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^So what. That's his role. Opposition players get pressured and end up kicking the ball forward to noone in particular and he mops up by marking and rebounding by moving the ball forward or switching. This is obviously what Ross has instructed him to do and he has played the role reasonably well with the odd clanger. What would you have him do...spend all game running to find a contest just so he can generate some stats that satisfy you?? I'd rather he continued to play the role Ross has him playing week in and week out and maybe just trying to concentrate a bit more to reduce those unnecessary clangers. Ross is the boss and the more the players are sticking to the roles they are being given, the better they are looking and the better the team is performing. Stats are only useful if they are considered in the appropriate context.
 
You boys no know defence.

Ibbo is good, not good like bone hot girl good but good like would you like a coffee? Yes thanks that would be good.

I hope this clears a few things up.
 

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It's hard to work out who should come and who should go. But here is my crack at it:

Neale really put his hand up on the weekend, plus it's a trip home for him - which I think is an important consideration. He's a Ross Lyon favourite, decent extractor for a young bloke and a good link up player.

Fyfe - nuff said.

Broughton offers a shitload more than Duffield/Suban/Ibbo, but Ibbo to get a reprieve as I don't think his one on one work is bad, and his overhead marking is quite a strength.

Mayne >>>>>>>>> Kep. Clarke is a bit piss weak but a far better backup ruck, and Kep is probably better for structure, but his goal kicking should be West Perth's liability, not ours.

Lower is another on the cusp, but he didn't exactly light it up for Perth on the weekend, so I'd say Neale is in front of him.

Dawson, still question marks over his fitness. No need to rush him back given the strong output of our defensive talls.

Mayne for Kep
Fyfe for Suban
Broughton for Duffield

Fyfe to sub, with Sutcliffe into the backline for some strong rebounding- taking Suban's spot.
Broughton back to where he plays his best footy.
Neale a midfield rotation.
 
Big Animal said:
^So what. That's his role. Opposition players get pressured and end up kicking the ball forward to noone in particular and he mops up by marking and rebounding by moving the ball forward or switching. This is obviously what Ross has instructed him to do and he has played the role reasonably well with the odd clanger. What would you have him do...spend all game running to find a contest just so he can generate some stats that satisfy you?? I'd rather he continued to play the role Ross has him playing week in and week out and maybe just trying to concentrate a bit more to reduce those unnecessary clangers. Ross is the boss and the more the players are sticking to the roles they are being given, the better they are looking and the better the team is performing. Stats are only useful if they are considered in the appropriate context.
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My point is that he doesn't win contests. I don't care about the number of contested possession but more interested in the % of wins in contest situations.

Also, his DE is 70% for a guy who gets alot of uncontested ball is shocking.

As for his contested marks, only 9 for the year as a backman , 3 of those was against the giants.

He shows little leadership and don't see him encouraging or talking to other players.
 
Stronzo said:
It's hard to work out who should come and who should go. But here is my crack at it:

Neale really put his hand up on the weekend, plus it's a trip home for him - which I think is an important consideration. He's a Ross Lyon favourite, decent extractor for a young bloke and a good link up player.

Fyfe - nuff said.

Broughton offers a shitload more than Duffield/Suban/Ibbo, but Ibbo to get a reprieve as I don't think his one on one work is bad, and his overhead marking is quite a strength.

Mayne >>>>>>>>> Kep. Clarke is a bit piss weak but a far better backup ruck, and Kep is probably better for structure, but his goal kicking should be West Perth's liability, not ours.

Lower is another on the cusp, but he didn't exactly light it up for Perth on the weekend, so I'd say Neale is in front of him.

Dawson, still question marks over his fitness. No need to rush him back given the strong output of our defensive talls.

Mayne for Kep
Fyfe for Suban
Broughton for Duffield

Fyfe to sub, with Sutcliffe into the backline for some strong rebounding- taking Suban's spot.
Broughton back to where he plays his best footy.
Neale a midfield rotation.
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Who is Neale in for? I want him in I can't see who you dropped for him.
 
These stats crack me up at times. Stats can change really quickly. And I want to know the degree of what these stats resemble. I want people taking uncontested marks. So long as they become accountable defensively if they are not the ball receiver.

For example creating an uncontested mark in the backline means a kick does not have to go to a contested mark situation. THey are on the harder opponents - just a minor detail but taking a contested mark when you play on the number 1-3 attacker is kind of more significant stat wise.
There is nothing I like more, than players running their guts out to receive the ball without any contesting!

Defensively, McPharlin, McPhee and Johnson are the ones that are there for the majority of contested spoils and marks, because they are better at it. Everyone else has flashed in and out all year including Broughton (love the guy but he has not had a good year/ servicable at best for his standards.

Roberton averages 10 possessions a game - setting the world on fire. An argument could be made that he is inconsistent at best. Atleast Ibbotson finds the pill consistently albeit gifting it to the opposition :)
Jokes aside, Roberton has gone from a player getting an opportunity to a player that can hold a spot. I am not going to give my accolades after a few good games, one of which coming against GWS.
 
I agree with Pratt, Sepp & papa J

Ibbotson is terrible. Not great defensively but on top of that all he does is mark stand and look around for a while while the opposition get numbers back and then chip sideways.

On the odd occasion the play forces him to play on or run forward with the ball he seems to miss his target and that includes the big sticks.

He does seem to float back and take a mark every now and then which I assume is what keeps him his spot but there must be better options.

If I have ever seen a brilliant trade option he is it. I think there was an article during the year where Malthouse mentioned him being back in the side was required after he was dropped so hopefully there is some thought outside our club that he might be a good pickup.
 
My last post had nothing to do with the team changes thread so here we go:

In: Fyfe, Mayne, Dawson (if fit)
Out: Ibbotson, Bradley, Suban or Duffield

On a side note, although I have really been impressed with Neale especially when he has the pill. I dont think he has been getting it enough to replace any of the midfielders. So unless he get more time in the middle and while we have Ballas and Walters I don't think he deserves a game over the others including Sutcliffe.
 

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I agree with Pratt, Sepp & papa J

Ibbotson is terrible. Not great defensively but on top of that all he does is mark stand and look around for a while while the opposition get numbers back and then chip sideways.

On the odd occasion the play forces him to play on or run forward with the ball he seems to miss his target and that includes the big sticks.

He does seem to float back and take a mark every now and then which I assume is what keeps him his spot but there must be better options.

If I have ever seen a brilliant trade option he is it. I think there was an article during the year where Malthouse mentioned him being back in the side was required after he was dropped so hopefully there is some thought outside our club that he might be a good pickup.
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For the record, I don't think Ibbo is terrible at all. I would just like to see a bit more clinical decisiveness and drive when he's got the chance to do so. I also thought he'd come on a bit more given where he started. He's not really developed as much as I thought. However, as Animal suggested, if he's doing a role and he's doing it well the I'm even happier with that. From my reading he's doing OK, not brilliant, but OK.
 
Fair enough Papa J,

When he played his first couple of games I remember saying to my mate....this guy is going to be a player.

He has done very little since other than raise my blood pressure.

I really do think he is one of our players that might be some what rated by others and a good trade option to bring in a good pick, out of favour midfielder or a genuine small defensive player.

I swear him and S Dodd must be related.
 
He's nowhere near as bad as Dodd disposal wise, but prattsta has nailed the problem with his play. Takes an eon to make a decision and usually makes a poor, or at best, uncreative one. On a sliding scale of defensiveness it goes Dodd > Ibbotson > Duffield. On a sliding scale of disposal it goes Duffield > Ibbotson > Dodd.

Ibbotson is the goldilocks of poor HBFs we've had.
 
Roberton is actually becoming one of our most creative HBF's. Ibbo really belongs in the midfield where he can get more ball on the run. When he takes marks and looks for an option time seems to stand still.
 
How many times have you seen Ibbo get the ball 65-70 metres out with no one around him and not hit a target inside 50? Every farking time!
 
Fyfe in for Mundy
Mayne for Kepler
Lower for Suban
Would really like to see Lower get a game. Had a good game last time he played his old team and brings a hard edge to the game. something port said they would bring this week.
 
Seppo said:
Ibbo is well behind the other HBF with creativity/efficiency with ball use. Often just looks for the easy one down the line and in the off chance he looks to take the daring kick into the corridor it usually isn't accurate...

Here are our half backs DE%:
1. Roberton 85%
2. Duffield 83%
3. Spurr 82%
4. McPhee 79%
5. Johnson 78%
6. Broughton 73%
7. Suban 73%
8. Ibbotson 70%
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That's right boys, one time more often every ten times that the top 5 guys here kick the ball our team retains possession. That's pretty much about once per game.


Yeah, he's shithouse :rolleyes:
 
Of the top three; Roberton and Spurr are the ones I can picture kicking to someone other than the free man standing by himself on the opposing half back flank.

Duffield is that man that run thirty metres behind the ball, at the top of the square, so we can switch the play across the ground. Un-pressured kick to an unmarked man. He BETTER have a high disposal efficiency.

I'm a Duffield fan, but those stats lie. If there was a graph showing forward metres gained vs disposal efficiency I'd be very interested to see who is the our most valuable re-bounder.
 

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