Preview Changes vs Hawthorn, Rd 22, 2023

[Werewolf]

Keath probably the only change. Gardner still injured

Anthony Scott has to miss a week too, yes? Does Cleary replace him?

 

[Doggy]

Anthony Scott has to miss a week too, yes? Does Cleary replace him?

Forgot about him

 

[BEaston]

Posted before 10am!

that's a double oh no

 

[Foxman98]

Keath probably the only change. Gardner still injured

Keath for JJ is a disaster of a change structurally Clizz for JJ Arty for Scott make Keath Sub

 

[Doggy]

Keath for JJ is a disaster of a change structurally Clizz for JJ Arty for Scott make Keath Sub

Forgot about Scott.

Keath wouldn't be sub though. Jones could be

 

[dogwatch]

Yes, I suspected this would be the case. JJ was able to finish the game last week with his calf strapped but I wonder if he should have even been allowed back on when we were 60 points up. Anyway you can bet that he won't be out for just one week. Calves don't heal quickly. Just ask Sam Kerr. And JJ is over 30 so the healing is even slower.

I hope that doesn't mean Bevo will revert to our chippy-chip sideways, backwards and around the boundary line again. Max 10 or 11 goals for the game. That probably won't be enough, especially if Lewis gets his 4 or 5 goals.

There must be no going back. We have to be bold and aggressive coming out of the back half. Keep VDM in defence to maintain our run. Play Keath if we must.

Probably Arty for Scott.

Wouldn't mind seeing Clarke get a run but it probably would have been leaked by now if it was happening. Still it's a Sunday game, so maybe there's a chance it'll be announced today/tomorrow.

 

[TiAn_]

Out: Johannisen, Scott
In: Keath, Baker

Jones sub again

 

[Foxman98]

Forgot about Scott.

Keath wouldn't be sub though. Jones could be

If Keath is our replacement for JJ I will spew up!

We finally get the right balance of talls and smalls Keath for JJ will absolute torpedo it and we will be back to the same crap of most of the year where we can't move the ball

 

[Dazb86]

Cleary for JJ
Baker for Scott

Please

 

[doggies ftw]

FFS JJ can’t catch a break, you just know we’ll go Keath for JJ straight swap and undo all our good work from last week

 

[Golden_6]

Keath will come in for JJ. Hawks have 3 tall forwards and it’s a structure we’ll need for finals. JJ eventually comes in for VDM.

 

[Foxman98]

Keath will come in for JJ. Hawks have 3 tall forwards and it’s a structure we’ll need for finals. JJ eventually comes in for VDM.

It's not a structure we need for finals there are actually very very few teams with 3 KPDs and the only decent ones are the Dees

We have 3 talls all better than the Hawks and yet they will go in with Blanck as their only genuine KPD

 

[Golden_6]

It's not a structure we need for finals there are actually very very few teams with 3 KPDs and the only decent ones are the Dees

We have 3 talls all better than the Hawks and yet they will go in with Blanck as their only genuine KPD

This discussion has been had a lot and the only way 2 KPD work is if they're surrounded by versatile medium options. Given we only have one (Richards) and one KPD is a young guy with less than 10 games of experience, it's a recipe for disaster against quality opposition. A game against an awful Richmond with only one key forward option doesn't change my mind.

 

[lachy]

Cleary for JJ
Baker for Scott

Please

It clearly should be and Cleary will be an upgrade on JJ for intercept marking and 1 v 1 contests though way behind in run and carry though not skills.

Baker and Scott play very similar roles with similar attributes so is a no brainer.

Which means of course the changes will be nothing like this

 

[Foxman98]

This discussion has been had a lot and the only way 2 KPD work is if they're surrounded by versatile medium options. Given we only have one (Richards) and one KPD is a young guy with less than 10 games of experience, it's a recipe for disaster against quality opposition. A game against an awful Richmond with only one key forward option doesn't change my mind.

Dale 188cm good contested mark Richards 188cm good contested mark Williams 190cm good contested mark Cleary 191cm good contested mark we have 4 that can do it,

We are going nowhere fast playing the extra tall it doesn't work so why persist with it?

Richmond had Riewoldt Soldo Bauer
Hawthorn have Lewis Koschitzke Ryan we aren't exactly up against our forwardline

 

[lachy]

This discussion has been had a lot and the only way 2 KPD work is if they're surrounded by versatile medium options. Given we only have one (Richards) and one KPD is a young guy with less than 10 games of experience, it's a recipe for disaster against quality opposition. A game against an awful Richmond with only one key forward option doesn't change my mind.

Given it has only been quality smalls or at best medium smalls that have got hold of us and represent 50% of the top ten goal kickers and 20 goalkickers, explain how this is a recipe for disaster?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dale 188cm good contested mark

 

[Foxman98]

Dale in his forward days got the majority of his goals form marks

 

[Golden_6]

Dale 188cm good contested mark Richards 188cm good contested mark Williams 190cm good contested mark Cleary 191cm good contested mark we have 4 that can do it,

We are going nowhere fast playing the extra tall it doesn't work so why persist with it?

Richmond had Riewoldt Soldo Bauer
Hawthorn have Lewis Koschitzke Ryan we aren't exactly up against our forwardline

You've just listed two guys that have taken 4 contested marks all year, one that has played about a half in defence and one that has taken 1 contested mark in his career.

This game has nothing to do with the Hawks actual forward line but what we will need to be prepared to do to make any noise in this years finals.

 

[weltschmerz]

Yes, I suspected this would be the case. JJ was able to finish the game last week with his calf strapped but I wonder if he should have even been allowed back on when we were 60 points up. Anyway you can bet that he won't be out for just one week. Calves don't heal quickly. Just ask Sam Kerr. And JJ is over 30 so the healing is even slower.

Me, 33 with a torn calf:

 

[Foxman98]

You've just listed two guys that have taken 4 contested marks all year, one that has played about a half in defence and one that has taken 1 contested mark in his career.

This game has nothing to do with Hawks actual forward line but what we will need to be prepared to do to make any noise in this years finals.

Ah yes do what we did last year to "make noise" in finals how did that go again?

We have played a combination of Gards/Keath/Bruce/Cordy/JOD a lot it doesn't work it stalls all of our ball movement it is one of the biggest reasons teams go on massive runs against us because they just invite pressure on us as they can't move the ball, Why after watching last week regardless of what we did defensively would you look at how well we moved the ball and think ah yes we need another tall?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dale in his forward days got the majority of his goals form marks

... taking a maximum of four contested marks in total all year in any of his forward years. He took 8 total as a defender in 2021 - a career high at 0.3 per game.

Dale is an elite half back but "good" contested mark he is not.

 

[Foxman98]

... taking a maximum of four contested marks in total all year in any of his forward years. He took 8 total as a defender in 2021 - a career high at 0.3 per game.

Dale is an elite half back but "good" contested mark he is not.

He has played as a flanker often surrounded by talls making it not relevant for him however he is absolute fine at doing it when needed

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

He has played as a flanker often surrounded by talls making it not relevant for him however he is absolute fine at doing it when needed

Okay, your argument changes every time you post so I'm gonna give up now and agree to disagree.

 

[Foxman98]

Okay, your argument changes every time you post so I'm gonna give up now and agree to disagree.

How has it changed? Dale is a good contested mark when needed? Just because he doesn't do it often (due to structure) doesn't mean he isn't capable of it

My argument has stayed the same throughout play 2 KPD use Dale/Ed/Truck/Cleary as the 3rd tall as they can all step up and do what is required defensively and aren't that big of a downgrade defensively from Gards/Keath playing 3rd tall but are massive upgrades offensively