Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part II [NEW POLL ADDED]

[GTOA]

They don't know, they're completely compromised as to whether he's doing a good job considering they're mates with him and we have a CEO and head of football department who have never actually sacked a coach. If we got an independent review of Scott I think it'd give us a far better indication of whether he was doing a good job or not.

And if an independent review found that Chris Scott was the right man to coach Geelong, how would you discredit them, because they don't agree with your assessment?

 

[David the Cat]

GTOA...the level of abuse you're directing at a fellow poster is reaching critical mass. I suggest to you that it won't be tolerated much longer.

Cut the abuse now and keep the discussion on football matters only.

 

[Scottland2007]

Maybe he told Penn he talks

I imagine that's how it works. Someone from the coaching staff walks up "excuse me Mr Bontompelli, Joel wants to discuss your work in the midfield..... Yeh, Penn's on the phone from the states to tell you".....

 

[00VicWard001]

You do understand the concept of the internet yeah?

No, not quite. Could you explain it to me?

 

[00VicWard001]

In recent years we've seen Hinkley, Pyke, Roos, Bolton, Beveridge, Simpson, and now this year we'll see Fagan and most likely Goodwin all come in and immediately improve their respective clubs - but yeah we shouldn't change our coach.

Doesn't matter though there's nothing we can do about it now, we'll just get to sit back smugly as we continue to fail and say I told you so to the Scott tragics till hopefully they finally come around.

Er, if by using the word 'improve' you mean languish below Geelong and in some cases compete for a wooden spoon, then yes, I agree with you. I think you need to look up the definition of fail. Geelong are constantly improving and ending up continually challenging for premierships under Scott. Something Bolton, Hinkley, Goodwin, Roos and Pyke would dream of doing. Beveridge needs to back it up.

Do you deliberately use examples that prove the point opposing yours, or is it accidental?

 

[00VicWard001]

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The thing is I actually did predict it before 2014, here's a facebook post of mine from last year just prior to the GF.

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this is not proof. Anything can be doctored. prove it by showing us your Western Bulldogs 2016 Premiership tattoo.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Not quite yet, I actually feel sorry more for you guys because you think he'll do a good job and we'll have success - I'll just have to pity you all when his three years is up and the torment of reality under Scott finally hits you three years too late.

Crap you've dribbled the last day or 2

1- giants are going to win flag after flag so we should be trading away Hawkins and selwood now to do a bomber thompson rebuild, which you never explained to me what it was.
2- then saying melb(haven't yet made finals), saints(also yet to make finals)and dogs have all done 'proper rebuilds' and will be successful. Yet these rebuilds are also timed to coincide with gws winning flag after flag.
3- you keep sprouting the mercenary route saying we have 7 and can't be in the mix, yet saints (in your opinion) have rebuilt properly and have 12 mercenaries!
4- then you changed the goalposts again and said that you meant 3 midfield mercenaries, and there wouldn't be a team that won a flag with 3 or more. Hawthorn in 2013 had Hale, Burgoyne and Simpkin.

Yesterday was a fun day, but I'm going to ignore you now because it's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about, and quite frankly you're negative and very very predictable. Adios

 

[Partridge]

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this is not proof. Anything can be doctored. prove it by showing us your Western Bulldogs 2016 Premiership tattoo.

It's not needed anyway. BC was tipping the Dogs in September on here at least before the Hawthorn final.

 

[catempire]

It's not needed anyway. BC was tipping the Dogs in September on here at least before the Hawthorn final.

The old broken clock, right twice a day.

 

[BlightysCats]

And if an independent review found that Chris Scott was the right man to coach Geelong, how would you discredit them, because they don't agree with your assessment?

An independant review of Scott even if it did somehow find he was doing a good job would at least point out for us all where he could improve and what criteria he has to meet to continue being a good coach - which is a better insight than we get presently.

 

[BlightysCats]

The old broken clock, right twice a day.

Thanks for the credit catempire.

 

[BlightysCats]

Yesterday was a fun day, but I'm going to ignore you now because it's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about, and quite frankly you're negative and very very predictable. Adios

I'm shattered.

 

[BlightysCats]

Er, if by using the word 'improve' you mean languish below Geelong and in some cases compete for a wooden spoon, then yes, I agree with you. I think you need to look up the definition of fail. Geelong are constantly improving and ending up continually challenging for premierships under Scott. Something Bolton, Hinkley, Goodwin, Roos and Pyke would dream of doing. Beveridge needs to back it up.

Do you deliberately use examples that prove the point opposing yours, or is it accidental?

By improve I mean do better than they did the year before under their previous coach, it's a fairly simple concept I hope you can get your head around it.

 

[Sttew]

An independant review of Scott even if it did somehow find he was doing a good job would at least point out for us all where he could improve and what criteria he has to meet to continue being a good coach - which is a better insight than we get presently.

This is probably happening. Do you have performance reviews at work (assuming you work)? If yes, are the outcomes shared with everyone, or do they remain confidential between you and your employer?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

An independant review of Scott even if it did somehow find he was doing a good job would at least point out for us all where he could improve and what criteria he has to meet to continue being a good coach - which is a better insight than we get presently.

I'd suggest the Club conducts a review of it's performance and sets new objectives annually , with regular monitoring and reporting throughout the year to the Board
If we trusted Cook to do the 2006 review which is widely regarded as the catalyst to our success from there then he's the man to oversee such matters IMHO

 

[BlightysCats]

This is probably happening. Do you have performance reviews at work (assuming you work)? If yes, are the outcomes shared with everyone, or do they remain confidential between you and your employer?

I'm talking about an independent review, not in house like performance reviews are at most companies.

 

[BlightysCats]

Id suggest the Club conducts a review of it's performance and sets new objectives annually , with regular monitoring and reporting throughout the year to the Board
If we trusted Cook to do the 2006 review which is widely regarded as the catalyst to our success from there then he's the man to oversee such matters IMHO

I know the club would do that, but we require an outside independant review free of Cooks influence. In the book 'Comeback' Button talks about how some people down at the club think Cook's been there too long, perhaps an independent review could shed light on both Cooks and subsequently Scott's competence in their respective roles.

 

[Sttew]

I know the club would do that, but we require an outside independant review free of Cooks influence. In the book 'Comeback' Button talks about how some people down at the club think Cook's been there too long, perhaps an independent review could shed light on both Cooks and subsequently Scott's competence in their respective roles.

No doubt the same 'people' who thought Bomber had run his race in 2006?

You will NEVER please everyone in an organisation all the time, and the minute you start trying to appease everyone is when you lose sight of the bigger picture

 

[BlightysCats]

No doubt the same 'people' who thought Bomber had run his race in 2006?

You will NEVER please everyone in an organisation all the time, and the minute you start trying to appease everyone is when you lose sight of the bigger picture

I don't think that should so easily be assumed.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Er, if by using the word 'improve' you mean languish below Geelong and in some cases compete for a wooden spoon, then yes, I agree with you. I think you need to look up the definition of fail. Geelong are constantly improving and ending up continually challenging for premierships under Scott. Something Bolton, Hinkley, Goodwin, Roos and Pyke would dream of doing. Beveridge needs to back it up.

Do you deliberately use examples that prove the point opposing yours, or is it accidental?

Hinkley took port from bottom 4 to a prelim in 2 years.

Bolton took over Carlton a bottom two side in a drastic rebuild and the list is a shambles.

Paul roos is a fantastic premiership coach and players love him. He took over a bottom 4 melbourne side.

Pyke has had 1 season in the seat and before the last 2 rounds were in top 4 I believe. Won a final finished 5th with a young extremely talented list.

And goodwin just took over literally has not officially started his assault as head coach.

And why does bevo need to back it up he just had one of the finest coaching performances I have seen and to deliver with the players he had availablr incredible that's a coaching premiership if I have ever seen one.

By the Chris Scott scenario that should buy him another 6 years unquestioned yeah? Seems fair to me. Just because coaches have a short shelf life and rarely in a premiership position to win when they get to the club good coaches rarely leave successful teams hense Scott resigning yeah?. They need time to build none of the above guys got handed a prelim side from the previous year a side that had been to 4x prelims or GF the previous 4 years. With 17 odd premiership players. That does not detract from Chris Scott at all it was a fantastic effort and a stolen flag in my eyes he did everything possible to help us get that win.

But expectations of what you are taking over list wise keep that in perspective. This is Chris Scotts time to prove how good he really is to all the fans now we does not have the list or the draft picks we have a solid mature side in the middle if he can elevate it to a prelim again I will tip my cap unquestionably to his reign. But if he finishes 8th and loses an elimination final same question will remain.

 

[BlightysCats]

Hinkley took port from bottom 4 to a prelim in 2 years.

Bolton took over Carlton a bottom two side in a drastic rebuild and the list is a shambles.

Paul roos is a fantastic premiership coach and players love him. He took over a bottom 4 melbourne side.

Pyke has had 1 season in the seat and before the last 2 rounds were in top 4 I believe. Won a final finished 5th with a young extremely talented list.

And goodwin just took over literally has not officially started his assault as head coach.

And why does bevo need to back it up he just had one of the finest coaching performances I have seen to deliver with the players he had incredible that's a coaching premiership if I have ever seen one.

By the Chris Scott scenario that should buy him another 6 years unquestioned yeah? Seems fair to me. Just because coaches have a short shelf life and rarely in a premiership position when they get to the club. They need time to build none of the above guys got handed a prelim side from the previous year a side that had been to 4x prelims or GF the previous years. With 17 odd premiership players. That does not detract from Chris Scott at all it was a fantastic effort and a stolen flag in my eyes he did everything possible to help us get that win.

But expectations of what you are taking over list wise keep that in perspective. This is Chris Scotts time to prove how good he really is to all the fans now we don't have the list or the draft picks we have a solid mature side in the middle if he can elevate it to a prelim again I will tip my cap unquestionably to his reign. But if he finishes 8th and loses an elimination final same question will remain.

My point was simple, we shouldn't be afraid to get a new coach. We won't be making a Prelim this year, we'll be fortunate to make the 8, we've recruited for the now and if we don't win a Prelim in the next 2 years it's been an abject failure by any reasonable persons estimation - personally I already think it's been a failure but for the more tolerant of Scott's nonsensical coaching on here we'll give it two years.

 

[BlightysCats]

Geelong are constantly improving and ending up continually challenging for premierships under Scott.

You have to make a Grand Final to realistically challenge for a premiership and we haven't made one in close to 6 years, you also have to win finals and we've only won a poultry two in that same timeframe, how anybody could say a team that's won two finals in 5 years is continually challenging for a premiership is beyond me! It completely escapes reason.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They recruited a few mainly key position players to top off their talented core, what was our comparable core? We had Selwood and Hawkins - that's it! They had Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge, Rioli, Roughhead, Bruest, Isaac Smith.

A few? They had 9 off the top of my head who where traded in from other clubs. A bit more than a few, that's half their field

 

[BlightysCats]

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this is not proof. Anything can be doctored. prove it by showing us your Western Bulldogs 2016 Premiership tattoo.

You don't have to believe it I expect most who despise me on here wont want to believe it but it's true, it's my post, and I was right.

Oh and I don't have a Western Bulldogs tattoo I just have the ability to see potential in players and teams before some others I suppose.

 

[BlightysCats]

A few? They had 9 off the top of my head who where traded in from other clubs. A bit more than a few, that's half their field

They recruited Gunston and Burgoyne well before the free agency period came in in 2012, then they used FA to recruit mainly to top off a great core of players - again name me our comparable core? I'm saying we shouldn't have taken the Hawthorn model of list management when our list was in no way comparable to theirs and we clearly needed a deeper more traditional rebuild.