List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022--> PART 2

[KJpie]

YES, it's plain as the nose on my face that we will be playing Freddy as the second ruck with cameo's from McStay and even Frampton. Our game plan alone should be enough for people to realise that we would be at our fast moving best with that set up

Frampton stays Fullback & continues development under Leppitsch for mine, be it the firsts or the VFL

 

[Fat Jesus]

Frampton stays Fullback & continues development under Leppitsch for mine, be it the firsts or the VFL

Frampton to Naicos position on half back flank with Daics in the guts receiving from Mitchell and friends.

Charlie Dean at fullback. Dunno, Frampton is supposedly better at intercepting. Not 1vs1.

 

[Apex36]

Frampton to Naicos position on half back flank with Daics in the guts receiving from Mitchell and friends.

Charlie Dean at fullback. Dunno, Frampton is supposedly better at intercepting. Not 1vs1.

The club are intending for Frampton to play as the second key position defender alongside Moore. He’s already confirmed that in an interview he had after he was traded.
Dean will likely be competing for that spot too. They’re not going to replace Daicos with a tall.

 

[Fat Jesus]

The club are intending for Frampton to play as the second key position defender alongside Moore. He’s already confirmed that in an interview he had after he was traded.
Dean will likely be competing for that spot too. They’re not going to replace Daicos with a tall.

He confirmed this but I feel Charlie Dean will prove the better fullback.

Frampton is fast and agile for his size.

We have to wait and see.

 

[RobJD]

Frampton to Naicos position on half back flank with Daics in the guts receiving from Mitchell and friends.

Charlie Dean at fullback. Dunno, Frampton is supposedly better at intercepting. Not 1vs1.

We'll need someone who is exceptional in traffic to backfill Naics off the half back line - I'd use Crisp/Pendles there. Reckon Frampton/Dean/Murphy as the third tall.

 

[KJpie]

Frampton to Naicos position on half back flank with Daics in the guts receiving from Mitchell and friends.

Charlie Dean at fullback. Dunno, Frampton is supposedly better at intercepting. Not 1vs1.

Frampton was recruited to play FB & take the Lynch/ King type forward, but will have to prove himself & earn his spot.
I like Dean too, he can defend & also zone off & intercept, hopefully he has an injury free run and there is competition for spots in the backline which can only be a good thing.
With Adams fit again, and Mitchell brought in to play midfield alongside the likes of DeGoey, Daicos could potentially play a similar role to this year being mainly halfback with some time forward & mid if the need presents due to injury as he continues to develop.

 

[KinderSmock]

From SEN:

Callum and Tyler Brown

21

Tyler Brown

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

“I really like them both as players. Tyler just hasn’t got the continuity, he keeps getting injured… I reckon they’re perfect for the Hawks.

“Callum is 24 and Tyler is 22, they’ll play for minimum chips, they’ve been well paid, well overs at Collingwood for two or three years, I don’t know how they did those contracts as well, another stuff up with their salary cap.

“They need someone like Tyler in the midfield, he’s a big-bodied mid, a good clearance man, and Callum can roam the whole forward line…

“They’re right in the wheelhouse with what Hawthorn wants to do in their age profile… obviously I think Essendon is a really good fit for them both too.”

Rendell also suggested Jack Madgen

44

Jack Madgen

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

154.4

2star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

79.0

1star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

172.8

3star

*, Dan Hannebery, Jack Newnes

32

Jack Newnes

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

11.3

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

13.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.4

3star

and Mitch Wallis could be useful as development coaches that also sit on the rookie list of an AFL club.

“I would be doing that with all four blokes, they’re good people and they’ve been in good systems… I think those four players should be in demand as the last player on your list, I think they’d be invaluable to the clubs they go to,” Rendell added

*Madgen's uncle is Rendell

Hopefully, our salary cap problems have been put to bed and we can start operating as a normal football club.

 

[KinderSmock]

Roughy, fair enough as he wasnt on the list

Grundy was our #1 ruck last year, and was injured. We had decent depth and used #2 amd #3 in combination all year.

if our #1 ruck goes down in 22, we dont have a #3 who can come in and cover.

We sort of do.

Kreuger is a handy ruckman (watch him in the fourth against Sydney), Frampton has the height and there's the MSD.

 

[Scodog10]

In 2022 we went into the season with Grundy and one of Cameron / Cox as preferred option in ruck. So when Grundy went down we were able to cover by using the Cameron and Cox combo...before we got to using KP options as makeshift rucks.

In 2023 we are going in with just the Cameron and Cox combo. If one goes down we are left with....??

It clearly impacts our depth as Cox was depth in 2022, and he will likely be a best 23 in 2023...our ruck depth is now using KP options like McStay, Kreuger, Frampton etc. as a chop outs if one of Cox or Cameron go down.

The exact same as 2022 with Begg a year further advanced plus anyone we bring in through the drafts/ SSP. I’ll ask you the same question that TFT passed on who amongst our competitors has a viable 3rd ruck on their list?

 

[Kappa]

From SEN:

Callum and Tyler Brown

“I really like them both as players. Tyler just hasn’t got the continuity, he keeps getting injured… I reckon they’re perfect for the Hawks.

“Callum is 24 and Tyler is 22, they’ll play for minimum chips, they’ve been well paid, well overs at Collingwood for two or three years, I don’t know how they did those contracts as well, another stuff up with their salary cap.

“They need someone like Tyler in the midfield, he’s a big-bodied mid, a good clearance man, and Callum can roam the whole forward line…

“They’re right in the wheelhouse with what Hawthorn wants to do in their age profile… obviously I think Essendon is a really good fit for them both too.”

Rendell also suggested Jack Madgen*, Dan Hannebery, Jack Newnes and Mitch Wallis could be useful as development coaches that also sit on the rookie list of an AFL club.

“I would be doing that with all four blokes, they’re good people and they’ve been in good systems… I think those four players should be in demand as the last player on your list, I think they’d be invaluable to the clubs they go to,” Rendell added

*Madgen's uncle is Rendell

Hopefully, our salary cap problems have been put to bed and we can start operating as a normal football club.

If that’s true that Tyler and Callum Brown were on decent salaries I would like charges to be laid against our list management team for blatant money laundering and corruption.

 

[Fat Jesus]

If that’s true that Tyler and Callum Brown were on decent salaries I would like charges to be laid against our list management team for blatant money laundering and corruption.

Neither is laundering or corruption. Just dumb kents running our club at the time

 

[No SPIN]

Are you able to explain how that’s any different to 2022? Trading out Grundy doesn’t impact on our depth from this year to next because he was never available.

Don’t understand this logic.
Grundy leaving, depletes our best 22 and Ruck depth, therefore our depth is clearly impacted.
Similarly Roughie retiring impacted our best 22, and KPD depth.
Unless you have ready made replacements of equal quality, depth suffers when losing best 22 players.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Don’t understand this logic.
Grundy leaving, depletes our best 22 and Ruck depth, therefore our depth is clearly impacted.
Similarly Roughie retiring impacted our best 22, and KPD depth.
Unless you have ready made replacements of equal quality, depth suffers when losing best 22 players.

Ruckmen a tad overrated although if his contract was way less we would have kept him.
Thank the last admin for this. Sad actually

 

[iGNITER]

If that’s true that Tyler and Callum Brown were on decent salaries I would like charges to be laid against our list management team for blatant money laundering and corruption.

They definitely were. Their salaries will cover Tom Mitchell.
Our salary cap was a shambles but with the last couple of trade periods we are truly in a space now to go after FA next year.

 

[KinderSmock]

They definitely were. Their salaries will cover Tom Mitchell.
Our salary cap was a shambles but with the last couple of trade periods we are truly in a space now to go after FA next year.

Yes. Hence, why we didn't sign Henry up to the big money straight away, the moment he demanded it.

 

[iGNITER]

Yes. Hence, why we didn't sign Henry up to the big money straight away, the moment he demanded it.

Yep, old news. Not worth the money in any case.

 

[Bianconeri]

“They need someone like Tyler in the midfield, he’s a big-bodied mid, a good clearance man, and Callum can roam the whole forward line…

Tyler is a stick not sure where this big bodied nonsense is coming from and Callum isn’t someone you want roaming around the forward line.

 

[doppleganger]

The exact same as 2022 with Begg a year further advanced plus anyone we bring in through the drafts/ SSP.

Yeah once Grundy did his knee and was out it was the same. We went into 2022 with Grundy as our #1 and strong ruck depth.

I’ll ask you the same question that TFT passed on who amongst our competitors has a viable 3rd ruck on their list?

That is a different question.

Heading into 2022 we had strong ruck depth.
Heading into 2023 we have poor ruck depth.

Our coach and list management group achieved that by design, and so overall our senior depth is better heading into 2023.

Most clubs would have speculative 3rd rucks, but Sydney who beat us in the PF have Hickey, Naismith and Ladhams before they start using KPs like Reid.

 

[Hazz]

Throw Hanneberry a lifeline

Has there ever been a more Collingwood recruit?

Old, perpetually injured, overpaid, and for those who were not yet convinced, the lingering prospect of some decent output "if he can put a few games together..."

 

[doppleganger]

We sort of do.

Kreuger is a handy ruckman (watch him in the fourth against Sydney), Frampton has the height and there's the MSD.

Kreuger is a bit of an unkwown still really. Has great chaotic energy about him, recklessly throws his body around and crashes packs. No idea if he could be counted on to play a full season as KPF chopping out in the ruck though.

Frampton is tall, but he is replacing Roughy as an option for some of the monster forwards if we want to free up Moore.

Or esle the MSD, an admission that we need more coverage for the ruck.

 

[Magnanimous]

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[Jasper84]

But that’s the point of depth! Last year we had three “ first rucks” on the list. This year (to date) we have two. So it’s 33 percent different

Admittedly we have significantly boosted our kpp second ruck type stocks but it’s unarguable that out first ruck depth has reduced. Not over yet of course as lists aren’t final.

But that is the point. Having 3 tried and tested first rucks on the list is terrible management, because one will always be getting paid good money to play VFL or sit on the sidelines if they get injured.

It's a much better move to have an additional KPP on the list over a 3rd established ruck because a KPP can respectably pinch hit in the ruck, whereas a full time ruck can be an absolute liability to team structure as a KPP.

I think it's been proven enough times now that unless you are paying for Max Gawn output, very little money should be spent on the ruck division.

 

[Juan Ide]

I’ll ask you the same question that TFT passed on who amongst our competitors has a viable 3rd ruck on their list?

Let's see: Hawthorn (T. Lynch), The Bulldogs (S. Martin), Gold Coast (M. Andrew), GWS (K. Briggs), North (C. Coleman-Jones), Port (S. Hayes), St Kilda (T. Campbell), Sydney (A. Phillips from Essendon)?

Doubtless some may quibble about the definition of 'viable' but the above are all more experienced in the ruck than our current void of true Ruckmen after Cameron & Cox, I'd have thought.

And it could be argued that Cameron's not much of a true Ruckman, either. Certainly, his tap-work leaves a lot to be desired...

 

[magpies42]

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The two week links there are us and the Tigers.

Why out of all the players from that team you’d have Thomas on ball I don’t know. Chuck in Ball, or Sidebottom and we are in the conversation.

 

[jonbe54]

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