Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 23 vs. Brisbane, Marvel, Fri 18/08, 7:50pm

[Scodog10]

It would be maddness resting players next week. In that senario whoever is rested will rest, play, bye, QF. If we win that finals bye then PF. 2 games in 5 weeks is no way to prepare for a tough PF. Its bad enough now the disadvantage teams get when they win the QF and having 2 weeks off in 3 let alone making it 3 in 5.

This week provides a guilt edged opportunity with no Moore and Noble under a cloud to ease Pendles workload. As you suggested resting players now is mad, but shifting Pendles back provides that dual benefit of less bash and crash for him plus it supplements the leadership void of no Howe or Moore. It also allows both Mitchell and Adams the opportunity to get to work at ground level which will be good for their games, IMO. Adams forward of centre work will be a loss given he’s top 5 league wide for goal assists, but Ginnivan might offer that spark.

In: Steele and Ryan
Out: Moore and Noble

Top 2 locked up and injuries to defenders is a nice team to have a kid a debut, IMO. In a doomsday scenario where we lose IQ and Noble in a finals series at least we’ve had the look at him. Who knows he may be our own Wilmott

The only lingering question is what to do should Steele not get up which is a realistic possibility. I’d love to pick Carmichael given his form I just have my doubts over that being the right choice when he has one foot out the door so it might be a dual debut unless Macrae gets a shot.

 

[Scodog10]

I think I read that equates to 45 goals. Not sure if true ( couldn’t be bothered) but if true it means port would have to win their last three games by ten goals average, and we’d have to lose our remaining two by 8 goals each.

If I were offering a market I’d have it at roughly 100-1 Port miss the top 4 and 1000-1 they finish above Collingwood. Yeah folks Carlton, WB, St Kilda and even GWS can finish 4th with 5 results going their way.

Edit: In a worst case scenario where Port drop all 3 they can fall as low as 7th.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If I were offering a market I’d have it at roughly 100-1 Port miss the top 4 and 1000-1 they finish above Collingwood. Yeah folks Carlton, WB, St Kilda and even GWS can finish 4th with 5 results going their way.

Edit: In a worst case scenario where Port drop all 3 they can fall as low as 7th.

If I were Damien Hardwick I wouldn’t be in a rush to sign for the Suns. Port have been gunning for years to sack Hinkley…. If the wheels fall off now it could still happen.

 

[sideswipe]

This week provides a guilt edged opportunity with no Moore and Noble under a cloud to ease Pendles workload. As you suggested resting players now is mad, but shifting Pendles back provides that dual benefit of less bash and crash for him plus it supplements the leadership void of no Howe or Moore. It also allows both Mitchell and Adams the opportunity to get to work at ground level which will be good for their games, IMO. Adams forward of centre work will be a loss given he’s top 5 league wide for goal assists, but Ginnivan might offer that spark.

In: Steele and Ryan
Out: Moore and Noble

Top 2 locked up and injuries to defenders is a nice team to have a kid a debut, IMO. In a doomsday scenario where we lose IQ and Noble in a finals series at least we’ve had the look at him. Who knows he may be our own Wilmott

The only lingering question is what to do should Steele not get up which is a realistic possibility. I’d love to pick Carmichael given his form I just have my doubts over that being the right choice when he has one foot out the door so it might be a dual debut unless Macrae gets a shot.

Gilt.


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[TheGreatGrundy]

Whether it’s tightness or a strain, Moore needs to rest…testing will show signs of susceptibility to injury. Tightness is one such a sign.

Lippa showed last year that he’s best 22, he isn’t at the moment. I’m bringing Macrae back in to take some load of our aging on ball brigade and Jordy who will also probably miss or need a break.

Out: Moore, Jordy, Lippa
In: Cox, Macrae Sidebottom




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Lippa not best 22 against Geelong! You must have a different game than the one I saw. He is not going anywhere. Jordy out! Macrae in! Jesus wept!

 

[KinderSmock]

One thing I find interesting is that they didn't choose to rest Ruscoe in the last. So he probably isn't going to play. And it probably indicates we're not renewing him.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Cox come in for height.

Ryan to replace Noble. 17 possessions in three quarters of footy ... not bad.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I don't think anyone would have really thought that Moore would be playing again in the home and away after seeing the incident last night, that looked like it was clearly an injury rather than tightness, just hope there are no hiccups and he is ready for the finals

I think it was tightness. After the game he looked to be walking around fine, and didn't have any ice applied to his hammy.

 

[Fruit]

Working out who could play who in the finals is doing my head in. I’d love to see someone finish Melbourne off before we have to play them in a final.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Our midfield is the issue at the moment. We look slow in there, and always a step or two behind our opposition mids.
Seeing Ginni played well, keep him up forward, and play the Hill role.
Would we look at getting some speed into the midfield with Hill and McCreery both in there?

 

[frizzle]

This week provides a guilt edged opportunity with no Moore and Noble under a cloud to ease Pendles workload. As you suggested resting players now is mad, but shifting Pendles back provides that dual benefit of less bash and crash for him plus it supplements the leadership void of no Howe or Moore. It also allows both Mitchell and Adams the opportunity to get to work at ground level which will be good for their games, IMO. Adams forward of centre work will be a loss given he’s top 5 league wide for goal assists, but Ginnivan might offer that spark.

In: Steele and Ryan
Out: Moore and Noble

Top 2 locked up and injuries to defenders is a nice team to have a kid a debut, IMO. In a doomsday scenario where we lose IQ and Noble in a finals series at least we’ve had the look at him. Who knows he may be our own Wilmott

The only lingering question is what to do should Steele not get up which is a realistic possibility. I’d love to pick Carmichael given his form I just have my doubts over that being the right choice when he has one foot out the door so it might be a dual debut unless Macrae gets a shot.

Not a fan of Ryan making his debut in a match featuring probably the best small forwards in the competition. Surely Maynard, Crisp & Quaynor are enough? I don’t think the kid is ready yet to be honest. Has the talent it seems. But I think 2024 will be his time.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Not a fan of Ryan making his debut in a match featuring probably the best small forwards in the competition. Surely Maynard, Crisp & Quaynor are enough? I don’t think the kid is ready yet to be honest. Has the talent it seems. But I think 2024 will be his time.

He may just be emergency in case Noble doesn't get up & that's why they took him out of the vfl game at 3/4 time.

 

[magpies42]

Lippa not best 22 against Geelong! You must have a different game than the one I saw. He is not going anywhere. Jordy out! Macrae in! Jesus wept!

He’s slow, for balance we need some speed. I’d bring Reef in. He had some soft efforts and burnt the ball, he can’t afford to burn the ball. Got better as the team did in the second half though. So I get the argument that he plays next week.


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[Jen2310]

He may just be emergency in case Noble doesn't get up & that's why they took him out of the vfl game at 3/4 time.

Yeah, reckon thats it. Just in case Noble doesn't get up.

 

[lethalburns]

Cameron doesn't do enough to negate opposition rucks. I feel its part of the reason why we get toweled up in center clearances.

I would be experimenting with Cox as a full time ruck this week and rest him at CHF.

 

[Lifelong Pie]

I think it was tightness. After the game he looked to be walking around fine, and didn't have any ice applied to his hammy.

They have confirmed he has injured it though

 

[Daicosian silk]

Cameron doesn't do enough to negate opposition rucks. I feel its part of the reason why we get toweled up in center clearances.

I would be experimenting with Cox as a full time ruck this week and rest him at CHF.

Now that too 2 is sewn up we can make a few changes and rest some sore players. Cox for Moore and play Cox CHF with 30% ruck time. Swing Howe back to the backline. Ryan for Noble if he doesn’t get up. Reef for Jordy if he’s sore and needs to freshen up.

 

[jmac70]

I think only players outside the current 22 who are a chance to play are N Daicos, Steele, Moore and Cox.

 

[Maggie5]

I like Frampton in and hopefully the next two games gives him more confidence.

Thought he did well when Moore went off. A keeper if Howe is playing forward.

Gunston out is good for us.

 

[manicpie]

Working out who could play who in the finals is doing my head in. I’d love to see someone finish Melbourne off before we have to play them in a final.

After watching Melbourne last night, we have them well and truly covered

 

[Kirby]

I’m not sure that being slow in the middle is the problem.

I reckon we often get first touch and that the opposition are allowing it as players like Mitchell and to a lesser extent Adams are hitting the deck when gaining that touch and the opposition are sitting back picking off the handballs (which are under pressure).

We need to get those guys to hold their feet more and drive it out further. However, if they can’t get clear possession then lock it in.

 

[JuniorB]

AJ had a poor game in the VFL, so that's his senior season pretty much done.
Howe is playing that role and doing a better job and is more versatile.

 

[Jen2310]

AJ had a poor game in the VFL, so that's his senior season pretty much done.
Howe is playing that role and doing a better job and is more versatile.

I was talking about this to some friends I was with at VFL.. like with Howe playing that role for the time being, I don't see how Johnson gets a spot. Unless Howe goes back. But then they could just bring in Cox (or even Reef). Feels like its one or the other.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He gave up on our team earlier in the week.
Some of the things I read here are mind numbing.

The latest today is Pendles is slow and Sidebottom is past his use by date.
Moore is shite, WHE same.
Cameron the latest victim while Markov has superstar status all of a sudden. Slagged off badly earlier in the year.

You have certainly been vindicated by Markov's play. Even the commentators love him. Amazing how the guy has turned around his career.

However Pendles has slowed up and Cameron has forgotten how to mark. The first problem can be rectified by not playing Pendles against the likes of Dangerfield. The second involves getting inside Cameron's head and making some adjustments or giving Cox a run in his stead.

 

[Bianconeri]

Not a fan of Ryan making his debut in a match featuring probably the best small forwards in the competition. Surely Maynard, Crisp & Quaynor are enough? I don’t think the kid is ready yet to be honest. Has the talent it seems. But I think 2024 will be his time.

I think we’re better off moving WHE to half back in place of Nonle, Sidebottom back to the wing and Ginnivan starting.

 

[whiskeytown]

This week provides a guilt edged opportunity with no Moore and Noble under a cloud to ease Pendles workload. As you suggested resting players now is mad, but shifting Pendles back provides that dual benefit of less bash and crash for him plus it supplements the leadership void of no Howe or Moore. It also allows both Mitchell and Adams the opportunity to get to work at ground level which will be good for their games, IMO. Adams forward of centre work will be a loss given he’s top 5 league wide for goal assists, but Ginnivan might offer that spark.

In: Steele and Ryan
Out: Moore and Noble

Top 2 locked up and injuries to defenders is a nice team to have a kid a debut, IMO. In a doomsday scenario where we lose IQ and Noble in a finals series at least we’ve had the look at him. Who knows he may be our own Wilmott

The only lingering question is what to do should Steele not get up which is a realistic possibility. I’d love to pick Carmichael given his form I just have my doubts over that being the right choice when he has one foot out the door so it might be a dual debut unless Macrae gets a shot.

You laughed at me last week for suggesting an Allen debut… but now propose a Ryan debut

If the further defender is needed against lions… and I think it is if they want to keep Howe forward…

then taller and more experienced Ruscoe gets the call up ahead of Ryan