what shit stirring North Melbourne players have to say. How long before this guy starts telling the world how Much Better North Melbourne is than Port? Polec claims to love Port, leaves, then shit stirs on social media. You have your money Jared so shut up and enjoy it.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

C4[2]Yo`DooR any word?

Few puzzle pieces still need to fall into place on some other fronts for the hawks.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Few puzzle pieces still need to fall into place on some other fronts for the hawks.

So word of us folding on the 15 + Burton are bull?