List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Venkman]

Let's not jump the gun here. Hamling sucks ass. Adams helps, but he's no Mills, who he'll be replacing for a large portion of the season due to injury. In theory Grundy makes them better, but I don't know if they vault into the top 4 based on these moves.

Think Tay will do very well, especially up there. Playing on the SCG every player is an inside mid...

 

[Ingy]

can’t you read or something or was it too complicated for you to understand just read it slowly might help you understand

If you want people to read what you write more slowly, then you might try a bit of punctuation, mate.

That's literally what it's for, and I can't recommend it highly enough

 

[Moore of the Same]

Think Tay will do very well, especially up there. Playing on the SCG every player is an inside mid...

It's a great fit for him personally. Should be able to fill a great role. But, I'm not seeing these as the moves that make them a top team just yet.

 

[DopeMaster]

Craig McRae’s powers of persuasion can move mountains.
For Fremantle half forward Lachie Schultz, it wasn’t even a fair fight.
Collingwood looks set to land Schultz in coming days using all the hallmarks that won them the flag – McRae’s charisma and glass-half-full approach, football boss Graham Wright’s dealmaking and the power of football’s biggest club.
And this time the dexterity to be able to act in a matter of days to use the setback of Taylor Adams’ exit as an opportunity to dive head first into wooing Schultz.
Schultz and his partner have always wanted to return to Victoria at some stage given family reasons, but had put that move on the backburner as recently as season’s end.
He had put together another consistently excellent season – 33.19 (second only to Jye Amiss’s 41 majors), an average of 1.1 score assists, 5.5 score involvements, 4.1 tackles.
He ticked off a games-based clause that locked the unrestricted free agent in until 2024, actually limiting his options this off-season.
But talks were underway about another extension.

Lachie Schultz has requested a trade to Collingwood. Picture: Michael Klein
He would secure a significant pay rise, the move home would be delayed, and his multiple suitors including Collingwood would have to move on.
The Dockers, fully aware of his reasons for one day moving home, believed they had got their man.
But during the post-season break Schultz and partner Maddie returned home to spend time in Echuca and Moama – both attended school together in Moama – and realised how much they missed family and friends.
Only they can say how that development might have affected his contract discussions and future if the Taylor Adams move hadn’t played out after Callum Mills wrecked his shoulder on Mad Monday.
On the Wednesday after the grand final, Adams told the Pies he was exploring a trade to Sydney.
They were floored given he was still the club’s vice-captain.


Swans football boss Charlie Gardiner wouldn’t confirm if Sydney had made first contact or whether Adams had broached a move, following his great mate Brodie Grundy.

But suddenly the Pies had a hole at half forward, up to $600,000 of cap space, and would secure another draft pick for Adams to go with their own first-round selection.

Contact was made over the weekend between the parties.

McRae’s pitch was overpowering, as usual.

And while Hawthorn had chased Schultz hard two years ago, those close to him knew Collingwood was the perfect landing spot to make use of Schultz’s powers.

The former plumbing apprentice who found his way to AFL through the Bendigo Pioneers and Williamstown, he is less interested in the bright lights and fame than a chance to maximise his football potential.

Collingwood, with an elite midfield, a wide-open premiership window and 15-plus MCG games a year, fits the bill perfectly.

That McRae pitch is believed to have come over the weekend.

McRae has turned role players like Billy Frampton and Bobby Hill into premiership heroes, so what will he do once he gets his hands on Schultz?


Schultz kicked 33 goals for the Dockers in 2023. Picture: Getty Images
Collingwood is aware their offer to Fremantle will have to be more significant than any free agency compensation the Dockers could acquire if they held him next year.

A deal involving a player from another club heading to Fremantle had fallen through by Wednesday, so the Pies and Fremantle will continue to haggle.

And yet Wright rarely fails to deliver.

Collingwood is in that perfect post-premiership glow where even paying slightly too much from a trade perspective will be fine by the Magpie Army.

If he lands at the Pies the 178cm forward will arrive as a goalkicker but Pies fans will fall in love with his tackling early on.

He is a tough little bugger, rating elite for forward 50 pressure as well as being a lovely touch kick to advantage who snaps well for goals on both feet.

So in a competition that has never been equal, the premiers only get stronger just as Richmond did with Tom Lynch in 2019 and Geelong with Ollie Henry last year.

Add landing Schultz to McRae’s recent list of achievements including a 50th birthday on preliminary final day, an AFL premiership and a new daughter Maggie with wife Gabrielle.

Cheers mate, much appreciated!

 

[pablo disco bar]

Rumours of ginnivan to hawthorn now

 

[Everybody Panic]

People sooking about getting shafted despite a quarter or so off our premiership team being traded on the cheap. Schultz is not only better at the half forward role than Adams, but had a lot more football left. If we can do the swap with just a 14 spot downgrade then we've come out bandits.

 

[DopeMaster]

Rumours of ginnivan to hawthorn now

Where are rumours coming from?

 

[Kes1984]

On the face of it pick 33 is average return for a bloke who's contracted. But, if it takes the whole salary off our books then it's probably worth it.

Especially if it was heavily backended as reported.

Fact Taylor was still contracted but asked to be traded, he broke the contract. We’re free of whatever the contract terms were.

It’ll turn out to be a good thing. I expect we’ll be an even better list next year.

The worry is, so will a few others now.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

If you want people to read what you write more slowly, then you might try a bit of punctuation, mate.

That's literally what it's for, and I can't recommend it highly enough

Missing a full stop at the end mate and i'm sure many would disagree with the comma before the "and". Yeah I know, I suck punctuation too.

 

[Kes1984]

I don't think it matters if we have pick 23 or pick 33 in this draft.

It's the sort of draft that after the first dozen or so it's speculation and pot-luck.

I prefer trading draft picks for known players. We tend to do more of that. It’s what you need to do if challenging as opposed to rebuilding.

 

[Kes1984]

Yikes, was he right?

Hope so!! I’m super keen on Shultz now.

 

[KinderSmock]

Rumours of ginnivan to hawthorn now

Yeah I've heard that one online.

Pick 4 please.

 

[Hazz]

Pick 33 is all Tay is worth. Perfect result.

If Tay was coming to us in a premiership window, where we need an inside bill - for pick 33 you’d be frigging stoked.

Consider what you’re likely going to get at the draft for 33 - speculative quality at best, and it’ll take you 2+years to really know.

Contrast to Tay:
His injuries are overblown considering number of games playeed in recent seasons.
Into his 30s but is professional in his approach, would almost guarantee 15 games per seasonx3, 30 of those at current output.
Inside bull who can win plenty of contested ball.
Has added forward craft in the season just passed.
Slow, and maligned disposal. But seemed improved in that regard this year.
Leadership qualities and IP from a top performing team.

If you’re Sydney, you’re very happy.

 

[Moore of the Same]

Yeah I've heard that one online.

Pick 4 please.

I'd prefer Sicily to be honest.

 

[PIE TILL I DIE]

If you want people to read what you write more slowly, then you might try a bit of punctuation, mate.

That's literally what it's for, and I can't recommend it highly enough

It’s an internet forum and some of us had to work from a very young age and didn’t have the luxury of going to school so sue me I type like most people do on the internet ypu must have a sad life if that’s what you focus on chief

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

I'd prefer Sicily to be honest.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Disappointed we helped make Sydney a contender again and all we got was pick 33. I guess the club just did the right thing by Adams or maybe there was a lot of contract to pay on Adams contract next year that we were happy to avoid.

Didn't people think that about trading Grundy to Dee's last year?

Yet here we are

No Grundy in the finals for Dee's. No Adams in the QF or GF.

 

[gerryg400]

He's talking about Beams' return.

He said we got unders for beams. That cannot be about his return.

 

[MooreDaicos]

Rumours of ginnivan to hawthorn now

Fake account.

 

[danielnajdek]

He said we got unders for beams. That cannot be about his return.

Pretty sure we got a 1st and 2nd rounder when he went to Brisbane. When he came back to us we gave up 2 first rounders.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Where are rumours coming from?

Yesterday, his manager categorically ruled out any Ginnivan move. He's staying at the Pies.

 

[TradeDraft]

Freo might be saying they want a Higher Pick then our Current 1st Rounder

 

[stormskye]

Fake account.

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That account gets a work out lol

 

[Everybody Panic]

If Tay was coming to us in a premiership window, where we need an inside bill - for pick 33 you’d be frigging stoked.

Consider what you’re likely going to get at the draft for 33 - speculative quality at best, and it’ll take you 2+years to really know.

Contrast to Tay:
His injuries are overblown considering number of games playeed in recent seasons.
Into his 30s but is professional in his approach, would almost guarantee 15 games per seasonx3, 30 of those at current output.
Inside bull who can win plenty of contested ball.
Has added forward craft in the season just passed.
Slow, and maligned disposal. But seemed improved in that regard this year.
Leadership qualities and IP from a top performing team.

If you’re Sydney, you’re very happy.

Do Sydney need Adams? Parker and Mills are both better kicks and they have Warner, Gulden and Rowbottom who will all take aloy of centre bounces. The aim is not to be nervous about helping others, it's about improving what we have, and Schultz has all Australian Squad style tracking whilst Adams is getting older and can be a turnover liability in the centre.

 

[Kes1984]

Is anyone else a little terrified at the draft picks North is amassing?

They already have Sheezle who is a home brand Nick Daicos, and Larkey who may actually kick 100 in a season with decent delivery to him. He managed 71 or something this year.

They should be given a deadline now, improve with all this assistance, or fold when Tassie come in. Maybe “merge” with Tassie like the Roy boys treatment.