Chris Judd

[M_I_G]

the brownlow winner should be whoever averages the most in supercoach, will there be an award for this?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It might appear so but he is still having a profound influence on games. The reason he is a little less sighted is because Curnow, Robinson, Ellard and Murphy are shouldering the load now. Which is a good thing.

Not trying to say that he isn't playing well or give ammunition to anyone if he wins another Brownlow. Others have taken the pressure off him a little and he probably hasn't been as front and centre because he hasn't needed to be.

 

[Poseidon]

He just sets pretty high standards to live up to.

This is a problem for all elite players. If you see them at their absolute best then anything else looks slightly disappointing, despite the fact they still produce great games by anyone else's standards.

 

[Blues_Man]

This is the biggest misconception about Judd. Judd rarely kicks unless he is in space,

Try watching some football ..as you have completely NFI ...one of the most moronic and incorrect statements i have read on here ..i mean troll all you like ..but keep these kinds of ridiculous comments in the Bay .

Judd's disposals are generally whilst under pressure...when you get the ball out from a pack of players ..you won't find a lot of space to dispose of the ball at your leisure.

 

[dobbins]

Why does everybody fall over themselves about players who have one or two good seasons. The champions are the ones who not only can turn a game but can do it year in and year out. C Judd is an out an out superstar as is A Goodes and G Ablett. Dont mention others please till they do it for awhile. I have read some garbage about these players before but this thread has to seen to be believed eg... C Judd has no football talent, is a poor kick etc...armchair critics with no ounce of football knowledge and plenty of spite about someone who is a pleasure to watch. Best and Fairest is the name of the Brownlow, sometimes that is forgotten.

 

[Roby]

Haha roll Your eyes. You said he was an athlete first footballer second. Have you ever played the game????

You're an idiot, that's why I rolled my eyes. I mentioned he is not a great kick and you reply with something about him handballing. I would agree he is one of the better handballers in the game. But that's not what I was referencing, kicking is not handballing, fool.

 

[GarethHale]

You're an idiot, that's why I rolled my eyes. I mentioned he is not a great kick and you reply with something about him handballing. I would agree he is one of the better handballers in the game. But that's not what I was referencing, kicking is not handballing, fool.

Oh my god did I mention handball once in that post? I was refering to his clean hands when picking the ball up you oxygen thief! And then to your point about being an athlete first which you have ignored again. please go away now. Fool!! Ps have you played the game?? Ps is everything ok? There are people that can help you.

 

[Blueboys7]

Yeah nah

Your posts continue in quality.

 

[Roby]

Oh my god did I mention handball once in that post? I was refering to his clean hands when picking the ball up you oxygen thief! And then to your point about being an athlete first which you have ignored again. please go away now. Fool!! Ps have you played the game?? Ps is everything ok? There are people that can help you.

Well I thought you meant clean hands - can be interpreted as handballing on top of picking the ball up. You need to explain yourself better instead of getting into hissy fit.

In any case, based on your argument so all he can do is pick it up and then what? His kicking is well below AFL average. And we are talking about Australian FOOTball. Kicking is the most fundamental attribute in the game. What's the point in winning a ball if you then turn it over by foot? So yes, athlete first, footballer second.

 

[aflcliche]

I have noticed he does the team things very well. Gets himself into great positions, runs hard all the time, but team mates often let him down by not passing to him when he's in a good position. Often he is left cold by a fumble and turn over after doing all the hard work.
Re his kicking - I remember when Fev was a target his delivery was straight too him regularly. It was Judd - run and carry, Fevola - chest.

 

[rose jam]

Try watching some football ..as you have completely NFI ...one of the most moronic and incorrect statements i have read on here ..i mean troll all you like ..but keep these kinds of ridiculous comments in the Bay .
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trying watching a blues game without having foggy goggles on. Judd will almost always try to move out of congestion to kick, and then he can only kick with a flciky action in the line he is running, has zero ability to kick across his body. If he can't get into space he will almost always handball, in fact he shapes to handball as his first option these days. So over rated it's laughable and sad.

 

[Damon_3388]

the brownlow winner should be whoever averages the most in supercoach, will there be an award for this?

Going by the Champion Data Player Ranking score (arguably the best catch-all statistical measurement of a player's overall impact, considering it values efficiency, contested ball, forward-moving disposals and defensive efforts, as much as sheer volume of possession, as well as giving extra weighting to actions that turn the tide of the game, like a crucial mark, goal, kick or tackle), the winners from the past 5-6 years would have been:

• 2010 - Brendon Goddard (St Kilda) - 131.1 (25 games)
• 2009 - Gary Ablett (Geelong) - 139.4 (22 games)
• 2008 - Gary Ablett (Geelong) - 132.0 (21 games)
• 2007 - Jimmy Bartel (Geelong) - 126.8 (23 games)
• 2006 - Chris Judd (West Coast) - 131.8 (23 games)
• 2005 - Luke Hodge (Hawthorn) - 135.3 (21 games)

The current top 50 (as of 29/4/2011) is as follows:

1. Dane Swan (Collingwood) - 139.0
2. David Mundy (Fremantle) - 128.8
3. Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) - 127.6
4. Dean Cox (West Coast) - 126.6
5. Andrew Embley (West Coast) - 124.0
6. Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs) - 124.0
7. Matt Priddis (West Coast) - 123.6
8. Jude Bolton (Sydney) - 123.5
9. Nathan Fyfe (Fremantle) - 119.6
10. Jimmy Bartel (Geelong) - 117.8
11. Aaron Sandilands (Fremantle) - 117.0
12. Andrew Swallow (North Melbourne) - 116.8
13. Scott Thompson (Adelaide) - 116.2
14. Paul Chapman (Geelong) - 115.5
15. Brad Ottens (Geelong) - 114.8
16. Ryan Griffen (Western Bulldogs) - 114.8
17. Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle) - 114.4
18. Jobe Watson (Essendon) - 114.4
19. Shane Mumford (Sydney) - 113.8
20. Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) - 113.7
21. Lance Franklin (Hawthorn) - 113.6
22. Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn) - 113.5
23. Marc Murphy (Carlton) - 113.4
24. Brent Moloney (Melbourne) - 113.2
25. Brendon Goddard (St Kilda) - 113.2
26. Jed Adcock (Brisbane) - 113.0
27. Jack Redden (Brisbane) - 110.5
28. Dustin Martin (Richmond) - 108.2
29. Heath Scotland (Carlton) - 107.2
30. Chris Newman (Richmond) - 106.8
31. Corey Enright (Geelong) - 106.8
32. Tom Rockliff (Brisbane) - 106.2
33. Chris Judd (Carlton) - 106.2
34. Sam Fisher (St Kilda) - 105.2
35. Nick Dal Santo (St Kilda) - 105.0
36. Brett Deledio (Richmond) - 104.8
37. Chris Dawes (Collingwood) - 104.0
38. James Kelly (Geelong) - 103.6
39. Adam Goodes (Sydney) - 103.5
40. Edward Curnow (Carlton) - 103.0
41. Mark Jamar (Melbourne) - 103.0
42. Michael Rischitelli (Gold Coast) - 103.0
43. Cyril Rioli (Hawthorn) - 102.0
44. Daniel Cross (Western Bulldogs) - 102.0
45. Ryan O'Keefe (Sydney) - 101.8
46. Leigh Montagna (St Kilda) - 101.8
47. Brent Harvey (North Melbourne) - 101.8
48. Shaun Higgins (Western Bulldogs) - 100.2
49. Daniel Jackson (Richmond) - 100.2
50. Heath Shaw (Collingwood) - 100.0

While in the end, stats are just a number on a page, I don't think the CDPR is too far off of getting it right when it comes to judging who is having the greatest impact on the games that are played.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Hating Chris Judd is so IN right now! All the cool kids are doing it.

 

[T2B_]

trying watching a blues game without having foggy goggles on. Judd will almost always try to move out of congestion to kick, and then he can only kick with a flciky action in the line he is running, has zero ability to kick across his body. If he can't get into space he will almost always handball, in fact he shapes to handball as his first option these days. So over rated it's laughable and sad.

Yet among the few goals he's kicked in recent times have been from across his body. His kicking action in general is odd and I dont understand it, but to say he can't kick except in a straight running line is laughable.

 

[TerryWallet]

Football is NOT a stats oriented game. It is about who helps you win.

The stats industry is an ever increasing part of the peripheral of footy.

But footballers are still judged by football trained and football experienced eyes.

 

[rose jam]

Yet among the few goals he's kicked in recent times have been from across his body. His kicking action in general is odd and I dont understand it, but to say he can't kick except in a straight running line is laughable.

Not it isn't. Kicking the ball on the skinny side to snap is a straight line kickers kick, no deviation of hips or swinging the leg across the body. He can't do that motion and thus needs to over work to pass a ball say at a 45 degree angle. And what he more often does is handball instead because he lacks the skill

 

[Roby]

Not it isn't. Kicking the ball on the skinny side to snap is a straight line kickers kick, no deviation of hips or swinging the leg across the body. He can't do that motion and thus needs to over work to pass a ball say at a 45 degree angle. And what he more often does is handball instead because he lacks the skill

He is almost "the opposite" of Didak.

 

[Chewy]

Anyone else changed opinion on Judd? He copped a lot last year.

I haven't seen anything different from last year to this year.

Judd is still a ball magnet, great at reading the play to gain a possession, great at getting his hands on the pill at stoppages, very clean, never fumbles. But he is not particularly good with his use of the ball. Judd looks good when he gets in the clear and has time, but he is decidedly average by hand and foot when he's put under any sort of pressure. Centremen like Jobe Watson and Sam Mitchell are better than Judd at releasing a teammate with a quick handball in heavy traffic (like Greg Williams) whereas Juddy will often try to go it alone, use his feet first, and when he runs into a dead end, he'll dish it off to a stationary teammate. But Judd has amazing balance and core strength, so he's great at standing up in tackles, breaking tackles or stepping past tacklers and finding space.

For a big guy, he is a very good endurance runner and always gets to where he needs to be. He outruns his taggers to the next contest. He has enough burst to get away frpm taggers. He will often link with his teammates for the 1-2 give and go. So his 30 possession games can be somewhat deceptive, but he often gets 2 or 3 possessions in the build-up to a Carlton score.

One glaring weakness is that he doesn't kick many goals, Actually, he tends to miss quite often.

Another glaring weakness is his aerial game. It's practically non-existent. Maybe it's because he has dodgy shoulders after they were operated on when he was still a teenager. Whatever the reason, he rarely marks, spoils or crashes a pack. He always stays down and tries to crumb the ball.

I think he has improved the defensive side of his game since crossing to Carlton from WA, although he is still mainly an attacking player

He seems like a fairly quiet guy and lets his actions speak for themselves. Self motivated and determined, he'll often rise to the occasion when his team needs him the most.

Juddy is this decade's version of Robert Harvey. Their attributes are very similar.

 

[hawks_time]

The Brownlow has become a 2 year medal.

Ablett needed to dominate for 2 years.
Judd has dominated for many many years.
Buckley needed to dominate for years.

The list goes on.

And yet Cooney...

 

[Hawkamania!]

Re: Chris Judda$

He's not even the best midfielder at Carlton, Murphy is their best mid. Still is more of a seagull type midfielder relying on others to help feed the ball out to where he is. Very good fitness and bursts of speed masks his deficiencies elsewhere such as defensive game, poor mark overhead and his disposal efficiency isn't that flash. I'm happy to have him out on the field whenever we play Carlton.

Overrated protected species best describes him at this stage.

 

[Big Kahuna Boot]

Re: Chris Judda$

He's not even the best midfielder at Carlton, Murphy is their best mid. Still is more of a seagull type midfielder relying on others to help feed the ball out to where he is. Very good fitness and bursts of speed masks his deficiencies elsewhere such as defensive game, poor mark overhead and his disposal efficiency isn't that flash. I'm happy to have him out on the field whenever we play Carlton.

Overrated protected species best describes him at this stage.

..seriously..?..

 

[Faz 2000]

Good stuff, Chewy. Pretty even-handed thoughts.

Hawkamania!, it's a wonder Carlton ever win ANY games with an awful awful midfield headed by Murphy and Judd, hey? Teams could do a lot worse than a Judd-Murphy 1-2 punch, and many teams do.

 

[Nostradumbass]

So, Chris Judd has no hips.

 

[T2B_]

Not it isn't. Kicking the ball on the skinny side to snap is a straight line kickers kick, no deviation of hips or swinging the leg across the body. He can't do that motion and thus needs to over work to pass a ball say at a 45 degree angle. And what he more often does is handball instead because he lacks the skill

You may have a point there (maybe not so much the skill part), but have you noticed the size of his rump lately?

It seems it's been really built up since he's been with us and I can only think it's to help protect his groins or something, but honestly I'm no expert.

 

[The Octopus]

Re: Chris Judda$

He's not even the best midfielder at Carlton, Murphy is their best mid. Still is more of a seagull type midfielder relying on others to help feed the ball out to where he is. Very good fitness and bursts of speed masks his deficiencies elsewhere such as defensive game, poor mark overhead and his disposal efficiency isn't that flash. I'm happy to have him out on the field whenever we play Carlton.

Overrated protected species best describes him at this stage.

Worst post on Judd I have ever read. He is the opposite of a seagull type. The king of hardball contested footy.