List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

If we get Gibney with 8
Hopefully Hewitt with 12

I just want Sam Gilbey and Kaleb Smith as later picks

 

[Keys]

Assuming we end up with 8 and 12 :

1. Ashcroft (Brisbane)
2. Cadman (GWS) - assuming they don’t **** things up by forgetting to call Ashcroft. North should make this a requirement of trading pick 1
3. Wardlaw (North)
4. Sheezel (North)
5. Tsatas (Essendon) - need outside run
6. Hollands (Gold Coast) - keep his brother company
7. Clark (Hawthorn) won’t pass on a Selwood clone after passing on the original for Mitch Thorp
8. Busslinger (Geelong) - Eventual Stewart replacement
9. Ginbey (West Coast) overlooking Humphrey, McKenzie and Phillipou which won’t be popular but looking likely
10. Mackenzie (St Kilda) getting their academy kid after all
11. Humphrey, Phillipou or Hotton (Carlton) I don’t know or care enough about their list to know who they take here - guess Humphrey
12. One of the three Carlton skip but maybe Hayes if they want a KPD (Bulldogs) - guess Phillipou to replace Dunkley
13. At least one of the trio above (Hotton if I’ve guessed right above) or Hewett (West Coast) unpopular again but see us taking Hewett who I think has played below his potential in 2022
14. Davey (Essendon) matching a bid by Melbourne looking to replace Bedford and/or insurance if they lose Pickett next year
15. Konstanty (Melbourne) - next best small forward
16. Jefferson (Sydney) - post Buddy and Reid they need a KPF to complement McDonald
17. Hayes (GWS) - if not taken by Bulldogs. Need a partner for Taylor post Davis. Maybe which of Hotton or Hewett we didn’t take
18. Fletcher (Brisbane) matching a bid from Collingwood cos they’re campaigners that hate Brisbane
19. Hotton (Collingwood) if he’s there otherwise Hustwaite. Maybe Hewett if we took Hotton
20. Weddle (Sydney) - their midfield is in good shape and Weddle could replace Rampe
21. Hewett (West Coast) - I’m drunk and per my post in the other thread we get 18 (before F/S selections). Also we take Hotton at 13, Collingwood take Hustwaite at 19 so Hewett slides to us. If GWS still have this pick, they probably take Hewett but maybe take a punt on George

And Round 1 is done and dusted and I’m getting lost on who might take who now

22. Keeler (GWS) - Hewett or George but maybe Keeler since their KPF stocks aren’t great
23. Hewett (West Coast) - so we didn’t get 18 off GWS who took George then Keeler leaving Hewett.

Could be Hustwaite here, or Keeler, or George but to be honest it’s all getting far too murky

Depending what happens with the mega trade we have one pick (27 after F/S - Brisbane lose 24 and Essendon 25 if bids have come as predicted above) and another perhaps at 32 if we don’t get 18 off GWS

At 27 I’d like us to take Darcy Jones if he’s there. If not, I’m guessing but Ed Allen or Charlie Clarke have appeal

Not sure at 32, I don’t know enough

Best case scenario, allowing for an unpopular selection with 8 and us getting 18 via GWS in the mega trade

Ginbey, Hotton, Hewett, Keeler, Jones

Best case scenario if we don’t get 18

Ginbey, Hotton, Hewett, Jones, ????

PS : Don’t drink and post on a subject you know SFA about

 

[Obeanie1]

Mine would be, in order of preference:
Pick 8: McKenzie, Humphrey, Phillipou
Pick 12: Ginbey, Hollands, Hewett

With Ginbey posting very good results at combine in sprint and endurance, plus his known height + frame, and the fact his rate of improvement is quite high, he increasingly seems a good prospect. The only concern for me is he doesn't get massive numbers

Assuming we can get decent value out of Rioli, I'm coming around to the 2 for 8 and 12 trade.

If we land McKenzie/Humphrey plus Ginbey then our stoppage game suddenly looks a lot better - we've got either skills and pace and accumulation (McK) or power and pace and fwd/mid versatility (Humphrey) together with the power and pace of Ginbey.

Sounds a bit like Humphrey won't be there at 8 (9) though, and Ginbey perhaps not at 12. I haven't watched any of his vision, but Humphrey sounds very Petracca-esque.

Ginbey into the top 10 maybe one of the bolters being mentioned.

 

[Obeanie1]

If we get Gibney with 8
Hopefully Hewitt with 12

I just want Sam Gilbey and Kaleb Smith as later picks

Have yet to see Smith mentioned anywhere in phantoms or by oppo posters.

Latepick or rookie.

 

[ronpingwins]

Hearing he was pretty blunt with West Coast, as was Wardlaw.

Post on the Giants board re Sheezel and Wardlaw being go home factors. Makes sense that we’ve been big on Cadman and now want out when he’s going pick 1. I reckon we’ll still have Vic Country kids in the mix, given Duffield linking us to Jhye Clark a couple of weeks ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if we take Humphrey if available.

 

[shooshka]

Post on the Giants board re Sheezel and Wardlaw being go home factors. Makes sense that we’ve been big on Cadman and now want out when he’s going pick 1. I reckon we’ll still have Vic Country kids in the mix, given Duffield linking us to Jhye Clark a couple of weeks ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if we take Humphrey if available.

So the AFL have said they are going to sit in on all trades and/or have a conversation with the included clubs prior to ratifying the trade.

This is so they can ensure no draft tampering is going on - i.e. no back-of-house deals so clubs don't bid on prospects etc....



I would have thought if players are implying they have significant go-home-factor in interviews the AFL should be VERY interested in that. It is worse than the above - as bidding really only affects a small number of clubs but draftees dictating their location can impact across the board.

 

[Monocle]

I would have thought if players are implying they have significant go-home-factor in interviews the AFL should be VERY interested in that. It is worse than the above - as bidding really only affects a small number of clubs but draftees dictating their location can impact across the board.

Why so, they did nothing when Bailey Smith and Archie Perkins did exactly that in the last few years or so.

On stuff like this the AFL are like a toothless tiger.

I don't disagree wit you that the AFL "SHOULD" be concerned, but you need to remember it's the vAFL.

 

[shooshka]

Why so, they did nothing when Bailey Smith and Archie Perkins did exactly that in the last few years or so.

On stuff like this the AFL are like a toothless tiger.

I don't disagree wit you that the AFL "SHOULD" be concerned, but you need to remember it's the vAFL.

Definitely the reason I said should instead of would.

But in reality it is up to clubs like ours to make some noise on this. We really haven't cared in the last 10 years or so because we've had picks in the 10-18 range at best. Around there drafts generally even up - so you're not missing those one or two elite talents.

Then start encouraging WA kids to do it, and speak to Adelaide and get them to start having SA kids do it.... then it will of course be a massive industry problem

And we should back GC and GWS's claims for 4-year draftee contracts.


We don't have retention issues - but at least part of that is clearly that we avoid the kids who we know are just going to ask to leave. (mostly it is culture, but a little bit is avoiding the issue for sure).

 

[CountryLad]

So the AFL have said they are going to sit in on all trades and/or have a conversation with the included clubs prior to ratifying the trade.

This is so they can ensure no draft tampering is going on - i.e. no back-of-house deals so clubs don't bid on prospects etc....



I would have thought if players are implying they have significant go-home-factor in interviews the AFL should be VERY interested in that. It is worse than the above - as bidding really only affects a small number of clubs but draftees dictating their location can impact across the board.

In some ways it’s best that they be honest or you end up in a JHF, Bruhn or Jackson situation. Clubs that lose these players seem to be generally not getting enough compensation

 

[bh90210fan]

Having sooks who want to fly home to mummy at the first opportunity on your list only extends a rebuild. We’re better off in the long run playing it safe I reckon and taking on a few riskier ones once we’ve got our building blocks in place.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I rate hollands I’d take him at 9 if I was the Eagles but it’s a Phantom Draft and I think they are going local for what ever reason.
Where do you see Jefferson going then?
Who do the Dees take?

I had not put a huge thought into Melbourne as their hand will only emerge by Wednesday

Van Rooyen can play both ends but he is 2nd tall in either location

I believe the top 30 in this draft screams midfielder from the roof top. So when it is so strong with mids, why not top up! So if it’s a teens pick, they would do well getting a mid that can play another position.

Humphrey or Hotton or Hewett tick those boxes and would be around there at the Freo pick 13 (Humphrey more fed than mid)

I can also see them going Barnett but not the best draft to go ruck.

They would do well to have some genuine outside midfield speed.

 

[Cuzz09]

how come some people have us with pick 8 and 12 and some 9 and 13

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[AsterixTheGaul]

how come some people have us with pick 8 and 12 and some 9 and 13

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8 and 12 become 9 and 13 when lions take Ashcroft

 

[Cuzz09]

stupid lions

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[bzparkes]

If we get Gibney with 8

She's gotten on in years but was quite the catch back int he day.

 

[EagleEgo]

WA teen's dominant athleticism lights up draft combine - WA teen's dominant athleticism lights up draft combine

See if the draft combine tests results will affect the predicted draft preference.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

If true that Wardlaw and Sheezel have been blunt with WCE and GWS about not going there, I hope both clubs lodge formal complaints.

It's mind blowing how uneven and compromised the current draft/academy/trade/free agency/compo bullshit is.

 

[Chris_6678]

Mmmm with more and more kids pre-draft sooking about not wanting to play interstate is going to comprise the draft more and more.

 

[new breed]

Maybe we should have our own zones in WA as the draft is compromised .

 

[Cuzz09]

It's mind blowing how uneven and compromised the whole comp is.

there ya go

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[Ambrose Burnside]

So we've done a bit of risk management and decided that two middling talents is preferable to one elite talent (based on phantom drafts etc) because we're scared the elite talent will run home to Mummy?

We're cowards, and the players are sooks and I'm melting.

 

[Lazzas]

If true that Wardlaw and Sheezel have been blunt with WCE and GWS about not going there, I hope both clubs lodge formal complaints.

It's mind blowing how uneven and compromised the current draft/academy/trade/free agency/compo bullshit is.

Where is it reported these two have said this?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

You can see the impact of Covid and the lockdowns that will have impacted the minds of an 18 year old about leaving the nest. It was happening before but it feels greater now. My youngest is at Uni and a number of her friends who chose (in Nov 2019) to go to an interstate unit have done it tough. Being more permanent means young players know they need to knuckle down.

I am an advocate of extending the tenure.
1st Round - 4 years
2nd Round - 3 years
3rd and 4th rounds - 2 years
subsequent rounds - 1 year

Eliminate the senior/rookie lists
A club can pass in the 4th round if it does not see the player it wants to commit 2 years to
Provide a set of incentives in the 3rd and 4th years that pay more $$$ for those playing top football.
Make it possible for players to extend past their tenure so long as they do not get below minimums

And can we then use the term rookie for players in their first year.

Clubs will then naturally add more locals in the 3rd and subsequent rounds. With plentiful numbers coming through the northern academies, they will not be disadvantaged.

Also make it that a player moving interstate gets an additional $20k in year 1 and $10k in year 2. It allows the player to visit home more often. This payment would be outside the cap.

 

[CountryLad]

Pick 2. Or Pick 8 & 12.

Schache. Or Ah Chee & Curnow.
Taranto. Or Logue & Simpkin.
Brayshaw. Or Coffield & Fogarty.
Lukosius. Or Thomas & Butters.
Anderson. Or Serong & Pickett.
Thilthorpe. Or Cox & Bruhn.
*Callaghan. Or Amiss & Sinn.

 

[Avalor]

You can see the impact of Covid and the lockdowns that will have impacted the minds of an 18 year old about leaving the nest. It was happening before but it feels greater now. My youngest is at Uni and a number of her friends who chose (in Nov 2019) to go to an interstate unit have done it tough. Being more permanent means young players know they need to knuckle down.

I am an advocate of extending the tenure.
1st Round - 4 years
2nd Round - 3 years
3rd and 4th rounds - 2 years
subsequent rounds - 1 year

Eliminate the senior/rookie lists
A club can pass in the 4th round if it does not see the player it wants to commit 2 years to
Provide a set of incentives in the 3rd and 4th years that pay more $$$ for those playing top football.
Make it possible for players to extend past their tenure so long as they do not get below minimums

And can we then use the term rookie for players in their first year.

Clubs will then naturally add more locals in the 3rd and subsequent rounds. With plentiful numbers coming through the northern academies, they will not be disadvantaged.

Also make it that a player moving interstate gets an additional $20k in year 1 and $10k in year 2. It allows the player to visit home more often. This payment would be outside the cap.

A lot of sense in those ideas - I agree with most of it.