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Pick 2. Or Pick 8 & 12.

Schache. Or Ah Chee & Curnow.
Taranto. Or Logue & Simpkin.
Brayshaw. Or Coffield & Fogarty.
Lukosius. Or Thomas & Butters.
Anderson. Or Serong & Pickett.
Thilthorpe. Or Cox & Bruhn.
*Callaghan. Or Amiss & Sinn.

Brayshaw the only year that stands out so far supporting the don't split pick 2 arguement. With Fogarty looking like he is about to break out.

The talls always take longer to impress.
 

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Some really interesting combine results.
Obviously Ginbey has already been mentioned (4th in vertical jump, 8th in running jump, 7th in 20m sprints and 5th in 2km time trial).

Darcy Jones
I know that Darcy Jones has also been mentioned, but quite remarkable what he has achieved over the weekend.
First in agility of course (7.702 seconds), far faster than 2nd place.
Also first in vertical jump (75cm) and 5th in running jump (87cm). These results are astounding given his short statute.
He also came 5th (2.912 seconds) in the 20m sprint with the only test he didn't get top 10 on was the 2km time trial.
It cannot be understated how much more athletic and explosive he projects to be than his other 5 foot 9 inch (or sub-6 foot for that matter) counterparts.

Mattaes Phillipou
Some good results for Phillipou finishing equal 9th in the 2km time trial (6 minutes 25 seconds) and equal 5th (with Jones) in the running vertical jump (87cm). Was not suprised with his jumping, was suprised how well he ran the 2km.

Elijah Hewett
Everyone's favourite around here also seems to have tested well across the board.
Equal 4th in the vertical jump (70 cm) and 3rd in the agility (8.217 seconds).
Good to see as I always felt like Hewett's shortcoming might have been his athleticism, however, that does not appear to be the case.
Would be great to see what he ran the 2km time trial in.

A couple of others who performed well included Van Es (2nd in vertical jump, 1st in running jump and 4th in 20m sprints), Weddle (8th in vertical jump, 2nd in running vertical jump, 9th in 20m sprints and 4th in 2km time trial), Binns (2nd in agility and 3rd in 2km time trial) and Konstanty (7th in vertical jump and 8th in agility). I don't think these are necessarily players we're likely to consider (although maybe we select Weddle in the late 20s-early 30s if we think we need another future key defender, who knows).
 
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Serious questions, how often does combine results influence recruiters decision making over actual performance in games?

And how often does someone who did well at a combine have a better career than someone who performed better in U18 games?
Does the combine help or measure your kicking, ability to read the play, contested marking, etc?

I’m only guessing but I’ll say no.

Old mate who I can’t spell (Gruzeski I think it is) did more for himself by going back to help his mate across the line then whatever time he ended up getting.
 
Serious questions, how often does combine results influence recruiters decision making over actual performance in games?

And how often does someone who did well at a combine have a better career than someone who performed better in U18 games?
Not quite a direct answer but interestingly one Tom Barrass featured in the top 10 for agility in his draft year (as did Ben Brown) beating out players such as Josh Kelly, Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli, James Aish, Patrick Cripps, Zac Jones, Blake Acres, Lewis Taylor etc...
 
Does the combine help or measure your kicking, ability to read the play, contested marking, etc?

I’m only guessing but I’ll say no.

This is my thinking too.

Unsure how these results will see someone shoot into top 10 calculations (for example) if they weren't before.

Unless ol' pie man starts salivating over certain results and what they mean for MiDfIeLd PoTeNtIaL ... even if said kid has never actually played there.
 
This is my thinking too.

Unsure how these results will see someone shoot into top 10 calculations (for example) if they weren't before.

Unless ol' pie man starts salivating over certain results and what they mean for MiDfIeLd PoTeNtIaL ... even if said kid has never actually played there.
It shouldn't see players move too much on scout's/recruiter's lists, however, it should consolidate some things.
A player like Jones who had a question mark on him for his size, well, I'd wager that a few clubs would be prepared to take him despite his height due to the results he put up at the combine. I mean he'd already performed in the U18s and Colts level, there was really only one concern on him. Now you'd think he's very likely to go in the first two rounds.
 
Not quite a direct answer but interestingly one Tom Barrass featured in the top 10 for agility in his draft year (as did Ben Brown) beating out players such as Josh Kelly, Jack Billings, Marcus Bontempelli, James Aish, Patrick Cripps, Zac Jones, Blake Acres, Lewis Taylor etc...

So what you are saying is...

Tom Barrass to the middle?

Gotcha.
 

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So we've done a bit of risk management and decided that two middling talents is preferable to one elite talent (based on phantom drafts etc) because we're scared the elite talent will run home to Mummy?

We're cowards, and the players are sooks and I'm melting.

IMHO, the club never seemed to recover from Judd requesting a trade (and, to a lesser extent, Ebert). They've been gunshy on Melbourne talent ever since. The irony is that Judd scored a brownlow, helped deliver us a premiership (which could have been two) and then helped us secure the clubs greatest forward.

We should pick the best players available.
 
I think what the combine does help is with interviews although the recruiters do already have a fair idea who is leader, jokester, junior Rioli, etc

And measurements. Like in the NFL, colleges often inflate height as it doesn’t matter. I.e. someone listed as 6.0 is actually 5.10 as example.

Although I don’t think we’re allowed to do skinfolds anymore because you know, hurt feelings etc
 
Ehhh, Keeler is a weird prospect to me, there are moments when I watched him when I thought wow this kid is great and then he’d just completely fade out of games lol, I do agree there’s something to work with though, I’d still prefer George’s explosiveness however

I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on Munkara too, I’m a big fan of his raw talent, was excellent in the Academy game vs the Pies

Cowan and J Ryan are 2 more that intrigue me with 20/26
I find it strange how you can comment on Keeler as inconsistent and then mention you'd like to take Munkara.

Munkara has talent no doubt, but he can have games where he doesn't touch the ball. At worst Keeler can be quiet for 3 quarters but then have a big impact for the other quarter.
 
I find it strange how you can comment on Keeler as inconsistent and then mention you'd like to take Munkara.

Munkara has talent no doubt, but he can have games where he doesn't touch the ball. At worst Keeler can be quiet for 3 quarters but then have a big impact for the other quarter.

I’m very aware Munkara is inconsistent mate, I just like his raw talent and think he has traits you can not teach.
 
IMHO, the club never seemed to recover from Judd requesting a trade (and, to a lesser extent, Ebert). They've been gunshy on Melbourne talent ever since. The irony is that Judd scored a brownlow, helped deliver us a premiership (which could have been two) and then helped us secure the clubs greatest forward.

We should pick the best players available.

Huh

Duggan, Chesser, Brander, Gaff all drafted after Judd as first rounders?
 
Have yet to see Smith mentioned anywhere in phantoms or by oppo posters.

Latepick or rookie.

He is second to third round selection.
His results at the state combine this friday will determine where he ends up.
He is seriously talented and been greatly undervalued.
I know WCE have interviewed him a lot
 
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