Collingwood vs. Carlton

[Franc de Borges]

I know I'm only making it worse by adding to it, but how is this thread still going?

 

[Kramer1]

Hahaha, you want some fries with your fail?


Only nubs use Footywire for stats.

*I read the rebound 50s wrong the first time though, my mistake. But they are equal anyway which continues to make your claim of Davis being exclusively a forward pocket all the more idiotic.

Pro Stats is for lazy people who don't particularly care for accuracy.

If you use the stats available on the AFL homepage -

Kade Simpson, 22 regular season games, 83 I50's (3.77/game), 19 assists
Leon Davis, 20 regular season games, 70 I50's (3.5/game), 11 assists.

Pretty sure an extra inside 50 every four games underlines Simpson's status as a considerably better player.

Fight the good fight Absfab.

 

[The Big League]

Pretty sure an extra inside 50 every four games underlines Simpson's status as a considerably better player.

Fight the good fight Absfab.

That is the most ridiculous assessment I have ever read.

good-day.

 

[Ron]

Yeah, because you are solely judged from one game.
That Collingwood game was just about our worst game for the year - maybe against Essendon when they smashed us after half time.

Well get used to it.
By the end of this year you'll be looking back on that game with fond memories, wondering if your team of spuds will ever be able to reach that mediocre level again.

 

[Nardz]

Pro Stats is for lazy people who don't particularly care for accuracy.

If you use the stats available on the AFL homepage -

Kade Simpson, 22 regular season games, 83 I50's (3.77/game), 19 assists
Leon Davis, 20 regular season games, 70 I50's (3.5/game), 11 assists.

Pretty sure an extra inside 50 every four games underlines Simpson's status as a considerably better player.

Fight the good fight Absfab.

lol if you seriously think simpson is a better player than davis. just lol.

 

[absfab]

Hahaha, you want some fries with your fail?
Only nubs use Footywire for stats.

*I read the rebound 50s wrong the first time though, my mistake. But they are equal anyway which continues to make your claim of Davis being exclusively a forward pocket all the more idiotic.

Once again it requires only a few moments to expose Invigoration at the first check.

Collingwood's very own website credits Davis with 70 Inside 50s in 20 games. The quick brains among us quickly calculate that this = 3.5 per.

I wonder how it is that your supposedly superior information manages to be 15% higher than your Club's Official data?

There are several possibilities, but none of them do you credit.

 

[Kramer1]

That is the most ridiculous assessment I have ever read.

good-day.

Sarcasm detector may need a little re-callibrating there tiger.

 

[Sin City]

lol if you seriously think simpson is a better player than davis. just lol.

Davis is very over rated by Collingwood fans. Not much more than a solid depth midfielder.

 

[Nardz]

Davis is very over rated by Collingwood fans. Not much more than a solid depth midfielder.

rated highly enough to earn a spot in the all australian team.

 

[Sin City]

rated highly enough to earn a spot in the all australian team.

Congratulations.

Yes, very over rated. People like Nick Maxwell and Trent Croad have also been in the AA team. He looks good because he's flashy and is able to contribute a bit in the midfield, that's about it.

 

[Nardz]

Congratulations.

Yes, very over rated. People like Nick Maxwell and Trent Croad have also been in the AA team. He looks good because he's flashy and is able to contribute a bit in the midfield, that's about it.

two players you would kill to have in your defense (yes - even with croad's dodgy foot.)

 

[Blue and Silver]

rated highly enough to earn a spot in the all australian team.

As a forward. Not to mention the AA selection committee makes many questionable decisions. No Le Cras last year, Mooney in 07', Swan as a forward are just a few to name. IMHO Le Cras should of taken Davis' place last year, much better performance throughout and can play in the midfield at a higher capacity than Davis.

 

[Vendrell]

Collingwood has the better defence, forward line and midfield.

Carlton's list is better in all other areas.

Made me LOL.

 

[absfab]

lol if you seriously think simpson is a better player than davis. just lol.

I was resisting the urge to believe you even though "LOL" really shook my confidence right from the get go. I think it was the killer blow of "just LOL" that nailed me. And then the three smileys sent me over the horizon with my tail between my legs.

Now who would I rather have?

• I can have the guy whose own supporters want to tear him apart when he oh so predictably goes missing whenever the going gets tough (even Daisy shows more heart), or I can have Simpson who to the best of my observation has never given less than 100%.
• Do I take Simpson who creates a goal 1 in 4 times he makes an Inside 50, or the other guy who manages 1 in 6?
• Do I take Simmo's calm, safe use of the ball, or the other guy who makes nearly double the skill errors?
• Do I take Simpson's pride in always choosing the team option, or would I be better off with the glory hound who is in love with the flashy selfish option?

Yeah. No comparison. Simpson is an honest, adequate second string mid. Davis fails to reach those heights, nor will he ever. Small forward with delusions of grandeur.

 

[Sin City]

two players you would kill to have in your defense (yes - even with croad's dodgy foot.)

So if I want to know which players I would kill to have in my team I should ask you?

Two soft pretenders IMO, never rated either of them.

 

[Nardz]

I was resisting the urge to believe you even though "LOL" really shook my confidence right from the get go. I think it was the killer blow of "just LOL" that nailed me. And then the three smileys sent me over the horizon with my tail between my legs.

Now who would I rather have?

• I can have the guy whose own supporters want to tear him apart when he oh so predictably goes missing whenever the going gets tough (even Daisy shows more heart), or I can have Simpson who to the best of my observation has never given less than 100%.

our own supporters tore him apart last year because he had a poor finals series - he has previously performed on the big stage however.. not much we can say about simpson in that regard - being a carlton player he hasnt had much chance to prove himself on that stage of late.

• Do I take Simpson who creates a goal 1 in 4 times he makes an Inside 50, or the other guy who manages 1 in 6?

• Do I take Simmo's calm, safe use of the ball, or the other guy who makes nearly double the skill errors?

• i dont see any stat on any website that says anything about how many of a players inside 50s result in goals? i do see goal assists - but to make an assumption a goal assist was also an inside 50 - well that is very simplistic even for you.
  
  you do however choose to ignore the "goals contributed" stat - conviently i might add - as davis has better numbers in this stat - that would also pretty much cancel out your "glory hound" assumption

• Do I take Simpson's pride in always choosing the team option, or would I be better off with the glory hound who is in love with the flashy selfish option?Yeah. No comparison. Simpson is an honest, adequate second string mid. Davis fails to reach those heights, nor will he ever. Small forward with delusions of grandeur.

 

[medhurstISGOD]

Do I take Simmo's calm, safe use of the ball, or the other guy who makes nearly double the skill errors?

Do I take Simpson's pride in always choosing the team option, or would I be better off with the glory hound who is in love with the flashy selfish option?

Do you like incredible, team lifting goals?

 

[absfab]

i dont see any stat on any website that says anything about how many of a players inside 50s result in goals? i do see goal assists - but to make an assumption a goal assist was also an inside 50 - well that is very simplistic even for you

No, you won't see such a stat, however it is a safe assumption that a genuine midfielder is going to put together the majority of his GAs with inside 50s. Particularly with the style Carlton played with Fevola. So 1 in 6 actually flatters Davis who will have had a decent proportion of his (modest number of) GAs in the forward line. Which of course leads us to wonder if his I50s had much value at all.

you do however choose to ignore the "goals contributed" stat - conviently i might add - as davis has better numbers in this stat - that would also pretty much cancel out your "glory hound" assumption

Conveniently?

If a bloke who spends as much time in the forward line as Davis does didn't have the edge over a midfielder on that stat you'd be asking questions. Eddie Betts is way ahead of both in GC - which is also irrelevant but I thought I'd chuck it in the pot anyway.

 

[Nardz]

No, you won't see such a stat, however it is a safe assumption that a genuine midfielder is not going to put together the majority of his GAs with inside 50s. Particularly with the style Carlton played with Fevola. So 1 in 6 actually flatters Davis who will have had a decent proportion of his (modest number of) GAs in the forward line. Which of course leads us to wonder if his I50s had much value at all.




Conveniently?

If a bloke who spends as much time in the forward line as Davis does didn't have the edge over a midfielder on that stat you'd be asking questions. Eddie Betts is way ahead of both in GC - which is also irrelevant but I thought I'd chuck it in the pot anyway.

then you must often wonder how a player who spends so much time in the forward line still manages to pretty much find as much of the ball as your midfielder?

 

[absfab]

Do you like incredible, team lifting goals?

Supporters like them.

The team mate who'd dug deep and worked hard to present a high percentage option may not be so uplifted though. And he's likely to be downright pissed in the case of the incredible out on the full from an impossible angle alternative when he's got himself loose 15 metres out dead in front.

 

[absfab]

then you must often wonder how a player who spends so much time in the forward line still manages to pretty much find as much of the ball as your midfielder?

Not really. One team plays direct football, the other plays keepings off. Any comparison of possession rates with Collingwood is always distorted.

 

[Nardz]

Not really. One team plays direct football, the other plays keepings off. Any comparison of possession rates with Collingwood is always distorted.

looking forward to seeing how that works for you this year

 

[absfab]

looking forward to seeing how that works for you this year

Me too.

 

[Prem87]

Collingwood definitely has a better team. Mature, harder and better at contested footy.

Their midfield's I would rate on par.

Jolly Swan Ball Pendlebury Didak
Warnock Judd Murphy Gibbs McLean

 

[Sloth]

If a bloke who spends as much time in the forward line as Davis does didn't have the edge over a midfielder on that stat you'd be asking questions. Eddie Betts is way ahead of both in GC - which is also irrelevant but I thought I'd chuck it in the pot anyway.

Davis = AA. thanks for playing.