List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[soreplums]

If we cant land Davies I’d take him on the cheap. An upgrade on what we have.

Package him in a salary dump with Bailey Smith

 

[Scodog10]

Anyone know anything about Riley Bice, could he be a good noble replacement? Apparently killed it for Werribee this year

Don’t know much about him, but from what I have seen he’s got a bit going for him if we chose to bring him in.

 

[Apex36]

The draft is next June. He will be waiting at least til then.

Doubt it. More likely he’ll play out the college season and then get an indication of his likelihood to be drafted. If it’s slim to none he’ll probably be headed back to Aus straight away.

 

[celestial]

Does Peter wright from essendon have good marking skills? If so I wouldn't mind trying to turn him into an intercept defender.

 

[3rdMan]

I agree. We've just got to try to improve at evaluating trades, drafting, salary cap. But we can't expect accuracy.Not saying there's issues but all clubs need to. The reality though is footy metrics aren't accurate enough yet,so vibe might still be the most accurate way of predicting and valuing. They'll gradually be getting better at judging which metrics matter, but it's not long ago that what Grundy offered was considered invaluable, but there's more of a scoring focus to metrics now and all those hitouts and sloppy clearances he gets have been devalued.

And in trades, as supporters we've got to stop valuing trades against previous trades and prices had, as the market will be continuing changing as they all get better at analysing value.

There are objective or near objective measures. Running power, tackling, pressure efforts, etc. We've clearly been using these heavily (others might be clean handling, kicking errors, marking contests halved...). As a first level, you rank those against the pillars of your game plan. The most important become near essential and only overidden by extreme talent or desperate need. After that it gets more subjective.

The types of player that best fit your system are quite easy to identify. The last couple of years it's clear we've been targeting players with pace and aerobic capacity - sure there's more to it than that, but those attributes seem clear. The subjectivity comes in when you have to look at secondary attributes, either because players are close on the first level, the ideal type isn't available or there are players available that are considerably better in other areas.

 

[Markfs]

Like Ash Johnson, Charlie Dean, John Noble, Josh Carmichael, and Brody Mihocek you mean?

yeh ...well you won that one molly. Our recruiters are doing a great job...2026 is going to be exhilarating

 

[Markfs]

I think Cat's have a competitive advantage in recruiting and/or development over the entire league. Like I've said I don't know why they have it outside of the Geelong network and country Vic advantage.

In terms of Dekka, he's been head of recruiting whilst we've recruited two very different premiership teams. That alone suggests he's run an effective team. But in such a competitive industry with a quick staff turnover to have survived so many changes in our hierarchy and football department speaks a lot about how respected he is by footy department specialists.

And whilst I think the Cats have had a more effective recruitment team, I don't subscribe to the theory that you're either the very best or a dud. Gary Albert or a spud. We've also had an effective recruiting team and have consistently overachieved within the league during Dekkas time, which is difficult to do consistently as you get a draft handicap the more successful you are.

There will never be another gary albert...

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Wouldn't mind a crack at Jack Macrae who was an elite midfielder until Bulldogs acquired Treloar. Plays very similar to Treloar costs half the price can get a clearance. Starting as sub constantly would be a walk up start in our midfield.

Exactly what our midfield needs, less leg speed.

 

[upnsmoke]

Cats have great culture, which Swans can match. Pies are not too far behind. Notice how clean cut most Cats and Swans players are. Pies have mostly clean cut players but a few are rebel-like personalities like De Goey, McCreery with all their tattoos and off field interests. But Pies are up there with culture.

With that said, Pies need to join Cats and Swans at their tier. Would mean finals appearance at 80% rate

 

[3rdMan]

Cats have great culture, which Swans can match. Pies are not too far behind. Notice how clean cut most Cats and Swans players are. Pies have mostly clean cut players but a few are rebel-like personalities like De Goey, McCreery with all their tattoos and off field interests. But Pies are up there with culture.

With that said, Pies need to join Cats and Swans at their tier. Would mean finals appearance at 80% rate

It's not possible to match the Swans with the Academy advantage. Cats similarly have some natural advantages. We've objectively performed very well with our recruiting and development, that's despite some missteps via trade and salary cap.

 

[magpies42]

If we're fair dinkum about a flag tilt next year we can't rely on a Dean or Frampton.

I know we won't find an elite Weitering, Andrews, Taylor, Stewart, etc type, but it's already frustrating me to no end that it looks like Nick Haynes is going to walk to Carlton as a UFA.

I don’t think our key backs or even our key forwards are our biggest weakness, assuming we have them fit, it’s the age and quality through our midfield.

Im happy with Moore, Frampton, Dean, Howe, Eyre. I’m happy with our small backs as well. Cameron dropping back is elite.

Forward of the ball our smalls get it done, and I’m fine with a McStay and Mihocek combo. Cox is ok.

We rely too heavily on Pendles, Sidey and Mitchell…whilst I think they have a lot of value, they can not carry a load during the season. They should be kept on ice until finals. An elite midfielder, inside and/or outside is what we sorely need more than anything.

 

[magpies42]

well as president of the derek hine fanclub, how do you explain geelong's competitive advantage?

They also have a genuine home ground advantage, there is benefit not being Collingwood as well. Stengel gets done for ODing the media drop it. If it was a Collingwood player we’d be screwed.

 

[JLC]

Dogs want a 1st rounder in this draft. Cats will offer their current 1st and maybe their F1. It'll get done. Maybe their current 1st and two seconds.
He is locked into Geelong.

They also have a genuine home ground advantage, there is benefit not being Collingwood as well. Stengel gets done for ODing the media drop it. If it was a Collingwood player we’d be screwed.

If we ever become Geelong like, you can almost guarantee rules around trading etc would be changed.

Geelong hold firm on a guy wanting to return home to be with family (Tim Kelly) - tick

Geelong want a guy to return home - tick

Jack Bowes salary dump - tick

Tyson Stengle - night club incident. All good. - tick

In terms of recruits for the midfield, I would be going for Macrae either as a salary cap dump with a second rounder coming out way or if the Bulldogs take on his salary then maybe we give them a third rounder in return. He clearly is in Bevos bad books - has to leave. Alternative maybe Ollie Wines.

 

[odoyle_rules]

Stop macrae talk now! Slow, old - exactly what we DON’T need


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[Anzacday]

It's not possible to match the Swans with the Academy advantage

Maybe now however, they’ve been a good club for a long time.
Brought in players from other clubs and turned them into good players/team.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

In terms of recruits for the midfield, I would be going for Macrae either as a salary cap dump with a second rounder coming out way or if the Bulldogs take on his salary then maybe we give them a third rounder in return. He clearly is in Bevos bad books - has to leave.

Don't mind Macrae. He would be an upgrade on Sullivan and Long in the midfield. So tick.
But you would be stuck with him for a few years on big coin. So I'm not sold on him.

Positives
Has got big possession numbers at one stage he had the most posessions in a season. (at least he use to before he lost his spot)
Big body
Bit outside but can win contested ball as well. Similar to Pendlebury

Negatives
30 years old
Big contract
3 years to go??
His numbers keep going down year after year so maybe they will continue to do so.

If we could reduce his pay Grundy style to 400K a year then I would be on board. But there are no guarantees that his 30 year old body holds up and if we had to pay his big contract it would not be worth it in my eyes. Unless we got the Dogs 1st rounder.
I would prefer we try and pay off Grundys contract instead.

 

[barrackers]

If we're fair dinkum about a flag tilt next year we can't rely on a Dean or Frampton.

I know we won't find an elite Weitering, Andrews, Taylor, Stewart, etc type, but it's already frustrating me to no end that it looks like Nick Haynes is going to walk to Carlton as a UFA.

With Barass and Battle nominating the hawks I’d be seeing if we can shake on if their existing defenders out. I see the hawks have made reassurances to Frost.

 

[upnsmoke]

It's not possible to match the Swans with the Academy advantage. Cats similarly have some natural advantages. We've objectively performed very well with our recruiting and development, that's despite some missteps via trade and salary cap.

Yes agreed. Hence I rank Pies as just behind those two teams in regards to franchise development. Then behind Pies would be daylight then comes Port Adelaide, Dogs, Hawks.

Carlton is at the bottom. So many number 1 picks and top 10 picks and rarely made top 8 in 20 years. But they look good the last couple of years. Culture development is long term though.

 

[Scodog10]

With Barass and Battle nominating the hawks I’d be seeing if we can shake on if their existing defenders out. I see the hawks have made reassurances to Frost.

The beauty in what Hawthorn has done and is doing is that there is no one to shake loose. They’ll move on from Frost next year, but that’s because he’s a limited player and being upgraded in a big way by the other two. It’s much the same rationale we’d be using with Keane over Frampton. The key difference is in the relative cap situations with Hawthorn’s close to league best.

The one I’d be throwing stupid money at so 6 years at $800k minimum is MacDonald. If they’re investing $2m in Barrass and Battle over the next 5 years some healthy deals will tip guys out and that kid can play!

 

[SchuPie]

I don’t think our key backs or even our key forwards are our biggest weakness, assuming we have them fit, it’s the age and quality through our midfield.

Agree w nearly all your points

Instead of trading out of 2024, we needed to be finding ways of trading into it to get these young talented players

 

[BradE]

Here’s my idea:

1- Trade Noble and 3rd round for Davies and 20
2- Trade Richards for future 2nd and Clurey
3- Trade 4th round for Stringer
4- Trade future 1st for 1st this year

End up with Stringer, Davies and Clurey for now but look after the future with 1st round pick, pick 20 and pick 32 this year and 2x 2nd round for next year (McGuane).

Stringer would combine well with de Goey- sharing mid/fwd.
Clurey is 30 but gives time to develop younger talls and could play the Murphy role well.
Davies gives inside mid and is young.

 

[JLC]

Don't mind Macrae. He would be an upgrade on Sullivan and Long in the midfield. So tick.
But you would be stuck with him for a few years on big coin. So I'm not sold on him.

Positives
Has got big possession numbers at one stage he had the most posessions in a season. (at least he use to before he lost his spot)
Big body
Bit outside but can win contested ball as well. Similar to Pendlebury

Negatives
30 years old
Big contract
3 years to go??
His numbers keep going down year after year so maybe they will continue to do so.

If we could reduce his pay Grundy style to 400K a year then I would be on board. But there are no guarantees that his 30 year old body holds up and if we had to pay his big contract it would not be worth it in my eyes. Unless we got the Dogs 1st rounder.
I would prefer we try and pay off Grundys contract instead.

Macrae had a.pretty light year this season (Daniel or him were the sub more often than not). He was surplus for the most part for Bevos on the run mini rebuild.

The numbers go down because he is out of favour with Bevo? Maybe Bevo is proven correct as they played finals but Macrae is a gun when on song.

Dogs will be desperate to get him off their books. Not sure your sub player, can be such a highly paid player lol

He will leave the Dogs, I just hope it's to us and not Geelong.

 

[Scodog10]

Here’s my idea:

1- Trade Noble and 3rd round for Davies and 20
2- Trade Richards for future 2nd and Clurey
3- Trade 4th round for Stringer
4- Trade future 1st for 1st this year

End up with Stringer, Davies and Clurey for now but look after the future with 1st round pick, pick 20 and pick 32 this year and 2x 2nd round for next year (McGuane).

Stringer would combine well with de Goey- sharing mid/fwd.
Clurey is 30 but gives time to develop younger talls and could play the Murphy role well.
Davies gives inside mid and is young.

Howdy Tom congrats on a 12 year career at the top level!

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Here’s my idea:

1- Trade Noble and 3rd round for Davies and 20
2- Trade Richards for future 2nd and Clurey
3- Trade 4th round for Stringer
4- Trade future 1st for 1st this year

End up with Stringer, Davies and Clurey for now but look after the future with 1st round pick, pick 20 and pick 32 this year and 2x 2nd round for next year (McGuane).

Stringer would combine well with de Goey- sharing mid/fwd.
Clurey is 30 but gives time to develop younger talls and could play the Murphy role well.
Davies gives inside mid and is young.

No one is entertaining any of those trades.

 

[partypie]

The bloke has said he's staying at Port yet people are still throwing up make believe trades.

Another straight sets finals exit may end up changing the mood on both sides of the fence down at Alberton...