Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

[Ray Donovan]

3AW reporting Scott on verge of signing a 2 year extension. Once confirmed, end thread? Question posed now irrelevant.

Chris Scott coaching part 2

Not will they sign Chris Scott

 

[Sttew]

Chris Scott coaching part 2

Not will they sign Chris Scott

Yeah but the entire context is about whether his contract should be renewed

 

[Ray Donovan]

Yeah but the entire context is about whether his contract should be renewed

Doesn't seem to be

 

[catempire]

Doesn't seem to be

That was its genesis. It has meandered through various on and off-topic things since.

 

[Cadillac]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

 

[catempire]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

He's hardly the first to say it. It's being widely discussed, e.g. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...g/news-story/099748bb9e7727c7477c8755b2c189de

 

[Sttew]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

He's just saying if the interpretation doesn't change then teams have to adapt...bit like the kerfuffle over head high tackles that ultimately led to a rule interpretation change.

 

[ChookNorris]

Anyone still got any idea of a club that would have poached him had we waited till seasons end? Last 3 coaches to be extended before the season were Buckley, Hardwick and Lyon. Easy to see why they all pushed for it.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

And your coach is a hypocritical sook. So what.

 

[catempire]

Anyone still got any idea of a club that would have poached him had we waited till seasons end? Last 3 coaches to be extended before the season were Buckley, Hardwick and Lyon. Easy to see why they all pushed for it.

The risk of poaching isn't the only reason for a club to extend. The instability and uncertainty of having an unsigned coach in a year when you want to challenge for the flag is an unwelcome and unhelpful distraction. It comes down to whether the board thinks he is the right person for the job. If they do there is no point waiting. If they didn't, they'd sack him.

 

[Cadillac]

And your coach is a hypocritical sook. So what.

Haha how is he a hypocrite? He's twice the coach Chris is.

 

[Sttew]

He's twice the coach Chris is.

1 premiership each. If he wins the 2017 Cup come back and gloat he is twice the coach that Chris Scott is, but until then....

Edit: for the record Luke Beveridge 0% wins against Geelong

 

[catempire]

Haha how is he a hypocrite? He's twice the coach Chris is.

Just be forewarned that you are on the Geelong board here so while you're welcome to discuss things here you do need to retain at least a modicum of respect.

 

[romeohwho]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

Probably because what he says in this article is spot on? Eg the league do want the fast ball movement and are quite tolerant of incorrect hand balling-all the teams do it but doggies have perfected it-the speed with which they get it out of packs is extraordinary and something our team needs to learn to do better.

 

[ChookNorris]

The risk of poaching isn't the only reason for a club to extend. The instability and uncertainty of having an unsigned coach in a year when you want to challenge for the flag is an unwelcome and unhelpful distraction. It comes down to whether the board thinks he is the right person for the job. If they do there is no point waiting. If they didn't, they'd sack him.

Would be interesting to see if any coaches have won a flag in the last year of a contract. Maybe bomber in 07? One could argue it may create a sense of motivation just as easily as the argument for stability. Pressure makes diamonds after all.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Haha how is he a hypocrite? He's twice the coach Chris is.

Labelling the questioning of umpires a disgrace, then doing it himself a few weeks later.

Having a dig at the Suns for poaching their fitness bloke during 2015, a year after he had whored himself to St Kilda and signed a director role in July while still an assistant at the hawks.

That a few off the top of my head. Sounds sooky and hypocritical to me.

They've each got one premiership to their name, and Scott has the highest winning percentage of any current coach.

 

[catempire]

Would be interesting to see if any coaches have won a flag in the last year of a contract. Maybe bomber in 07? One could argue it may create a sense of motivation just as easily as the argument for stability. Pressure makes diamonds after all.

The school of thought is that it's the wrong type of pressure. If it starts to look like things aren't going to plan, players will start thinking about what's coming next year, playing selfishly and potentially talking to other clubs with stable coaching arrangements about moving.

 

[barmy44]

Would be interesting to see if any coaches have won a flag in the last year of a contract. Maybe bomber in 07? One could argue it may create a sense of motivation just as easily as the argument for stability. Pressure makes diamonds after all.

chris scott isnt carbon though, he isnt at an approximate depth of 150kms in the earths mantle, and he doesnt have the 1 to 3 billion years to wait... its a nice little saying and all, but pressure can do lots of things, and a 'diamond' isnt always the end result.

id say in a sporting context, pressure causes blown opportunities at least as often as 'diamonds'.

 

[barmy44]

And your coach is a hypocritical sook. So what.

Haha how is he a hypocrite? He's twice the coach Chris is.

do we really need the petty 'our guy is twice yours!' stuff?

it smacks of 'my dad could beat up your dad', and as, i assume, adults, perhaps we could rise above?

beveridge does strike me as an excellent coach, though... but to be honest, i know next to nothing of what goes on in a coaches box so its all guess work.

also, i personally couldnt care less what someone says about my team or players. everyones got an opinion. you disagree with scotts comments and assessment? all good, but it shouldnt rattle your cage that much. its just an opinion.

 

[Bobby_]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/chr...t/news-story/1800397e1dee79a503139a7eb298a88b

Other than being a petulant child, anyone know why Scott would feel the need to go on record and say this? Tall poppy syndrome at its absolute finest. Have nothing but respect for your footy club and past players. But your coach is nothing but an arrogant sook.

Pretty poor words by Scott.
Really not sure the reasoning behind it. It is not like the Bulldogs won't correct mistakes and actually make improvements in that area. Maybe if it was a team full of scrubs who have a batch of ordinary midfielders then it would bring them down a bit.

I suspect there is some bad blood between these two stemming from somewhere.
The last thing we need is to give the Western Bulldogs even more ammunition heading into 2017. They already know our club has embarrassed them in recent times, Scott should have shut his mouth and concentrated on his own teams inability to handle the footy in pressure moments instead.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Pretty poor words by Scott.
Really not sure the reasoning behind it. It is not like the Bulldogs won't correct mistakes and actually make improvements in that area. Maybe if it was a team full of scrubs who have a batch of ordinary midfielders then it would bring them down a bit.

I suspect there is some bad blood between these two stemming from somewhere.
The last thing we need is to give the Western Bulldogs even more ammunition heading into 2017. They already know our club has embarrassed them in recent times, Scott should have shut his mouth and concentrated on his own teams inability to handle the footy in pressure moments instead.

okay then..

He's hardly the first to say it. It's being widely discussed, e.g. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...g/news-story/099748bb9e7727c7477c8755b2c189de

Oh, carry on then. It's not just a case of Scott sooking...

 

[BlightysCats]

3AW reporting Scott on verge of signing a 2 year extension. Once confirmed, end thread? Question posed now irrelevant.

Caro said on Footy Classified that the termination clause is proving a point of contention with Scott's manager - gave me some hope the club might actually be finally putting pressure on Scott to succeed.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

do we really need the petty 'our guy is twice yours!' stuff?

it smacks of 'my dad could beat up your dad', and as, i assume, adults, perhaps we could rise above?

beveridge does strike me as an excellent coach, though... but to be honest, i know next to nothing of what goes on in a coaches box so its all guess work.

also, i personally couldnt care less what someone says about my team or players. everyones got an opinion. you disagree with scotts comments and assessment? all good, but it shouldnt rattle your cage that much. its just an opinion.

Well I just think that if you're going to come onto another teams board and make a claim, then you make sure your coach is squeaky clean in regards to those traits you're questioning..

 

[Partridge]

do we really need the petty 'our guy is twice yours!' stuff?

it smacks of 'my dad could beat up your dad', and as, i assume, adults, perhaps we could rise above?

beveridge does strike me as an excellent coach, though... but to be honest, i know next to nothing of what goes on in a coaches box so its all guess work.

also, i personally couldnt care less what someone says about my team or players. everyones got an opinion. you disagree with scotts comments and assessment? all good, but it shouldnt rattle your cage that much. its just an opinion.

Well said.

I think above all of Beveridge's achievements, his ability to get the team motivated to an incredible degree last year was more important than anything. I'd equate it with Geelong in 2007 and Collingwood in 2010, where for whatever reason the entire side was as really working as one. Must be an amazing feeling being at the helm. No wonder it's not that easy to do.

 

[00VicWard001]

Pretty poor words by Scott.
Really not sure the reasoning behind it. It is not like the Bulldogs won't correct mistakes and actually make improvements in that area. Maybe if it was a team full of scrubs who have a batch of ordinary midfielders then it would bring them down a bit.

I suspect there is some bad blood between these two stemming from somewhere.
The last thing we need is to give the Western Bulldogs even more ammunition heading into 2017. They already know our club has embarrassed them in recent times, Scott should have shut his mouth and concentrated on his own teams inability to handle the footy in pressure moments instead.

I actually see it another way. It's a clear warning to the Doggies as well. I think the ammunition is there for a few clubs to really test the premiers to see if they just had a golden patch at the right time, OR, whether they are the real deal.

There was a clear pointed respect towards the Hawks dominance. They backed it up and demonstrated how much of a champion team they were. Despite our hot games, I think both clubs prefer there to be a status quo of premierships and top teams. It's up to teams like Geelong and Hawthorn to let the other Victorian teams know who is boss, and it's up to the Swans to let GWS know.

There has been nothing better (for the cats and hawks) than regularly bullying other teams in Victoria. Every now and then there is a slip, but sure as s#it, you can predict the Hawks or Cats to give Richmond, Carlton, Melbourne, WB and Saints a belting and put them back in their place. Mental dominance is a huge factor in going for premierships.

Now the Dogs have recently cocooned themselves from being dominated in that facet of the game. And they have given themselves significant credibility by winning a premiership. Other teams such as Melbourne and the Saints have improved rapidly and are seriously competitive. This does put pressure on the Cats and Hawks to continue what they've been doing for a while. These two teams are ruthless and have ruthless coaches and cultures. They eek out every advantage they can - from building state of the art facilities to complaining when they've lost (i.e. sour grapes). In a lot of ways, the Cats and the Hawks are the bad guys of the comp, and teams like the Saints and Dogs are the underdog good guys with likeable humble coaches and players.

We've got Selwood who has his reputation as a ducker, and also as someone who publicly stated that we were the better team in that 2013 prelim against the Hawks, and Hodge who just takes opposition players out. Clarkson and Scott were nasty players as well and have a very healthy dose of arrogance.

I personally like our place in the pantheon. I like the fact that we're Vader to a lot of other teams and supporters.



Now, adding to this...

For a few years, we had a couple of advantages based on umpires rule interpretations. Third Man up and head high tackles created by shrugging.

Now those have been heavily policed or had rule changes, clearly attacking our advantage. The Hawks had the same thing with the rushed behind rule. Why shouldn't the Dogs have their clear advantage questioned, even if they are the darling underdogs? Especially since it seems like they are doing something that is clearly NOT a traditional handball.

If the AFL Umpiring department and rules committee are going to let the dogs do it, then other teams are allowed to do it as well. Scott is doing the right thing by clearly signalling the other teams intent over this season. It's up to the AFL to be impartial about their rules OR be seen as blatantly biased. End of story.