Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

[hbk_aus]

I absolutely accept his 2011 flag and have always given him the full credit he completely deserves for it.

I would most definitely be wrong if he delivers another flag - deliriously so - but right now I'm still unconvinced. Hope it comes back to haunt me.

I am the definition of "unconvinced" about him. I can find several positives about him and what he has done, and I also have several concerns. But given the transition period he has had to go through since he has been here, I am willing to see what he can do now that the majority of this list are "his players". 2017 is a big year for him.

 

[JumpyHolden]

To be honest with you I'd much prefer my coach rocking a mullet and getting the absolute best out of his players, then have a coach like Chris carrying on like a toddler throwing a tantrum in the coaches box, and have no ability to develop any young players. I'm also pretty confident that when Murphy and Matty Boyd retire at the end of the year that Bevo will be at their retirement presser.

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Baited or not Tony you're right with your first two points on Scott the third i'm not sure on so won't comment on it, watching him chuck tantrums as he does is embarrassing to say the least and his development of players hardly exists, it's something that's been debated on here for ages.

Scott just lacks something as a coach, come and visit this board on match days and you'll see just how many of our pro Scott supporters actually question his lack of coaching during games only to pop back up during the week to do an about face and rubbish the anti pro posters pointing out he won the GF in 2011 and look at his record, except the realists know that if he hadn't of inherited such an amazing side the GF or record wouldn't have been possible.

Worst thing is some of us have to hear it until the end of 2019 now.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Ha, ha you think they were the core of Hawthorns playing group? Simpkin was nothing. We have Menegola, Dangerfield, S. Selwood, Smith, Stanley, 2E all running through the middle - that's a core of a team.

So Menegola is the core of our team, despite playing 8 games in his career, but Simpkin was nothing despite playing 14 games in the premiership year alone.

Anorther contradiction from you.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

The difference is Hawthorn already had a strong core group of players that had been drafted grown and developed together who were all A graders or close to it, so were using trades to top off the list, we however had nothing except Selwood and Hawkins and are trying to build up the core of our team with traded in mercenaries, it's never worked and never will. Scott has developed absolutely nobody to be even close to an A grade player in the last 6 years and it's an indictment on him and the club, in terms of elite performance our talent under 25 at the club apart from Menegola is almost non existent.

We certainly are heading for a cliff even if Cocky and Zuthrie magically buck the overwhelming trend at Geelong and develop to their potential it still won't give us enough top quality players to be even mildly competitive.

Ah, Menegola is 25. Wrong again.

 

[year of the cat]

The difference is Hawthorn already had a strong core group of players that had been drafted grown and developed together who were all A graders or close to it, so were using trades to top off the list, we however had nothing except Selwood and Hawkins and are trying to build up the core of our team with traded in mercenaries, it's never worked and never will. Scott has developed absolutely nobody to be even close to an A grade player in the last 6 years and it's an indictment on him and the club, in terms of elite performance our talent under 25 at the club apart from Menegola is almost non existent.

We certainly are heading for a cliff even if Cocky and Zuthrie magically buck the overwhelming trend at Geelong and develop to their potential it still won't give us enough top quality players to be even mildly competitive.

I'd agree that Hawthorn had a more complete list than us when they brought their players in. After all we'd won our three flags by the time we brought Rivers in whereas Hawthorn, aside from 2008, were arguably a little behind us in their "premiership window" so the recruiting suited them far better as a means of topping up. We were effectively trying to swim against the tide when I think we should have been realistic with our immediate expectations. Been prepared to drop a bit and preserve our picks.

With regard to development I agree. Guthrie has been decent I think but aside from him the rest have just flat lined or failed to perform consistently. Duncan looked like he could be anything a couple of years back. He still could. But he's been largely disappointing. The problem is that we've made our job even more difficult by trading away our high picks, thereby relying on non top tier juniors to exceed development expectations.

 

[RedVest4]

Still can't believe this, he's a poor coach and isn't going anywhere this year, why not just wait and see if we can win a couple finals...

 

[Cadillac]

Baited or not Tony you're right with your first two points on Scott the third i'm not sure on so won't comment on it, watching him chuck tantrums as he does is embarrassing to say the least and his development of players hardly exists, it's something that's been debated on here for ages.

Scott just lacks something as a coach, come and visit this board on match days and you'll see just how many of our pro Scott supporters actually question his lack of coaching during games only to pop back up during the week to do an about face and rubbish the anti pro posters pointing out he won the GF in 2011 and look at his record, except the realists know that if he hadn't of inherited such an amazing side the GF or record wouldn't have been possible.

Worst thing is some of us have to hear it until the end of 2019 now.

Yeah, I do understand where you're coming from here. I've also heard from a couple of sources at the dogs that Joel Corey has said that he won't return back to the cats until Scott is gone. I found that pretty interesting. Particularly considering he coached Joel to a premiership.

 

[BlightysCats]

So Menegola is the core of our team, despite playing 8 games in his career, but Simpkin was nothing despite playing 14 games in the premiership year alone.

Anorther contradiction from you.

Menegola's stats show he's in the core of our team, statistically he's our best player 25 or under by a country mile - hence his contribution makes up the core of our team, far more than Simpkins did for Hawthorn.

 

[BlightysCats]

Ah, Menegola is 25. Wrong again.

Ok then we have no players close to elite status under 25 then - Scott's great!

 

[BlightysCats]

Yeah, I do understand where you're coming from here. I've also heard from a couple of sources at the dogs that Joel Corey has said that he won't return back to the cats until Scott is gone. I found that pretty interesting. Particularly considering he coached Joel to a premiership.

Really? Amazing! Doesn't surprise me though Joel seems like the antithesis of Scott, considered, humble, emotionally intelligent, quiet, and hates the press. Oh and he's actually good tactically.

 

[romeohwho]

Yeah, I do understand where you're coming from here. I've also heard from a couple of sources at the dogs that Joel Corey has said that he won't return back to the cats until Scott is gone. I found that pretty interesting. Particularly considering he coached Joel to a premiership.

Lol.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Really? Amazing! Doesn't surprise me though Joel seems like the antithesis of Scott, considered, humble, emotionally intelligent, quiet, and hates the press. Oh and he's actually good tactically.

You'd think Coreys considered, humble approach and superior emotional intelligence, as well as good tactical knowledge of geelong would mean the dogs wouldn't lose twice to geelong would you?

I've also learnt that people who brag about their 'sources' are generally full of shit.

 

[bloodygoose]

Aaaaw c'mon Blighty, I can't wait to hear you congratulate Chris on his (and our) good news as well as comments on the club's non-"antiquated" list management strategy. Watch the video on the Cats' website.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

You'd think Coreys considered, humble approach and superior emotional intelligence, as well as good tactical knowledge of geelong would mean the dogs wouldn't lose twice to geelong would you?

I've also learnt that people who brag about their 'sources' are generally full of shit.

They won four finals in a row to win a flag. Do you really think they care about two H&A games?

Do you think those games make Scott a better coach, given Scott's side, once again, pissed its pants and flailed about like an infant in finals?

 

[Cadillac]

You'd think Coreys considered, humble approach and superior emotional intelligence, as well as good tactical knowledge of geelong would mean the dogs wouldn't lose twice to geelong would you?

I've also learnt that people who brag about their 'sources' are generally full of shit.

I wouldn't say I was bragging about a source. There's also a dogs poster on our board in the know who's said the same thing.

 

[romeohwho]

I wouldn't say I was bragging about a source. There's also a dogs poster on our board in the know who's said the same thing.

My source tells me Bontampelli is keen to leave the dogs and come to Geelong. He feels Geeelong's list is ideally placed to learn the Footscray flick pass.

 

[RedVest4]

I wouldn't say I was bragging about a source. There's also a dogs poster on our board in the know who's said the same thing.

Sounds pretty truthful to me... can tell he has a poor relationship with a lot of the older players, no exit interview with Enright and Bartel - pathetic

 

[Danger!Selwood]

They won four finals in a row to win a flag. Do you really think they care about two H&A games?

Do you think those games make Scott a better coach, given Scott's side, once again, pissed its pants and flailed about like an infant in finals?

Beat the team who had won the past three grand finals, then got beaten by the only team who managed to beat us convincingly through out the year, who are a great club with a great list.

There's a couple of you on this forum who believe that winning finals and premierships are easy, especially if you follow the magical strategy(yet it can't be explained without contradictions galore). It's a hard business and only one team can win.

I can't believe that with the attitude you and others have towards Geelong that you get any enjoyment out of going to or watching the footy, and for that I feel sorry for you all.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Sounds pretty truthful to me... can tell he has a poor relationship with a lot of the older players, no exit interview with Enright and Bartel - pathetic

So why is Enright his assistant coach?

And why would you have an exit interview with someone who has decided to retire?

 

[00VicWard001]

I'm not a member this year for the first time in ages, moving to Saigon soon just to get away from the putrid smell of Scott's coaching in order to arrive at the putrid smell of the underdeveloped sewerage systems of Saigon.

We all end up where we are meant to be.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The majority of fans didn't want Bomber gone in 2006, the majority of fans do want at the very least the season to be played out before re-signing Scott.

There was a massive outcry for his head, cook and co almost sacked him, only saved by the findings of an internal review. Not even 1/20th of the outcry wanting Scott sacked, not hardly a whimper anywhere of this pressure on him, where as Thompson had his head firmly on a chopping block and was about to be sliced. Not even on the same planet the two scenarios. Thompson would have definitely been sacked by the fans after 06

 

[cynical]

f me 3 years (is it 2 or 3?)

he really has fooled the club

 

[00VicWard001]

crazy is a better example as he only listens to himself speak and thinks everything he says is the truth.

Crazy is Han Solo through and through.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So why is Enright his assistant coach?

And why would you have an exit interview with someone who has decided to retire?

Let's also be realistic and not stupid. He was given the very tough job of exiting the champion side as he came in as part of his job, a lot of them didn't want to retire yet, but he had to make the correct and tough calls. This is obviously going to piss a lot of the players off. It's a brutal business, so people can stop this dillusional senior player relationship nonsense. He did what was needed

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So why is Enright his assistant coach?

And why would you have an exit interview with someone who has decided to retire?

To tell him the finer points of coach speak 101 and how to say a lot of things but ultimately say nothing meaningful.