Collingwoods Bottom six

[jerry springer]

the sky is falling

 

[Hump 17]

Just under 20 possessions, 11 tackles, 10 clearances and a goal in a Grand Final, yeah... Average.

His direct opponent was close to BOG.

 

[frednirk]

Didak was laughable.

Reid was laughable. Beaten by Hawkins? AHAHHAHAHAHA
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[Reckoner Tiger]

The Pies bottom 6 are probably one of the best in the comp, but not as incredible as the media and their fans have been trumpeting about since last year. They're good players, part of a premiership side, but the hype has been ridiculous.

The really interesting thing to come out of the GF loss is team selection I feel. Malthouse and co., not being incompetent muppets must have looked at the side and seen a multitude of players underdone, sore or out of form.

Out of form (finals): Didak, Davis, Blair, Beams, Brown (admittedly played very well), to a lesser extent Thomas.

Underdone: Dawes.

Nursing injury: Jolly, Maxwell, Reid.

That is a lot of players with question marks to be taking into a Grand Final. It is true that you can't make drastic changes to a preliminary final side, however I feel the coaching staff could have done a lot more to try and change the almost inevitable outcome, rather than just selecting almost the exact same side (Beams probably would have been selected without his own confession of injury) and hoping they could get the job done.

 

[kevind]

The Pies bottom 6 are probably one of the best in the comp, but not as incredible as the media and their fans have been trumpeting about since last year. They're good players, part of a premiership side, but the hype has been ridiculous.

The really interesting thing to come out of the GF loss is team selection I feel. Malthouse and co., not being incompetent muppets must have looked at the side and seen a multitude of players underdone, sore or out of form.

Out of form (finals): Didak, Davis, Blair, Beams, Brown (admittedly played very well), to a lesser extent Thomas.

Underdone: Dawes.

Nursing injury: Jolly, Maxwell, Reid.

That is a lot of players with question marks to be taking into a Grand Final. It is true that you can't make drastic changes to a preliminary final side, however I feel the coaching staff could have done a lot more to try and change the almost inevitable outcome, rather than just selecting almost the exact same side (Beams probably would have been selected without his own confession of injury) and hoping they could get the job done.

Good to read an opposition supporter with a brain.

Most non-delusional Collingwood supporters realised early on in the week that this GF was going to be difficult to win for all the reasons that you stated.

I have a friend who didn't even watch the game as he figured out by Monday that there was no way we could win with the state of the team going into the GF. And it's not like we were playing a dud team such as we were in 2003. Geelong have one of the great teams of AFL/VFL history.

I think our coaching staff ( as you say,they are not muppets) realised this and would not be surprised at the result.

It's funny reading all the rubbish about us from Carlton, Hawthorn and StKilda fans. If we are that full of poor players, their teams must be absolute crap. What was it 6-0 for us against those sides this year? And aside from Hawthorn, none of them even got close to a GF.

 

[No SPIN]

Probably the same discussion about GEEL bottom 6 post losing GF,s and poor finals campaigns in 2010.

Let's see what the future tells us.

 

[Duskfire]

Probably the same discussion about GEEL bottom 6 post losing GF,s and poor finals campaigns in 2010.

Let's see what the future tells us.

Yup, exactly. Six weeks ago the flag was all but Collingwoods, and now everyone is questioning them. The fickle nature of a football suppoter I suppose.

The reality is the bottom six are the bottom six for a reason, and that they will play well when boosted up by other more senior players.

 

[Art Corvelay]

I don't think the blame lies with the bottom 6, rather, too many underdone players through injury or suspension at the wrong end of the season. Our form has been bad since the Brisbane game, and too many players were rushing to get touch back. I'm not too surprised at the result.

He's their problem now, so what would I be bitter about?

I am simply stating a fact. After all, Collingwood would've won today if their 'spiritual leader' in Ball wasn't such a dud, right?

He was injured during the second quarter, and clearly hampered after that. But keep with the Ball bashing, I'm sure it has nothing to do with sour grapes

I am enjoyed all these Saints supporters lining up to have a crack though. Keep living vicariously through Geelong's triumph.

 

[PieLebo87]

His direct opponent was close to BOG.

His direct opponent? Midfielders now have direct opponents?

 

[Sometimes]

A lot has been made of Collingwoods depth. As we saw toaday there bottom six is as bad as anyones. Dawes, Blair, Maxwell Brown Toovey and Wellingham were badly exposed today when the heat was on. Didak and Davis are both outside that 6 but again produced nothing.

Just goes to show that when your winning it doesn't matter how rubbish or bottom 6 are.

What about the Saints bottom sex???

 

[anshell]

A big Lol at all the St Kilda supporters running down Collingwood's bottom 6.Maybe they should look at their own backyard before they criticise others.

 

[damuzzdu]

Good to read an opposition supporter with a brain.

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It's funny reading all the rubbish about us from Carlton, Hawthorn and StKilda fans. If we are that full of poor players, their teams must be absolute crap. What was it 6-0 for us against those sides this year? And aside from Hawthorn, none of them even got close to a GF.

This

Even if our bottom 6 are total rubbish (and they not btw) then my god the other 14 or so teams below us must rank from pretty average garbage to just total utter crap.

Laughing at Saints fans starting this thread...

Like last Premiership pal - christ can't even think back that far

An as for a Melbourne fan (really a saints fan) hey sport when was even the last time yr crap team even won a final....i guess as you don't really want to look it up so i will for you......2006 we have won 9 since.

An a Carlton fan well there's joke - cheating team...what is now 16 years and counting hahaha since you last won flag. Keep counting...17 next year

Yeah we have a rubbishy bottom 6 only issue is that it was good enuf to win a flag last year and get into a GF and get beaten by one of the best teams in last 20 years.

Spare me any more crap like this - clearly the funny season has started already.

 

[HFF]

Nothing to do with our bottom six.

At the end of the day, we simply ran out of time to get the appropriate game time and form into the players who had missed large chunks of footy at the wrong time of the year and we subsequently have come up short.

That's footy, we played the hand we were dealt to the best of our abilities and in the end that's all she wrote.

 

[MisterMarcus]

A fair bit of trolling in this thread but there is some truth there. In the paper on Friday they ranked the 44 individual players from both teams, and I noticed the Pies were over-represented at the top, but also over-represented at the bottom, while our guys were clustered in the middle.

The Pies probably do rely a bit more on key individuals, and I did feel if we could shut down two or three key players that the others might struggle to step up. It kind of played out like that a bit.

 

[Justcruzin]

What about the Saints bottom sex???

 

[Spitta09]

Stkilda fans having a dig at collingwood's bottom 6 is truly laughable!
Particularly when their bottom 8-10 players are among the worst of any side in the comp.

 

[swiftdog]

A fair bit of trolling in this thread but there is some truth there. In the paper on Friday they ranked the 44 individual players from both teams, and I noticed the Pies were over-represented at the top, but also over-represented at the bottom, while our guys were clustered in the middle.

The Pies probably do rely a bit more on key individuals, and I did feel if we could shut down two or three key players that the others might struggle to step up. It kind of played out like that a bit.

We seemed to be able to rely on our bottom 6 a bit more last year. That could be due to the opposition we faced though. Of the 6 players mentioned in the op (Dawes, Blair, Brown, Wellingham, Maxwell and Toovey) you would think that 4 of them would have some level of improvement left in them. Brown's obviously gone and Maxwell won't get any better but there's no reason to think that the others won't get better though.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Just under 20 possessions, 11 tackles, 10 clearances and a goal in a Grand Final, yeah... Average.

You could have typed:

Just under 20 possessions, just under 13 tackles, just under 12 clearances and just under 3 goals in a Grand Final, yeah... Average.



Was well beaten.

 

[iDon]

play nice.

Discuss the topic and not the man.

 

[DO IT TO IT]

collingwoods bottom six isn't the problem, it's the top six

pendlebury, cloke, then squat

 

[PieLebo87]

You could have typed:

Just under 20 possessions, just under 13 tackles, just under 12 clearances and just under 3 goals in a Grand Final, yeah... Average.



Was well beaten.

18 possessions, whats your point?

Was NOT well beaten, get off it.

 

[clobba]

Stkilda fans having a dig at collingwood's bottom 6 is truly laughable!
Particularly when their bottom 8-10 players are among the worst of any side in the comp.

I dont feel any great need to gloat (though that said its pretty satisying just unfortunate that it mean Geelong won but I guess thats the lesser evil...) anyway back to the point, so your saying that their bottom 6 is beyond reproach...clearly ahead of all other "bottom 6's"?
Personally its been interesting watching the hot air blown up Pie arses to add to sales for the print media but its a fair call with all the **** blowing over their "depth" recently. Is it interesting?...not really but thems the breaks when you have a GF major fail.

You might learn the feeling when all that tanking comes good...**** you better hope it does or theres a lot of arse licking shame taken onboard for FA results so far, maybe you can be the new Carlton...you know the team thats going to be there "next" year

 

[tonkapies]

in a competition with 17, 18 teams, any club will struggle to field a team without it's deficiencies and potential liabilities.

calling a spade a spade; Blair was shocking today and will never be a good, let alone great player.
Dawes is basically a small step up from Leigh Brown; perhaps he should be taking over Brown's role next season.
Wellingham I have long thought it a tad overrated; still a decent player though and if he is the worst player in your squad you're not doing too badly.
Maxwell and Toovey are good defenders, no problem there.
Not sure what is going on with Didak's career, but he would be in their bottom 6 on form, despite his past glories.

I honestly believe Geelong's depth is as healthy as it has ever been; competition for positions in the 22 was fierce all year long, and the Cats were able to rest players throughout the season without ever looking like giving up a top 4 spot.

bullshit the cats have no more depth than any one else in the comp. The cats are premiers on the back of a injured ben reid not being able to go with the hawkins spud, and a drug up s johnson. The drug testers if serious should be knocking down that boys door non stop to get to the bottom of disaster. The best team of the year has been robbed by pure luck, and a drug cheat.

 

[tonkapies]

collingwoods bottom six isn't the problem, it's the top six

pendlebury, cloke, then squat

ever heard of winning with dignity. When the dust settles this cat premiership will recognised as the one they pinched of the pies. These type of flags are looked at with the same respect as the cats have for the hawks of 08 nothing special.. just a tad lucky at right time year.

 

[goodoldcats]

bullshit the cats have no more depth than any one else in the comp. The cats are premiers on the back of a injured ben reid not being able to go with the hawkins spud, and a drug up s johnson. The drug testers if serious should be knocking down that boys door non stop to get to the bottom of disaster. The best team of the year has been robbed by pure luck, and a drug cheat.

We beat you 3 times this year

Glad we could use collingwood as a speed bump on the way to another flag

enjoy the off season