List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Jen2310]

I thought we could take 7 picks but not use only 6 on Daicos. That's probably just my misunderstanding , though.

I'm now getting myself confused lol Its been a long 12 months figuring this picks stuff out, I think I've cooked myself lol Maybe you are right, its only in terms of matching a bid, you can only match the number of picks as you do have list spots

 

[Harry O]

funny enough, this article is 3 years old. Back from 2018.

I think most already knew of the connection- has been well publicised

 

[RobJD]

It's hard to move a bundle of thirds in one deal so expect this continue all the way until draft night.

I thought pick trading closed on Monday (and then resumes on draft night)

 

[Harry O]

I think this pick swap confirms we will be trading some of these future picks back in to 2021 after matching the Daicos bid.
probably needed this future 4th as part of some pre arranged deal to live trade back in to an early 20’s draft pick this year

 

[Go Woods]

Would Cripps have won us a premiership, though?

Well our midfield may have stood up longer than it did in the 2018 GF having Cripps in B&W, so I’d say yes.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I live out in west also....I'm over the dogs now...used to like them.

Can't stand anymore

The romance is over

Between you & the Dogs or you & whiskeytown?

 

[partypie]

Giving up points there. Pick 55 to be bumped up to inside the 40s... and next years future 4th from the crows (edit) likely to fall in early 60s

Next year's draft is going to be a bit of a F/S and academy festa, so Adelaide's future 4th will probably end up sliding up into the late 40's to early 50's range as bids are matched, assuming they finish somewhere in the bottom 6 again next year.

That now makes 3 x future 3rds plus 2x future 4ths... makes me think we are either doing a deal with the Lions for perhaps their pick 41 or their future 2nd as they have young Ashcroft coming through... a 2022 top 3-5 prospect

We only have one future 4th - Adelaide's from this trade with St Kilda.

I'd guess that this trade might be the first part of the deal to acquire their future 2nd for our excess pick(s) when the Daicos bid comes in.

 

[Harry O]

Next year's draft is going to be a hot of a F/S and academy festa, so Adelaide's future 4th will probably end up sliding up into the late 40's to early 50's range as bids are matched, assuming they finish somewhere in the bottom 6 again next year.



We only have one future 4th - Adelaide's from this trade with St Kilda.

I'd guess that this trade might be the first part of the deal to acquire their future 2nd for our excess pick(s) when the Daicos bid comes in.

Don’t think we could care less about a future second
We are looking to live trade into a second round pick this year

 

[partypie]

Don’t think we could care less about a future second
We are looking to live trade into a second round pick this year

We can't live trade into a 2021 second round pick until after the Daicos bid is matched.

We'll need to trade out our excess pick(s) at the point where the Daicos bid comes in and it would be ideal if that ended up getting us a future 2nd, as it would be much easier to move back into the mid-to-late 20's this year on day 2 of the draft if we have a future 2nd in hand to offer.

 

[Louie the Lipinski]

Would Cripps have won us a premiership, though?

Off the top of my head Cripps averaged 29.6 disposals a game in 2018, which is statistically his best season to date. So IF we had him we would have won the 2018 GF. But IF the ump had have given Maynard THAT free kick. We would have won the 2018 GF.

 

[manicmagpie]

You can't really point out that this year's pick 55 will slide to the late 40s after F/S and Academy selections and not acknowledge that an early 4th rounder next year will likely do the same.

We're obviously after doing something with next year's pick, still not sure if it involves this draft or next.

 

[Jen2310]

You can't really point out that this year's pick 55 will slide to the late 40s after F/S and Academy selections and not acknowledge that an early 4th rounder next year will likely do the same.

We're obviously after doing something with next year's pick, still not sure if it involves this draft or next.

Thats quite true, given there will be some FS prospects next year (Brisbane has a likely #1 pick, and Essendon have the Davey twins) that we know of so far.

 

[Mick F]

Agree - working towards being able to trade the 2022 first

whether that’sto get back into this draft or for an established player…

Maybe they are valuing it ‘lower’ than those externally. Expecting not to finish bottom 3.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Between you & the Dogs or you & whiskeytown?

The dogs ..lol

 

[Harry O]

We can't live trade into a 2021 second round pick until after the Daicos bid is matched.

We'll need to trade out our excess pick(s) at the point where the Daicos bid comes in and it would be ideal if that ended up getting us a future 2nd, as it would be much easier to move back into the mid-to-late 20's this year on day 2 of the draft if we have a future 2nd in hand to offer.

That is exactly what I was talking about - live trading back in to a 20's pick this year, after matching for Daicos

 

[SchuPie]

Maybe they are valuing it ‘lower’ than those externally. Expecting not to finish bottom 3.

yeah, it’s possible
Good run w injuries, win every close game

Tbh, I trust GW to make the right call
Keep it / trade it - happy with their decision

 

[partypie]

That is exactly what I was talking about - live trading back in to a 20's pick this year, after matching for Daicos

Which is why your reply was a bit of a head scratcher in the first place.

 

[Harry O]

Which is why your reply was a bit of a head scratcher in the first place.

Disagree strongly

 

[partypie]

Disagree strongly

Not sure why - it's not like we're magically going to be able to pull a move back into a pick in the mid to late 20's this year out of a hat without collateral, so we're going to have to trade out into a future pick which carries decent value before we can expect to trade back into this years second round in a live pick swap with the clock ticking.

It's pretty straightforward really.

 

[unplugged]

Love to know the logic behind that

Pending us potentially acquiring a future second rounder before draft night (doubtful), this trade enables us on draft night some flexibility to trade.

Purely as an example with no inside knowledge etc.

We can now essentially trade our future first for a team's future second and a pick say 10-20.

So let's say we really rate, I dunno, Tyler Sonsie. And maybe we have him as say 7-10 on our draft board.

And let's say WCE come into draft night (at pick 12 I think after bids?) and both Erasmus and Johnson are already taken by Fremantle or otherwise. So they think, you know what, **** it, we'll trade pick 12 and a future second and the Pies' future first. And next year hope to have a good enough pick or two picks good enough to grab Condon and/or Hewett next year.

We couldn't have done the above trade without possessing a future 4th rounder.

 

[Kappa]

Pending us potentially acquiring a future second rounder before draft night (doubtful), this trade enables us on draft night some flexibility to trade.

Purely as an example with no inside knowledge etc.

We can now essentially trade our future first for a team's future second and a pick say 10-20.

So let's say we really rate, I dunno, Tyler Sonsie. And maybe we have him as say 7-10 on our draft board.

And let's say WCE come into draft night (at pick 12 I think after bids?) and both Erasmus and Johnson are already taken by Fremantle or otherwise. So they think, you know what, fu** it, we'll trade pick 12 and a future second and the Pies' future first. And next year hope to have a good enough pick or two picks good enough to grab Condon and/or Hewett next year.

We couldn't have done the above trade without possessing a future 4th rounder.

Swear to god if we trade out another pick 2 for a bunch of mediocre picks theres gonna be a riot

 

[ClaytonM]

Swear to god if we trade out another pick 2 for a bunch of mediocre picks theres gonna be a riot

Riots generally involve more than one.

 

[magpienato]

Sorry but why is trading our future 1st even in the conversation right now?

 

[jmac70]

Swear to god if we trade out another pick 2 for a bunch of mediocre picks theres gonna be a riot

It won’t be pick 2, more likely a pick outside the top ten.

 

[loki04]

Riots generally involve more than one.

Think he would find heavy support.

GWS wouldn't be able to believe their luck, had multiple offers to trade it but and I quote: "they find it very hard to contemplate trading such a good pick"!

Pick 2 for pick 24 and 30. If someone tried to suggest that on here you'd laugh him out the thread calling him a BF nuffie and point out BF always good for a laugh.