Preview Changes: R7 vs Collingwood, Sunday April 30, 4.10pm ACST @ Adelaide Oval

[Crows I Am]

If Keays does go back into the midfield to cover Laird, we could go with Jones to run with Daicos. Would definitely have the fitness and speed to keep up with him.

 

[maxlilly]

Berry has been the biggest disappointment for me. Last year he was fantastic and seemed like he was ready to take that next step this year to a genuine A grade mid. From all reports he was training the house down this preseason too. Now he can't even get into the best 22. I am hoping once he can get past whatever injury he has he can get back to the form he had last year.

We have guys like you say in Berry, Shoey and Hately that look like they have gone backwards.

Then we bring in another list clogger in Brown
And we still have Crouch as well.

The problem in sanfl is that Crouch and Brown are our main mids therefore limiting time for Taylor, Nankervis, Cook and Dowling getting a run through the midfield so those young guys get shifted to the peripheral roles in the team.

If Berry had improved this year as projected, I felt we could cover for Laird in a situation like this if he doesn't get up.

 

[ABAB]

Depth will never help cover your best 5 or so players. If anyones depth was that good they wouldn’t be depth!

Berry from last year or Schoenberg from a few years ago would have been a handy replacement so........

 

[Betts are off]

Just on the run with role discussion.

Didn't Harry run with Parish a few years ago and strangely it seemed to bring him right back into form?

When he plays next it might not be the worst idea to have him spend a bit of time with a defensive role again at AFL level. Not necessarily with Daicos, but someone.

Still haven't given up on Harry in the slightest. There's a very talented player in there, he's just gotta figure it out

 

[Carn The Texan]

I'm not sure why but I kinda feel like McHenry is gonna play a full game this week.

In the SANFL as it turns out

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Crouch needs to be delisted at years end.. giving him games is a complete waste and just further hobbles our rebuild.

Theres a reason we havent got much AFL experience within our midfield depth..

Because for the last 3 years (until about the carlton game in R16 last year) we’d given nearly all the midfield minutes to laird, sloane, keays and crouch..

The solution is not to go back to them. They arent the future. The solution is to give the minutes to our younger lads even if it hurts us a bit.

We need to accept some short term pain for the longer term gain.

The problem wouldnt be as bad if we had’ve weened ourselves off the laird, sloane, crouch, keays combination a lot earlier than we did.

Losing Laird is gonna hurt. Put Sloane in there.. bring Cook in onto the wing to replace sloane in that spot.

Sloane and Dawson is enough experience in the middle. Team them up with rankine, rachele, soligo, pedlar etc..

Dont go backwards to crouch… a bloke who is a delist at years end. Its a total fxxkn waste.

Definitely more value in giving a Schoenberg another shot this week

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Just on the run with role discussion.

Didn't Harry run with Parish a few years ago and strangely it seemed to bring him right back into form?

When he plays next it might not be the worst idea to have him spend a bit of time with a defensive role again at AFL level. Not necessarily with Daicos, but someone.

Still haven't given up on Harry in the slightest. There's a very talented player in there, he's just gotta figure it out

It’s probably more mental now than anything

Just needs to Chayce Jones himself and believe that he’s ready and not play so anxious … Chayce was in similar boat and starting to turn it around

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It’s probably more mental now than anything

Just needs to Chayce Jones himself and believe that he’s ready and not play so anxious … Chayce was in similar boat and starting to turn it around

Shoenberg has gone from a player "expecting" to play .....to a player "hoping" to play

That alone can play on your mind & make you anxious .....also can cause double clutching ball handling

 

[spenze]

21 kicks, 21 handballs, 15 marks. He went alright in '83 as well.

Serious beast mode of a game

 

[Betts are off]

Shoenberg has gone from a player "expecting" to play .....to a player "hoping" to play

That alone can play on your mind & make you anxious .....also can cause double clutching ball handling

That's why a defensive role might snap him out of it.

He has good natural ball getting instincts, so just shift his focus to a simple role and let the natural part of the game come more organically back to him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That's why a defensive role might snap him out of it.

He has good natural ball getting instincts, so just shift his focus to a simple role and let the natural part of the game come more organically back to him.

Do you think that was also a reason Jones was played in DEF last year ?

 

[Betts are off]

It’s probably more mental now than anything

Just needs to Chayce Jones himself and believe that he’s ready and not play so anxious … Chayce was in similar boat and starting to turn it around

Totally, it's 100% mental for Harry. The kid has a double dose of talent, we've all seen it.

Just needs to put the psychological pieces in place and let his game elevate.

 

[Betts are off]

Do you think that was also a reason Jones was played in DEF last year ?

I genuinely believe the role of AFL midfielder is incredibly broad in terms of what's required mentally and structurally. And eventually it catches most young midfielders out, and causes them to dip in form/confidence.

Playing simplified roles for a stretch of games is a great way to help young mids build the expectations/ mental side of the role up, so it becomes instinctual to them, rather then overwhelmingly stressful.

I definitely believe Jones benefited from it. Probably even more then the coaches thought he would.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the role of AFL midfielder is incredibly broad in terms of what's required mentally and structurally. And eventually it catches most young midfielders out, and causes them to dip in form/confidence.

Playing simplified roles for a stretch of games is a great way to help young mids mentally build the expectations/ mental side of the role up, so it becomes instinctual to them, rather then overwhelmingly stressful.

I definitely believe Jones benefited from it. Probably even more then the coaches thought he would.

Jones certainly looks to be playing free instinctive footy now .....hasn't been the case the last two years, where you can see he's been overthinking the game

 

[Betts are off]

Jones certainly looks to be playing free instinctive footy now .....hasn't been the case the last two years, where you can see he's been overthinking the game

Absolutely, for about 30 games straight you could see him second guess every decision he made. It was painful to watch actually.

By comparison, seeing him straight line the footy/man over and over now is a thing of beauty.

 

[refused_]

Sportsbet showing us how to deal with Daicos.

edit: The comments are gold about having 22 Cornes.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

He might have just been coming through at the end of Oatey's time - was before my time but my mum's farm backed onto his on Yorke Peninsula and they are around the same age so Davies would have been early 20's at the end of Oatey's time.

Nope...Davies played the majority of his career under Oatey. When Oatey retired from coaching in 1982, Davies would have been about 30-ish.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Keays does go back into the midfield to cover Laird, we could go with Jones to run with Daicos. Would definitely have the fitness and speed to keep up with him.

Still reckon keays is best match up for Daicos

Also think it’s better if he isn’t in midfield as much

I’d give the extra Laird minutes to Soligo Sloane Schoenberg and Rankine

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Totally, it's 100% mental for Harry. The kid has a double dose of talent, we've all seen it.

Just needs to put the psychological pieces in place and let his game elevate.

I think alot of it comes down to anxiety and stress

Get over that and he has weapons that can help us

 

[rabidcrow]

If Keays does go back into the midfield to cover Laird, we could go with Jones to run with Daicos. Would definitely have the fitness and speed to keep up with him.

He would be my choice anyway. Generally doesn’t provide a heap of offense - tough and doesn’t mind hitting the body. Daicos needs to be put under sustained physical pressure to test him out. Hasn’t happened so far in his career and watching some of the clips against Brisbane he didn’t seem to relish it when a bit did come


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[Crow till I die]

Nope...Davies played the majority of his career under Oatey. When Oatey retired from coaching in 1982, Davies would have been about 30-ish.

Ahh, I didn't realise the great man was still coaching up till then!!!!..to think then there were only a handful of years between Oatey at the helm to Trigg at the helm at Oxford Street...beggars belief

 

[Crow_Magnon]

The selection of Crouch was probably mainly due to the fact that Berry / Schoey haven't progressed this year. I guess, at a pinch, he could play on Tom Mitchell, as they're similar types, but outside of that I can't see how we can play him. I'd prefer Cook to come in with Schoey TBH, although the latter is lucky. I'd still play Keays as a defensive fwd on Daicos when he plays back - I don't want him at centre bounces trying to deliver to our forwards, as we'll play into their hands.

The other one we always have trouble with is Jamie Elliott - he had a shocker on Tues, so expect he'll have another blinder against us. MM should get the gig IMO, as he's deceptively quick, and should be too good overhead for Elliott. EH again in the squad...anyone NQR? Fog, possibly...I'd hate to see EH come in for TT - although he's been quiet, a bit worried about this selection, hopefully we had a lighter run this week, as we apparently had a really hard hit out last week due to the longer break - may have left us a bit flat against the Hawks.

 

[CrowBloke]

The problem wouldnt be as bad if we had’ve weened had weaned ourselves off the laird, sloane, crouch, keays combination a lot earlier than we did.

Ftfy, but I am a pedantic ahole.
Your main point about choosing youth rather than give a game to a dead-end Crouch is excellent. Spot on.

However, Nicks' selection policy has nearly always been to select experience (to try to win games) over youth (to develop that young player at the risk of a loss or losses). That's changed s-l-i-g-h-t-l-y over the last 10-12 games but only as our young guys have proved they can do it and with the acquisition of elite talent (Dawson/Rankine).

 

[Thylacinus]

I think alot of it comes down to anxiety and stress

Get over that and he has weapons that can help us

Absolutely. From those close to him he does suffer from nerves. That is why, I believe, he often plays himself into games and his second halves are often better as he begins to settle. Also a long run of games may also help him settle.

 

[Betts are off]

I think alot of it comes down to anxiety and stress

Get over that and he has weapons that can help us

For me he has a Luke Shuey like ceiling. Which I will take every day of the week!