Collingwood - us v them campaign

[Mr Meeseeks]

So let me get this straight. Unless you win the flag, your season is not successful. Thats like saying in 2008 and 2010 Geelong were rubbish, or in 2011 West Coast were rubbish.

Unsuccessful /= Rubbish

 

[Falchoon]

but the main reason for a salary cap and draft is to stop a club like Collingwood becoming too much like a MU.

lol

The main reason for the salary cap and draft (1987) was to stop the likes of Collingwood (1983-1986) trading themselves into oblivion.

 

[MarkT2]

Reads as superior tp me.... What odd way to make a point...

Yes, marginally superior to a club regarded as having failed to achieve much at all.

 

[MarkT2]

lol

The main reason for the salary cap and draft (1987) was to stop the likes of Collingwood (1983-1986) trading themselves into oblivion.

No the reason for the removal of transfer fees was to stop the likes of Collingwood & Richmond suiciding. The draft does not exist for financial reasons as such. It exists to allocate talent regardles of merit and contrary to capacity to pay. The slary cap has a dual purpose in limiting costs as well as evenning out talent spread. I'd argue it fails in the former because it sets salaries regardles of capacity but that's another story.

Point is, equalisation is about handcuffs more than anything else. Fear of EFL scenario which is somewhat odd for such a financially driven organisation.

 

[MarkT2]

Your already calling Collingwood a Manchester United after just 2 good years?

No.

Plus you can have all the money and memberships you like but at the end of the day its about winning premierships, something that your club has done just twice in 50 years.

Yes.

Football works in cycles and as soon as your club got your chance to be a 'Geelong' or a 'Brisbane' they absolutely stuffed it.

There's a lot of footy left in a lot of Collingwood premiership players so that remains to be seen. As it stand they are exactly on Geelongs track of 07 & 08 so having had that chance they have taken it.

Here is Mcguire thinking he can do whatever he likes from sacking a premiership coach to employing spuds just because his club is one of the top teams right now. Well have fun next year buddy, because your so called 'long-stint' won't be lasting as long as what you'd hope for.

I am 100% positive it won't last as long as I hope, nor will I live as long as I hope and nor will my wine collection breed and self multiply but I am somewhat confident of having a good red or two over the next few years and watching Collingwood win a few games. As for Eddie, well he'll be doing much the same.

 

[Falchoon]

There's a lot of footy left in a lot of Collingwood premiership players so that remains to be seen. As it stand they are exactly on Geelongs track of 07 & 08 so having had that chance they have taken it.

& or Essendon of 00 & 01.

Though Collingwood are close to a year older on average than Essendon of 2001.

 

[JonoNash]

& or Essendon of 00 & 01.

Though Collingwood are close to a year older on average than Essendon of 2001.

Collingwood's premiership 22 was the youngest on average since Hawthorn's in 1978. You know how they fared after that.

As far as lists go, only 5 clubs have a younger list than Collingwood right now.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

The ump on the "other side" in the pic has just been arrested as a double agent....

 

[grizzlym]

Let's get back onto the topic: Collingwood - us v them campaign

 

[grizzlym]

Keep it on topic.

 

[E Shed]

Every club has bogan supporters, the Collingwood minority are just exceptionally stupid. No club should be judged by the action of a minority of their supporters.

I hate to admit it, while the minority of Collingwood morons are horrible to be around at the footy, they are a significant minority. Go to a game against Carlton or Essendon and person for person I would much rather be stuck next to an average Collingwood supporter than the mouthbreathers that fill the ranks of the other two of the big three.

Carlton were by far the worst of the teams that visited Subi this year. Repulsive drunken bogans. Deeply disrespectful and offensive.

 

[SA1NTER]

Carlton were by far the worst of the teams that visited Subi this year. Repulsive drunken bogans. Deeply disrespectful and offensive.

It's how they roll.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'd rate Hawthorn as more successful over Carlton and Collingwood, look at the past 29 years. Hawthorn have won 6 premierships and the blues and magpies have won just 2 each.

29 years seems like a nice round figure to start at doesn't it? Coincidentally, and not at all arbitrarily, it just happens to capture the 1983 premiership, but if you went back just more more seasons, Carlton jump from 2 to 5. Curse your logic and reasoning.

Plus I wouldn't say that the reason why people prefer the cats to win it over you's, is because of the number of premierships that you's have won in a 4 team comp against Fitzroy and Footscray but rather because supporters like you think that that you are the 'Powerhouse' and 'dominant' clubs of the modern era.

You really aren't sure how to make a point are you? You don't have to embellish the truth when the last part of the sentence is all you were really trying to say.

For example, the amount of teams competing in Carlton flag years are:

8, 8, 10, 10, 8, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 14, 16.

Carlton supporters are generally accepting that we have fallen off the pace in a lot of places, but we also recognise that we are on the way back, and that our crowds are extremely competitive, if not better than most teams.

I don't think many supporters proclaim Carlton to be a powerhouse of the modern era as such. We do recognise that traditionally we have been a powerhouse and that we have the supporter base to become one again.

 

[raskolnikov]

Essendon cop it just as badly.

In the 2001 Grand Final everybody in Melbourne, if you weren't an Essendon supporter, were barracking for Brisbane.

Walking back home in my Essendon gear after we lost the grand final I had at least three people wind down their car windows and yell out abuse. Everybody at work was in raptures that Essendon had lost.

It happens to Carlton too. In fact I would much rather Collingwood win next year then Carlton. So would a lot of people I know.

So cry me a river Pies supporters. You're not special.

 

[MarkT2]

& or Essendon of 00 & 01.

And quite probably others but the direct comparrison made was with Geelong and as I indicated, there is no inferior performance as of now.

If you do want to continue the Essendon analogy though, they were beaten by a young team on the rise while Collingwood were beaten by an old team who have already had some important retirements.

Though Collingwood are close to a year older on average than Essendon of 2001.

Which Collingwood? The current list? The 2010 list that included over 1000 games of experiance that was moved on and none of which played in the premiership?

 

[KennyHunter9]

Carlton were by far the worst of the teams that visited Subi this year. Repulsive drunken bogans. Deeply disrespectful and offensive.

Mmm, interesting.

I guess you can discern the repulsive, drunken WA bogans that are deeply disrespectful and offensive, and who barrack for Carlton from the other 40,000 repulsive, drunken WA bogans that are deeply disrespectful and offensive because the Carlton ones wore navy blue. This is WA, not Carlton.

 

[Final Siren]

The "us vs everyone" mentality at Collingwood is why I dislike them.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

It's just the way you go about it.

Geelong are seen by the public as humble for the most part whereas Collingwood and Eddie were very arrogant. People just want some graciousness, something Collingwood dosen't really have compared to Geelong.

 

[Falchoon]

And quite probably others but the direct comparrison made was with Geelong and as I indicated, there is no inferior performance as of now.

If you do want to continue the Essendon analogy though, they were beaten by a young team on the rise while Collingwood were beaten by an old team who have already had some important retirements.

Essendon were beaten by an older team, much like Collingwood

Which Collingwood? The current list? The 2010 list that included over 1000 games of experiance that was moved on and none of which played in the premiership?

Apples with apples ie the 2001 losing GF team v the 2011 losing GF team

 

[E Shed]

Mmm, interesting.

I guess you can discern the repulsive, drunken WA bogans that are deeply disrespectful and offensive, and who barrack for Carlton from the other 40,000 repulsive, drunken WA bogans that are deeply disrespectful and offensive because the Carlton ones wore navy blue. This is WA, not Carlton.

Yes it's a generalisation but in all my years of going to Freo games at Subi I've never been surrounded by such a drunken, loud, offensive (swearing, abusing Freo family members) group of yobs.
Mostly the visitors that sit in our section are respectful as we are an older group of members with whole families who enjoy our footy and a bit of banter with the visitors.
For some reason we just got a real bad mob from Carlton this year and I'm still a bit angry about it, hence my vent here.

 

[raskolnikov]

An embarrassment?!?! Really, is it an embarrassment to seek truth and justice and unity and sovereignty in our world.

Surely you jest.

What the slogan Us v Them has thrown up is the idea of what it means to support your team???

No one minds people going to the football and saying come on Hawthorn, or come on North..

But when they make derogatory remarks over other teams or other supporters or other players..

that crosses the line..significantly

Supporters should concerntrate on the good of your own team and not the bad of the other team!

And as all Australians know, vilification - whether of race, creed, colour, someone's mother, or another - is not to be accepted in sporting crowds, workplaces, public transport, shopping centres, everyday life in general, and from certain politicians and former captains of industry or our media.

Football is an aesthetic display that can be admired by all but it’s also a violent contest and those two words don’t always sit comfortably next to ‘family outing’.

Trying to ensure that your supporters’ passion for the team doesn’t include expressing contempt for the opposing one, is a delicate operation.

I find the best arbiters of decent manners are children. If they turn around, in response to anything you shout, with an apprehensive expression, you know that you’ve gone too far.

Some people forget themselves in the excitement and tension of game day. Others are energised by the anarchy of it all and the relative freedom to express hateful opinions. It’s hard to believe though that mature looking adults decked out in their team’s colourful outfits are capable of vilifying anyone.

Supporters represent all socio-economic groups: the unemployed, the inner-city professionals, the comfortable outer suburbanites, the less well-off from the far-flung estates; and every personality type and behavioural trait.

If you add personal problems, alcohol and assorted lunatics to this human casserole things are bound to get over spiced.

Both Etihad and the MCG urge patrons to text a central security desk if they witness antisocial behaviour.

Over recent years the AFL has cleaned up the game, removing bash artists, sledgers and language no longer deemed appropriate. It's time to do it off the field too.

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

 

[raskolnikov]

That is why it is so important for all Collingwood fans to stick together, under the banner of Us v Them.

I think most Collingwood supporters would run a mile from you, even the bogan unemployed ones with no teeth.

Honestly, get over it. A lot of club's supporters have a certain stereotype associated with them.

If you're going to get so worked up about what another club's supporters think of you maybe footy isn't your thing.

 

[TheOldXav]

Essendon cop it just as badly.

In the 2001 Grand Final everybody in Melbourne, if you weren't an Essendon supporter, were barracking for Brisbane.

Essendon were last relevant about 10 years ago. Apart from Carlton & Hawthorn, no one really cares for that club anymore.

Hawthorn are more interested with Geelong as it is.

 

[Gough]

I'm not sure the campaign does the game of football any good. I lived in England for a long time and talking to their football fans, they were amazed that you could go to a game here, sit with your mates, regardless of whom they support, have a few (insipid) beers and generally enjoy yourselves.
In recent years I'm not so sure that is true. While it's nowhere near as bad as some of the violence we have seen in the past in England, my reading of the game is that there is an unpleasant element entering it.
I'm not convinced that advertising campaigns like this do anything to discourage that sort of thing.

 

[Testekill]

So essentially this song sums up Blessed perfectly

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