Prediction Changes round five

[TheGreatGrundy]

If Beams is struggling with mental health issues, then simply state that. It's not like it would be a surprise to anyone.
If the Saints can manage it with Jack Stephen, why not Pies/Beams?
Nothing to be ashamed about or lie about. Plenty of mental health issues in society. We need to be more open, inclusive and understanding about it.

If Beams is suffering from mental health problems, then I want to know why we gave up so much to get him back to the club. (I will sit back and wait for the PC brigade to attack me for my candid comment). It's one thing to draft a 29 yr old midfielder yet to prove himself in a final's game but yet another to pay a high price for one who is one paced and suffering mental health issues.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

That didn’t stop him from being selected last year.

After injuries. Jeez, Mayne being a potential out doesn't mean Sier just gets a shot. I know we all love him but he was far from convincing yesterday.

 

[mike123]

After injuries. Jeez, Mayne being a potential out doesn't mean Sier just gets a shot. I know we all love him but he was far from convincing yesterday.

Sier got his hands on footy, that’s good enough for me after he proved himself last year.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Beams will come in,
And Pendles must be on thin ice.

Just when I thought I had read it all...

 

[Tbone McGraw]

If Beams is suffering from mental health problems, then I want to know why we gave up so much to get him back to the club. (I will sit back and wait for the PC brigade to attack me for my candid comment). It's one thing to draft a 29 yr old midfielder yet to prove himself in a final's game but yet another to pay a high price for one who is one paced and suffering mental health issues.

Not sure how to respond to this crap.

People with mental health problems can stiil live their lives.

Seriously such an ordinary post by you.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Sier got his hands on footy, that’s good enough for me after he proved himself last year.

Good enough for you, not quite good enough for the AFL.

Last year was last year. If we're going to reward past form right now, maybe Wells should be a walk up start too?

 

[rand corp]

Out: Mayne (inj.) Brown (omitted)
In: Beams, Sier

 

[sr36]

Not sure how to respond to this crap.

People with mental health problems can stiil live their lives.

Seriously such an ordinary post by you.

I know nothing about Beams's mental state, but if could choose between having or being a gun with or without bouts of depression, you'd choose without in a heartbeat. Just like with a player's injury history, there's an increased risk attached which should be factored into trade price. I can guarantee that it would be factored into drafting decisions, thus I'm with TGG. I'm not talking about Beams because I know nothing about it, but in general. Good on him for saying something that he believes in when he knows it will cop him a few clips.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Not sure how to respond to this crap.

People with mental health problems can stiil live their lives.

Seriously such an ordinary post by you.

Seems to have got 2 likes. The suggestion from Albert Parker was that Beams was withdrawn for mental health reasons and Buck's comment that he may not play next week has been taken by that poster to mean that mental health issues may be keeping him out. The season has barely begun. Now I thought he missed because of the flu, then a player after the game said it was a migraine. Beams has a few playing year's left and is surely not already missing games for 'mental health issues'? He got what he wanted in going to Brisbane and also what he wanted in coming back here. Can't see from the outside why he would be suffering issues a few games into the season.

I am not saying he is suffering mental health issues - this was suggested by Albert Parker. If he is then I stand by my comment and you can call it crap or whatever you like. You say 'People with mental health problems can stiil live their lives' - well if the poster's contention is true (and I am not saying it is) then he has already missed one game and there seems a chance he could miss another. This is not my idea of people still living their lives.

Beams had problems in the past which I assume he had overcome. You don't recruit players of his age with question marks over their physical or mental health. That is my opinion and if you don't like it then bad luck. Hopefully the reason for his withdrawal from the game had nothing to do with mental health and he will return to the side next week.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I don’t think he necessarily missed for anything other than gastro, but mental health issues form part of any club’s assessment of a player’s value in a prospective trade. As they should. It impacts his ability to perform his role and it’s a professional league.

The “people with mental health issues are allowed to live their lives” statements are unhelpful and add nothing to the discussion, as no-one is suggesting otherwise.

If mental health isn’t factored into trade evaluations, explain the return in value for players of the ilk of Jesse Hogan, Cam McCarthy, Gary Rowan etc.?

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I can't argue with people that have no idea on mental health.

You both look extremely ignorant.

TheGreatGrundy The Royal Sampler

 

[sr36]

I don’t think he necessarily missed for anything other than gastro, but mental health issues form part of any club’s assessment of a player’s value in a prospective trade. As they should. It impacts his ability to perform his role and it’s a professional league.

The “people with mental health issues are allowed to live their lives” statements are unhelpful and add nothing to the discussion, as no-one is suggesting otherwise.

If mental health isn’t factored into trade evaluations, explain the return in value for players of the ilk of Jesse Hogan, Cam McCarthy, Gary Rowan etc.?

I reckon i can explain the Gary Rowan one. He's been in the AFL for 10 years at least and still can't get a kick.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I can't argue with people that have no idea on mental health.

You both look extremely ignorant.

TheGreatGrundy The Royal Sampler

Actually I have mental health issues myself - undiagnosed, but that is because I choose to try and solve the unsolvable myself. It causes me a lot of anguish and distress. I would not want to be playing AFL football and trying to cope with the problems I am encountering. So please don't tell me I have no idea. Believe me, I do.

As a team, we haven't had a lot of success with players suffering from mental health issues, like Fasolo or Marsh. I seriously doubt that the club would have pursued Beams if he was in fact challenged by emotional demons.

 

[Scodog10]

For this game:

In Greenwood and Beams
Out Mayne and Brown

Greenwood to Neale.
Pendles to the wing, Beams, DeGoey, Greenwood and Adams to do centre clearances, Pendles and Treloar to play more wing. Just need to be tougher at the coal face.

Bang on for mine. The only other option I’d consider is one of Sier or Wills over Greenwood. Brisbane are small through the middle and if Greenwood doesn’t edge out Neale we’re effectively a mid down. The other question is if Beams doesn’t get up is it Sier or Wills over Brown? It’s a yes for me, but I don’t think the match committee will go that way.

 

[Scodog10]

For mine he proved himself best 22 last year, so he only needs one good game. I don’t mind someone who handballs it and looks to release the runners, it’s something I wish Adams would do more of.

That kick into the corridor brought back far too many memories. IDK why he does it to himself/ us. Confusing ambition with talent is something he should have learnt from long ago.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I can't argue with people that have no idea on mental health.

You both look extremely ignorant.

TheGreatGrundy The Royal Sampler

Then don’t argue; educate me. What have I said that you disagree with?

 

[adammania9]

Buckley doesn't tag ball winners like Neale, so don't count on Greenwood coming in. If anybody is likely to cop a tag, I reckon it will be Zorko from Crisp

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

That kick into the corridor brought back far too many memories. IDK why he does it to himself/ us. Confusing ambition with talent is something he should have learnt from long ago.

Unfortunately Adam's disposal does not match his ability to get the ball which so often tempers many of his passages of good play.

 

[sr36]

I can't argue with people that have no idea on mental health.

You both look extremely ignorant.

TheGreatGrundy The Royal Sampler

No they dont. The nature of employment decisions in professional sport results in people being discriminated against for a variety of reasons that you hope doesn't occur in everyday jobs, including age and medical history. These things impact salary and trade draft valuations.

 

[magpie_marty]

On what basis is he on thin ice, love to hear the reasoning and who is coming in for him

Well he has lost a yard of pace for a start,Which he never had.
His disposal is terrible especially of the left foot,
Tackling is poor once again last night.
Can he kick goals? His set shots are terrible i call it every time "This will miss to the left"
Father time has caught up with him Alas.

 

[OniAu]

Well he has lost a yard of pace for a start,Which he never had.
His disposal is terrible especially of the left foot,
Tackling is poor once again last night.
Can he kick goals? His set shots are terrible i call it every time "This will miss to the left"
Father time has caught up with him Alas.

You have nearly listed everything that was evident in his first year of afl. Disposal isn't terrible either.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Beams back in for Brown.

As for Mayne whom has probably fractured his pelvis or something serious...

It's CROCK O'CLOCK!

Omfg - don’t say that.

 

[magpie_marty]

I can't argue with people that have no idea on mental health.

You both look extremely ignorant.

TheGreatGrundy The Royal Sampler

I have 2 family members that suffer mental health issues so i have some idea.

 

[sr36]

Beams back in for Brown.

As for Mayne whom has probably fractured his pelvis or something serious...

It's CROCK O'CLOCK!

I'm loving your work on the Crock front.

 

[Soups]

Beams will come in,
And Pendles must be on thin ice.

Pendles on thin ice? Yeah nah.