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Speculation Clayton Oliver [UFA 2030]
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Never wanted him and thankful he's remaining at Melbourne.
You watch him deteriorate into a shadow of the player he was in his early 20's.
Cats will focus on Butters and Reid in the coming 12-18 months instead
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I think he got stuck at the Dees? A club he doesn't want to be at, whose CEO doesn't want him here?
Going to be fun watching your organisation under the blowtorch all season.
Hope he doesn't struggle.
How are the Cats getting Reid or Butters? Clubs will take the punt with those two and not let you pull the usual disgruntled player, low ball swifty.Never wanted him and thankful he's remaining at Melbourne.
You watch him deteriorate into a shadow of the player he was in his early 20's.
Cats will focus on Butters and Reid in the coming 12-18 months instead
Worse luck, you’re stuck with him. Bet he won’t play out the year
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Can breath a sigh of relief that didn't happen.
It'll be fascinating to see how he and Petracca go this year. There's enough talent on the Melbourne list to compete for a flag. But it looks like a huge risk of implosion too.
It'll be fascinating to see how he and Petracca go this year. There's enough talent on the Melbourne list to compete for a flag. But it looks like a huge risk of implosion too.
I see Oliver going one of 2 ways. Gets back in the right space with his wellbeing and fitness and gets back to somewhere near his best. In that scenario I’d say he stays at the Dees.
Other direction he goes off the rails or at least doesn’t get on top of his wellbeing and fitness and performs like this season. In that case clubs probably won’t want to touch him. On his contract he’ll be too difficult to move. Unless he renegotiates it. But will also depend on how the Dees go off field and if they can pull things together.
Other direction he goes off the rails or at least doesn’t get on top of his wellbeing and fitness and performs like this season. In that case clubs probably won’t want to touch him. On his contract he’ll be too difficult to move. Unless he renegotiates it. But will also depend on how the Dees go off field and if they can pull things together.
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I am sad we couldn't save his soul from the demons, now he's stuck in hell.
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So same time next year?
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The Chris Scott news proves my point. You shovel money to all your staff through third party deals. It’s obvious to anyone
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if he's clean and motivated, back to being the best mid in the comp. it's one or the other, imo. A massive pre-season is due, but we'll know based on the condition he arrives at on day 1 of pre-season.
He's mentally shot and his peers know it too.
He will still put up solid stats but he will be far from the player he was a couple of years ago.
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if he was mentally shot why were/are you guys frothing over getting him to your club?
You very well may be right. But I think it's far too premature. He's a champion of the game. And he's been one of the most professional and dedicated trainers for many years. You don't get to his level without being dedicated. He's not a Dane Swan sort of operator. He's definitely been going through some stuff but if he drops the 7 or 8kg that he needs to lose, then he's automatic starting AA midfielder.
Bailey Smith is a far bigger risk personally. But Oliver is on so much money so that makes it risky too.
If we were able to get him for what was reported (packet of chips) then even if he managed worse than this year's performances, he would still be our third best midfielder, ahead of Bowes & Atkins.
I see he's back to promoting alcohol consumption on Instagram
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lol. you're not going to get Oliver for a packet of chips. That's very naive. You were either going to be paying the majority of his expensive contract or paying up in draft picks. You gave up a first rounder for Bailey Smith and he carries the same amount of risk given his off field behaviours but has never come close to reaching the heights of Oliver so no idea where you got this 'packet of chips' idea.If we were able to get him for what was reported (packet of chips) then even if he managed worse than this year's performances, he would still be our third best midfielder, ahead of Bowes & Atkins.
I see he's back to promoting alcohol consumption on Instagram
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Not yet
Bailey Smith is 23 and a compulsive fitness fanatic. The ACL is a risk but in terms of potential, I think he has much more upside in the coming years than Oliver.
He's been a champion the past five years but he peaked early and now has to try and recapture form in a midfield which is fading away.
Opposition won't worry about him anymore.
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Bailey's dedication to fitness is miles better than Oliver's. He makes Oliver look like George Rose in comparison.
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Oliver has been one of the best trainers for many years. Don't let recency bias cloud your judgement.
You don't get the accolades and awards he's won without being incredibly dedicated.
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Oliver: 3 x AA's, 4 x Bnf's, 2 x AFL Coaches Awards.
Bailey Smith: Nothing.
Oliver has been a champion for 8 years, not 5. He won the BnF in his 2nd season. In his 2nd season, he averaged 29.9 touches, almost 7 tackles and 12 Brownlow votes. Oliver doesn't need people around him, not sure where you're pulling this from. He's one of the best contested players in the game, and has been for 8 years. He doesn't need others around him. It's like saying Gary Ablett won't do well at the Gold Coast. Totally foolish thing to say.
Oliver will still cop tags just like he did this season.
Bailey Smith will be 24 with a known history of off-field issues as well as mental health issues. He has always been dedicated to his fitness since he was probably 14 years old. Now coming off an acl.
This will go one of 2 ways. He'll return to his best and be worth 2 first rounders and you taking his entire salary of 1.3m per season or he'll average like he was this season and he'll be worth 1 first rounder.
There is risk. But we'll know as soon as he arrives at pre-season. If he is fit, he'll be a walk up AA. This time last year, he arrived to pre-season about 15kg overweight. He never recovered.
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you could be right. but then why would you want him? Like, if he doesnt perform, you wouldn't want him. If he does perform, he'll cost you multiple firsts and 1.3m. So either way, your statement falls through.
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His underperformance still does alright. Just that contract is so divorced from performance it may as well be a trump campaign speech
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