Coaches Under Pressure for 2011

[Morris Major]

Plenty of good sides out of the 8, your aging list, lack of depth just to name a few. Take Barry Hall's goals out of the equasion too and there wasn't really too many other major goalkickers.

To be fair the ageing sector of the list is balanced by some young blokes too, not to mention the retirements at the end of last season.

Eade is under heaps of pressure though, for one reason or another the team just hasn't accomplished anything yet. 3 prelim finals in a row is not the kind of 'record' we want to have. Of all the teams that have 'peaked' in the last 5 or so years we're the only ones to not have even reached a GF.

I think we an only really see what the Bulldogs can do once we see 5-10 games of season 2011.

 

[TedDougChris]

Plenty of good sides out of the 8, your aging list, lack of depth just to name a few. Take Barry Hall's goals out of the equasion too and there wasn't really too many other major goalkickers.

Ok. Our ageing list... Hudson and Hall....

Aker, Johnno, Eagle and possibly Hahn are all gone...

Strangely, you have an ageing list as well. Each year, each player on your list gets older...

Lack of depth - a proposed lineup from the Dogs board:

Originally posted by Chef - with slight modifications
FB Morris Lake Wood
HB Murphy Williams Gilbee
C Sherman Cross Griffen
HF Higgins Jones Giansiracusa
FF Grant Hall Veszpremi
R Hudson Boyd Cooney
IN Roughead Ward Picken
S Hargrave

Depth: Addison Reid Djerrkura Hill Hooper Minson Moles Stack Wallis Liberatore

Now, we have depth in some areas, but lack it in others. As do all clubs...

We certainly did have an over-reliance on Hall for goals last year. But a fit Higgins and another year for Grant will help. Gia was next best with 35-odd. Hill back to good form would be a big inclusion.

Now, every team will be striving to improve, so we may well slip back. But we still finished 4th, with a 20yr old 2nd ruckman, a 19 yr old CHF and a 21 yr old leading FF prospect. Add in the two F/S draftees and we do have a bit of young talent on the list...

 

[CarloLion]

Injuries and injury management say as much about the coaching and training staff as it does about the players themselves.

Some coaches wont allow players to play injured so they get themselves right. Others will let an injured player keep playing and they carry it all season. Presti pulling himself out of a grand final says a lot about player attitude to injury as much as some else playing anyway.

Thats true actually, and what a brave decision it was by Presti.

I think the main infuriating thing this year was how long Vossy kept playing J Brown when everybody could see him just getting worse and worse.
Im sure he would have learnt from that decision

 

[Slattery_20]

I think the main infuriating thing this year was how long Vossy kept playing J Brown when everybody could see him just getting worse and worse.
I'm sure he would have learnt from that decision

Appears it took until last Saturday to book him into surgery.
A solid 3 months since finals were ruled out.
I'm not so sure he (or rather, the club) has learnt anything.

 

[Deefolt]

I would have thought that Bailey is under huge pressure.

Entering his fourth year without a finals appearance, with 123 no 1 picks, no debt, 11 of their first 12 games in Victoria this year(can you believe that?) and many of the football world saying they have such a gun young list.

Needs to make the finals at least in his fourth year and the club entering the fourth year of a rebuild.

Been given a dream run by the media after their early home wins against crows and tigers

The brisbane won helped us, the way we performed against pies and your mob helped. The way our football style was helped.

We have 2 top 1 picks. You guys have at least 1 that I know of.

Stop picking on the dees.

Having said that Bailey will indeed be in trouble if the side doesnt show improvement especially with Viney as an Asst now

 

[CarloLion]

Appears it took until last Saturday to book him into surgery.
A solid 3 months since finals were ruled out.
I'm not so sure he (or rather, the club) has learnt anything.

Nah they had (apparently) solid external medical advice that it wouldnt require surgery, just management after the season. But it failed to get better.

Can hardly blame the coach for listening to the advice of medical professionals

 

[jerry springer]

Voss- brisbane cant afford another season like this year's both on and off the field

Eade-has to make a GF.cant blame Aker next year

Worsfold -Media are too easy on him over here but one more year like that and the knifes will come out

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Worsfold -Media are too easy on him over here but one more year like that and the knifes will come out

Worsfold is probably the most in the gun of any coach - but why the f*ck does it matter about the media?

Do we want jungle drums beaten by Caro, Mike and Robbo to dictate what clubs do nowadays?

Clubs should be dictated by what is best for the club and the members - not what some pious 'journo' thinks. If they had any decent knowledge about football - they'd be in the caper.

 

[jerry springer]

Worsfold is probably the most in the gun of any coach - but why the f*ck does it matter about the media?

Do we want jungle drums beaten by Caro, Mike and Robbo to dictate what clubs do nowadays?

Clubs should be dictated by what is best for the club and the members - not what some pious 'journo' thinks. If they had any decent knowledge about football - they'd be in the caper.

I agree.But look what the media did to mathew knights compared to Worsfolds recent record?There is no doubt that the media can put pressure on clubs by continually putting the spotlight on them.The media can be ruthless when they have a itch to scratch.Collingwood went through it last year with Buckley/MM situation,Richmond with Wallace,etc,etc

Some clubs(not all) seem compelled to go for the quick fix and sack the coach.Has always happened

especially if membership is involved.....

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Meh Eade will be right. Doggies and their supporters have this "Near enough is good enough" mentality. Exactly like St Kilda. Finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th is an achievement in their eyes

This is such rubbish, you find me one Dogs fan happy with losing 3 Prelims in a row??

Plenty of good sides out of the 8, your aging list, lack of depth just to name a few. Take Barry Hall's goals out of the equasion too and there wasn't really too many other major goalkickers.

Not sure about plenty of good sides out of the eight. The Dogs beat the team that came 9th by 12 goals twice, there's hardly some amazing sides knocking on the door

 

[Blues_Man]

Ratten will be under pressure ..with such a talented young list he will need to improve on this year to keep his job.

Worsfold has been saved because of their ordinary list ...Voss should be the one to go if the Lions can't lift themselves from the bottom.

Clarkson is surely under the pump.

 

[RockyBalboa]

The brisbane won helped us, the way we performed against pies and your mob helped. The way our football style was helped.

We have 2 top 1 picks. You guys have at least 1 that I know of.

Stop picking on the dees.

Having said that Bailey will indeed be in trouble if the side doesnt show improvement especially with Viney as an Asst now

So, you did have 11 of your first 12 in Victoria? I ote with interest you didn' adress that point!

Was it true your first 6 of your first 7 were at the g, with the other one at ethihad? Did those first games includ Rich, Wc, Adel and North all in melbourne? (all misses the 8 ad include the bottom two). Not to mention Haw who lost 6 of their fist 7!)

Now in anyones langauge that is the most incredible start a team could ask for to get the media off your back.
I repeat, with the coach entering his fourth year and your club in he fourth year fo a rebuild, it is time to deliver finals.

Had an absolute charmed run from the media due to a ridculous start to the draw and the stynes factor

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I agree.But look what the media did to mathew knights compared to Worsfolds recent record?There is no doubt that the media can put pressure on clubs by continually putting the spotlight on them.The media can be ruthless when they have a itch to scratch.Collingwood went through it last year with Buckley/MM situation,Richmond with Wallace,etc,etc

Some clubs(not all) seem compelled to go for the quick fix and sack the coach.Has always happened

especially if membership is involved.....

The media exist to sell advertising - a story on Essendon and Knights is going to be read 10 times more than a story on Worsfold and West Coast.

Hence they write more stories in the east on Knights.

I actually think with knights the jungle drums started from within the club - stories leaked out and the media got on the bandwagon.

 

[Clay Davis]

Worsfold is probably the most in the gun of any coach - but why the f*ck does it matter about the media?

Do we want jungle drums beaten by Caro, Mike and Robbo to dictate what clubs do nowadays?

Clubs should be dictated by what is best for the club and the members - not what some pious 'journo' thinks. If they had any decent knowledge about football - they'd be in the caper.

How about Hagdorn, Langdon and Quatermaine? Or Ross Lewis? Even after Fremantle's decent start to the year, he still found time to put the boot in while the Eagles languished.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/rosslewis/post/621/comment/1/

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/rosslewis/post/539/comment/1/

Not saying Freo don't deserve some skepticism and scorn for their history, but it reached pretty ridiculous heights at times this year. By contrast, the pressure was well off Worsfold.

 

[Quinz]

How about Hagdorn, Langdon and Quatermaine? Or Ross Lewis? Even after Fremantle's decent start to the year, he still found time to put the boot in while the Eagles languished.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/rosslewis/post/621/comment/1/

Comparing Fremantle to the best club of the 90s. That's sinking the boot in now?

 

[Clay Davis]

Comparing Fremantle to the best club of the 90s. That's sinking the boot in now?

Is the comparison genuine, or a not too subtle reminder that Freo are a long way off achieving what West Coast has?

It would be like Warren Buffett ruffling your hair and telling you "one day you might be as rich as me".

Lewis is a fraud.

 

[Clay Davis]

Compare his articles on Freo to his article on who is responsible for West Coast's poor performance in 2010.

So who has to take the rap for West Coast’s mess?

Suspect No.1: Ben Cousins. Did the departure of a favourite son - or more significantly the circumstances and the stain left behind - tear at the fabric of the club? Some say Cousins was the first domino to fall in what became a chain-reaction of horrors.

Suspect No.2: Chris Judd. Never before had a high-profile leading talent left West Coast. Not only did Judd’s defection to Carlton rob the Eagles of another gun midfielder but it also indicated not all was well in the camp.

Suspect No.3: John Worsfold. There have been concerns the Eagles match committee haven’t been able to develop enough talent to take the club beyond the rebuilding phase. Too many players have been trusted only to let down their masters.

Suspect(s) No.4: Dalton Gooding/Mark Barnaba: As the chairmen of the Eagles over the past four years they have presided over the most tumultuous time in the club’s history. Outsiders claim that as the organisation’s leaders they didn’t do enough to eradicate the deteriorating player culture that eventually brought down the club.

Would Harvey have a journalist come in to bat for him and excuse the downfall based on poor list management decisions made prior to 2007? Because effectively, Lewis blames West Coast's performance on two players who last played for the club three years ago. And in the case of Cousins, it was something Worsfold had within his power to curb before it got too bad.

 

[CAS79]

By far and away the early pressure is going to be on Craig.

It's a squad that's been in the building for a few years and one with more than a touch of ability. The unfortunate run with injuries the Crows faced in 2010 has been accepted but fans and board wont be wearing excuses for a poor start in 2011. For Neil Craig and this team the adventure starts now.

Clarkson is a very able coach and perhaps overachieved with the Hawks in 2008 which is a credit to him more than anything else. He has the nucleus of a match winning squad so should be fine but a slow start will have the president on his back for no more a reason than the obvious dislike between president and coach.

Voss wont be harried by the board early but another season near the bottom of the ladder without looking like a reprieve will surely have the Lions people calling in a SERIOUS review this time.

Providing Worsfolds mob start winning a few home games the Eagles will continue to back him. History have shown premiership coaches are a rare commodity so they will be wary of throwing one out the door too soon.

If the dogs look like contenders come finals time it's Eade. Question marks have often been raised about his ability to instill a game plan that will finish the best teams off. It seems many believe the talent is their for the dogs and anything under a Grand Final appearance and Rocket will have to answer questions.

As for my groups new man Longmire, The pressure wont be on like those around him, but he does have the weight of expectation. He is expected to have as smooth a transfer into his role than anyone has as a rookie coach in a long while. The belief in the Swans camp is that Paul Roos has left the playing list in pretty good shape and plenty of scope for development to attack a flag in 2012, If the Swans drop off the pace this year the heat wont be on Longmire like the others but the murmurings will start both outside and inside the camp.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

So, you did have 11 of your first 12 in Victoria? I ote with interest you didn' adress that point!

Was it true your first 6 of your first 7 were at the g, with the other one at ethihad? Did those first games includ Rich, Wc, Adel and North all in melbourne? (all misses the 8 ad include the bottom two). Not to mention Haw who lost 6 of their fist 7!)

Now in anyones langauge that is the most incredible start a team could ask for to get the media off your back.
I repeat, with the coach entering his fourth year and your club in he fourth year fo a rebuild, it is time to deliver finals.

Had an absolute charmed run from the media due to a ridculous start to the draw and the stynes factor

we were the worst team in the league for the previous two seasons, its to be expected the AFL would not try to give us a tough start, although our end to the season was quite tricky from memory

we don't care what you think to be honest, Stynes, Schwabb and co have a perfect image of where we should be ATM and i only care what they think with regard to the melbourne football club

 

[RockyBalboa]

we were the worst team in the league for the previous two seasons, its to be expected the AFL would not try to give us a tough start, although our end to the season was quite tricky from memory

we don't care what you think to be honest, Stynes, Schwabb and co have a perfect image of where we should be ATM and i only care what they think with regard to the melbourne football club

Yes that is true.

So how do you explain Richmond getting 6 of their first 12 outside Melbourne. Rounds 5. 6. 7 for them consisted of Freo at Freo, Geel at Geel then Adle in adel. All the while you hadn't left the cbd of Melbourne. They also played syd in syd in round 3.

How come their start was horrendous and yours ridiculously easy given they won one more game??

It all helps with memberships, good early publicity etc.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Yes that is true.

So how do you explain Richmond getting 6 of their first 12 outside Melbourne. Rounds 5. 6. 7 for them consisted of Freo at Freo, Geel at Geel then Adle in adel. All the while you hadn't left the cbd of Melbourne. They also played syd in syd in round 3.

How come their start was horrendous and yours ridiculously easy given they won one more game??

It all helps with memberships, good early publicity etc.

haha im not the AFL mate how the hell do you expect me to explain it???

get off your high horse, no one on this forum is to blame for their teams fixture!!!

 

[Morris Major]

haha im not the AFL mate how the hell do you expect me to explain it???

get off your high horse, no one on this forum is to blame for their teams fixture!!!

Well you were able to justify Melbourne's favourable draw when it pointed out.

 

[RockyBalboa]

haha im not the AFL mate how the hell do you expect me to explain it???

get off your high horse, no one on this forum is to blame for their teams fixture!!!

As I thought, you couldn't explain it.
I am merely ponting out just what a charmed start to the year you had, after which you proceeded to win 1.5 of your next 8, yet felt no heat because you won early games after your favoured draw and the stynes factor.

The point?

You aren't as good as you think you are. I would love to know how many wins you think you would have had if you ha Richmod's first 8 games?

Your coach is entering his fourth year and must make the finals with the greatest young list in the history of sport, if you want to believe the crap pedalled in the media lead by Garry Lyon

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Brett Ratten - Was under pressure early in 2010 when Carlton got off to an average start.

Do explain this.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

As I thought, you couldn't explain it.
I am merely ponting out just what a charmed start to the year you had, after which you proceeded to win 1.5 of your next 8, yet felt no heat because you won early games after your favoured draw and the stynes factor.

The point?

You aren't as good as you think you are. I would love to know how many wins you think you would have had if you ha Richmod's first 8 games?

Your coach is entering his fourth year and must make the finals with the greatest young list in the history of sport, if you want to believe the crap pedalled in the media lead by Garry Lyon

i have never said we were that good, in fact i would be perfectly happy with not making finals for one more year, unlike you who seemed to think that we did!!!

We are an inconsistent young team, oh no.... that doesn't happen all the time

we have a good young list, i am fairly confident of that and that we can achieve success in the next 5 years

but i don't see where you are getting all this from?? how is it relevant??