List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016 Part 4 - The Final Day: Sailing into the abyss ...

[Snoop Dog]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

 

[Lethal06]

Sorry Marley Williams is no Heath Shaw apart from the occasional eerily similar brain snaps. I was told that I had undeniable talent as a guitar player, I let it go to my head and spent ten years drinking and pretending I was going to make it without doing the work to polish my skills. As a result that undeniable talent never materialised into anything but playing in very minor leagues. The world is full of potential. A third rounder for Marley is speculative at best. Would take a very brave list manager

On talent Marley is worth a 2nd rounder IMO (I see him as having most X-factor of those that we've had on the trade table) but then that would have to be discounted for the risk that comes with him. 3rd-rounder probably fair but in this climate, 4th-rounder more likely. A bargain at that price.

 

[DERKADERRR]

He's out of contract and played VFL all year. What did you expect?

He played really damn well in the VFL and if it wasn't for Grundy having a ridiculously good year he would have been in the firsts. I obviously expected more than what we've received.

 

[Embleberry]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

Yeah I'm not happy with it, hopefully we can use it them to move up the order....

 

[Ulahoopski]

FWIW, I would like to see Marley stay and let him run further up the ground, from memory he started as a forward, could go OK in the Blair type role. If there are serious off field issues then let him go but at the moment it sounds like a lot of speculation without much substance.

Agree completely. The criticism he's gotten from supporters this year has been over the top. Short memory syndrome when you consider his 2015 season.

 

[BEEG]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

Gubby would have got GWS a 2nd round pick for Witts.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Good trade with Witts, very fair value. Nice start to the day

 

[TradeDraft]

Dekka said they're meeting with GWS first up and Demons list management said Dunn will get done (heh) after our first bit of business. I'd be shocked if WHE isn't a Pie by 11am.

Hope you are Right

 

[unplugged]

Unlike Hine to take 44 instead of 43!

 

[wicksy]

Hope you are Right

He's lying Dave... We both know the Pies don't trade until after 5pm.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

A little unders for Witts I would have thought.

People will say "But he was only playing in the VFL!"

Yeeeeeah, because the AFL side had arguably the in form ruckman of the competition playing ahead of him? Witts would have been playing seniors in at least 10 other sides this season.

 

[Babylove]

Which element of his assessment was inaccurate? Wallace deserves the flak he cops more often than not, but his comments on Collingwood yesterday were quite reasonable, IMO.

It wasn't a balanced assessment. There was no consideration to injuries or age. It really sounded more a headline summary rather than an in depth analysis. When you compare it to Gay Buckanara or Chris Pelchan's analysis there is a severe lack of quality. He sounded more like a Barrett mouthpiece than a list expert.

 

[Stoods]

44 for WHE now? or we will go down the 2017 path so we have points this year?

 

[jmac70]

IMO, Witts is grossly overrated by some on this board. Was given plenty of chances to cement a place in the 22 and constantly disappointed. Decent with his tap work but cant mark and has no aggression.

 

[TW Sherrin]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

if you judge the return on investment, it is terrible. 6 years in the system?

 

[PieBeast]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

Cam Wood to us for pick 14...

 

[unplugged]

16 trades now done I'm fairly sure. 34 last year by COB.

 

[jmac70]

Gubby would have got GWS a 2nd round pick for Witts.

Disagree with that.

 

[Hardas]

Poor Maggie5 she might need a Hug

 

[unplugged]

44 for WHE now? or we will go down the 2017 path so we have points this year?

47 or better yet, 62.

 

[jmac70]

if you judge the return on investment, it is terrible. 6 years in the system?

We got Witts for nothing, so we have actually finished in front.

 

[swiftdog]

1 down, 6 to go.

I don't mind the deal. Just racking up some points for Brown and Daicos.


Could a three-way deal be done for Williams and Dunn?

Coll lose: Williams
Coll gain: Dunn

Melb lose: Dunn
Melb gain: #87 or #105

NM lose: #87 or #105
NM gain: Williams


North make out like bandits in this scenario IMO. Probably neither here nor there for Collingwood and Melbourne given that Williams and Dunn both seem on the outer at their respective clubs.

 

[DaVe86]

I'm disappointed in the Witts deal. I was hoping that we could upgrade our 2nd round pick (although that may still happen in the Frost deal).

 

[jdpie]

We got absolutely dealt on this Witts trade. Two examples;

Shaun Hampson Carlton to Richmond for pick 32
Billy Longer to St Kilda for effectively pick 22 (and played 4 senior games that year also roughly same age as Witts)

Not your best Pies

Possibly more an indictment on the Tiges and the Saints ? This year the value of a current player against picks has skewed the opposite direction. In the most broad terms we have turned a NSW Scholarship player into the picks that get us sons of guns. In another 3 years Witts could be lauded as the Golden Goose ?

 

[Apex36]

Traded Witts out Apex36

Yes I know Dave. That wasn't a typo in my post.