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Well they'd either want to play in front of big crowds or they don't, I guess.
List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023
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Mitchell was a terrible trade. I can't believe we gave up Oliver Henry - an aboslute gun - to get that wombat ball hog and Pick 25 (eventually 28 for that hopeless Jakob Ryan). It's not like Mitchell has totally transformed the midfield brigade of this team and has driven a focused culture to prioritise team success while still having constructive fun. No idea what we were thinking there.
With the addition of McStay and Frampton last off season and the continued emergence of both Murphy and Johnson should Himmelberg be a priority use of our salary cap space?
If those within the club knew Johnson was going to jump ship for a larger payday or the body of Mihocek was a ticking time bomb you could justify the move but outside of that targeting an A grade midfielder around that 26/27 years age group is probably a wiser move with all of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Adams and Crisp 30+ come next year.
The one caveat is that if we go on and win the flag or fall painfully short once again history says we'll go looking for anyone that is realistically available and can improve us in the short term.
If that happens to be Himmelberg and not a mid then so be it. Better not be another Beams like mistake however.
P.S- With Tasmania now a go it's important we keep one eye on our future and make sure we invest in enough draft capital in the coming years so we aren't left short for quality young talent when draft concessions inevitably begin.
If those within the club knew Johnson was going to jump ship for a larger payday or the body of Mihocek was a ticking time bomb you could justify the move but outside of that targeting an A grade midfielder around that 26/27 years age group is probably a wiser move with all of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Adams and Crisp 30+ come next year.
The one caveat is that if we go on and win the flag or fall painfully short once again history says we'll go looking for anyone that is realistically available and can improve us in the short term.
If that happens to be Himmelberg and not a mid then so be it. Better not be another Beams like mistake however.
P.S- With Tasmania now a go it's important we keep one eye on our future and make sure we invest in enough draft capital in the coming years so we aren't left short for quality young talent when draft concessions inevitably begin.
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It's the 22 to 26 demographic we're seriously lacking. We're pretty lucky Sidebottom and Pendlebury have stuck around playing good footy for so long
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He's a good Allround physical player. Hes physically impressive with nice skills. The question I have is role. Despite his height, is he actually a tall? I'm trying to think of him jumping outstretched at the footy and I'm blank.
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If we are after him, which is no secret, they must have a role in mind. On the other hand, you can't have enough quality in your side, especially KP talent. GWS are moving him back to defence for the rest of the year and by the end of it, everyone will want him. He is widely regarded as the most versatile tall in the comp. If you have a chance to get a quality player, you'll find a role for him.
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We had no choice we were going to lose Henry he was uncontracted. Getting Mitchell who has improved our clearances and a draft pick was better than losing him for nothing.
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Of course they're joking.
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My question is whether he is a versatile tall or a versatile tweener. I think he's a bit of an old fashioned one on one player, who doesn't play a clear role in the modern systems. Doesn't hit high balls. Doesn't provide run. Doesn't play on the inside. Very good in a one on one contest though, and powerful with good skills. I think he needs too much re-invention to pay top dollar for.
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I'm assuming sarcasm.
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I doubt we would pay top dollar for him. I think we would try and get him on the promise of playing at the G and finals. It's getting harder to predict why clubs are chasing certain players these days. I still wonder about the McStay decision but I would take HH over him any day.
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The McStay rumours started really early last year. When we pitched to him and (according to rumours) persuaded him to sign, Johnson was super speculative without having played a game, Kreuger was and still is really speculative, Cox was playing like rubbish and likely to be delisted, Murphy wasn't a senior player, Frampton wasn't on the list. We had an aging Howe, Checkers and Moore and a whole pile of god knows what. At the time, we were screaming for talls and he was one we could get without giving up any recruiting chips. A lot has gone right with our talls since then. But when they got him to commit (assuming the rumours were spot on), our talls were in dire shape. Not sure if we would have gone as hard with the situation we were in at the end of the year, but we wouldn't have got him if we waited until then.
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Would be thrilled with either of Himmelberg or Larkey at some future stage. Rate both highly, but they're different players for sure. Himmelberg for me would be best as a defender long-term to replace Howe’s aerial presence.
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Lacking? Besides J Daicos, Maynard, Quaynor, Hill, Lipinski, Johnson, Frampton, and Noble?
It’s also a fairly arbitrary demographic. Several 27 year-olds are crucial pillars of our 22. A 20 year-old is arguably our best player.
Himmelberg replacing Howe would be a good result, but it's an area of the field that I think we're fairly well catered for. We have Moore, Frampton, Murphy and Maynard who can all play on taller forwards, with Moore and Frampton capable of taking the 195cm+ forwards.
As others have noted, our top shelf midfield stocks have been unusually durable across their careers, but we will eventually need to replace the likes of Sidey, Pendles, Adams and Mitchell. Jordy's suspension might give us a small glimpse into our future, as we're losing one of our key midfielders for the next 3 games.
In my view a strong midfield can forgive a number of sins, including relieving pressure on the back 6 by ensuring that teams are not getting consistently good entries into their forward line which, if good enough, no backline can really compete with.
As others have noted, our top shelf midfield stocks have been unusually durable across their careers, but we will eventually need to replace the likes of Sidey, Pendles, Adams and Mitchell. Jordy's suspension might give us a small glimpse into our future, as we're losing one of our key midfielders for the next 3 games.
In my view a strong midfield can forgive a number of sins, including relieving pressure on the back 6 by ensuring that teams are not getting consistently good entries into their forward line which, if good enough, no backline can really compete with.
I reckon you two are a bit too liberal with your gun description. Yes, he is a good solid player and would be a worthy addition to our list and team. But gun? Nah, he is a B grader, nice skills, nice athleticism, great versatility, but he isnt going to trouble the All Australian selectors anytime soon, win a B and F etc. He is a no 2 KP type, was a great foil for Jeremy Cameron, what we badly need is a no 1 KPF type, someone who will trouble the All Australian selectors.
Now having said all that Id love to have him. Our KP stocks are shallow, Im far from convinced about Frampton the KPD, and I reckon HH would be much better. A spine of HH, Moore, Mihocek and McStay is looking pretty solid. The problem with getting him is the cost, by the time we pay the free agent tax, its going to be expensive - Cal Twomey was talking 800K on SEN this morning. Bloody expensive for a B grader. It wouldnt be a disastrous acquisition, but I reckon Id rather keep that money for an A grader, Id be making sure Ben King was off the table before going in boots and all for HH...
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I reckon Frampton is more your typical B grader. Himmelberg is much better than that.
He would improve us bigly playing as a defender and occasionally as a forward.
Ben King is ungettable unless he decides to accept less money.
Playing for Fly and in front of huge crowds may tempt him.
He will get huge offers I think.
Then our definitions of B grader differ tremendously.
For me a B grader is a good solid player. A reliable player, an automatic selection who doesnt have too many flaws but hasnt the weapons or output of the A graders. Im far from convinced that a bloke who has managed 32 games in 8 years in the system can be accurately described that way...
i think someone overlooked the sarcasm emoji ....
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Given how well Suns are going I reckon King might sign for another 2 and then maybe consider free agency
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